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April 21st, 2009
09:41 AM ET

Ron Paul: Secession is American

CNN's Kiran Chetry speaks to Rep. Ron Paul about Texas' governor's secession suggestion.
CNN's Kiran Chetry speaks to Rep. Ron Paul about Texas' governor's secession suggestion.

For ten years, Texas was a sovereign territory before joining the United States in 1845. It’s the stuff of legends that the “Lone Star State” could end the ties with the U.S. if its constituents want it that way.

Texas Governor Rick Perry, who's been highly critical of President Obama's stimulus package, raised the possibility that his state may one day secede from the union.

“We’ve got a great union. There’s absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people - who knows what might come out of that,” Perry told reporters last week.

The governor isn't the only one suggesting secession is not out of the realm. Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), a former presidential candidate, spoke with Kiran Chetry on CNN’s American Morning Tuesday.

Kiran Chetry: How serious is this secession talk?

Ron Paul: I don't think it's very serious. I don't think anybody called for secession, and I don't think the governor called for it. But he brings up an important issue. The biggest surprise to me was the outrage expressed over an individual who thinks along these lines, because I heard people say, well, this is treasonous and this was un-American. But don't they remember how we came in to our being? We used secession, we seceded from England. So it’s a very good principle. It’s a principle of a free society. It’s a shame we don’t have it anymore. I argue that if you had the principle of secession, our federal government wouldn't be as intrusive into state affairs and to me that would be very good.

We as a nation have endorsed secession all along. Think of all of the secession of the countries and the republics from the Soviet system. We were delighted. We love it. And yet we get hysterical over this just because people want to debate and defend the principle of secession, that doesn't mean they’re calling for secession. I think it's that restraining element of secession that would keep the federal government from doing so much. In our early history, they accepted the principles of secession all along.

Chetry: You said it's very American to talk about secession. It’s how we came into being. 13 colonies seceeded from the British. Are you likening the current situation to life under King George?

Paul: I think a lot of people are thinking that way. And I think that's what's important. People are angry. If we don't sense that, we don't know what's actually going on there. People are angry. I'm anticipating it will get a lot worse. When the dollar collapses and the federal government can't fulfill any of its promises, what if they send you dollars and they don't work. People aren’t going to have a violent secession; they’re just going to ignore the federal government because they will be inept. We'll be bringing our troops home and our empire will end. That's a different story. I think it's something we should talk about but we should institutionalize this principle. New England wanted to secede. No one challenged New England that it was unconstitutional in our early history.

Chetry: I want to move on to the bank bailouts. This is a source of a lot of contention. You've been opposed to them. Lately there have been some signs that perhaps it's working. Bank of America is turning a profit. Wells Fargo now saying they’re able to pay back the federal government and return some of that bailout money. In the end, could this have turned out to be the right move?

Paul: If a gangster steals money and he’s successful, you don't celebrate. Yeah they might be. This is just going to make the people angrier. They ripped us off, took all of this money, and now they’re making bundles? It's just an unfair system to penalize average people, inflate the currency and bring on another crisis and undermine the whole system.

So I would say a bank's success here and there is not necessarily something to celebrate. It's still pretty early. I don't think we're out of the woods yet to celebrate banks’ successes. What we have to realize is a lot of people stashed away a lot of money and took care of their bonuses and what not. You're not going to erase the anger that's come from that just because the bank made a profit. Like I say, it might make things worse.


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soundoff (1,136 Responses)
  1. John Stryker

    I encourage Texas to secede. they can eliminate taxes, pay their military in yellow ribbons and crayon colored cartoons supplied by kindergartners who support the troops, go back to the gold standard, eliminate fiat currency of the dollar, install pay per use toilets or whatever, hire cops paid per call, and live the Libertarian utopia that exists in Ron Paul's mind.

    and we don't have to hear about Texas anymore.

    win-win.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:28 am |
  2. Chris

    If they secede and we go back and take them over, can we use torture methods? Maybe some waterboarding on our past leaders?

    April 21, 2009 at 11:28 am |
  3. Ken

    The problem isn't tax cuts or traditional federal spending (wise spending). The problem is that you can't do both at the same time. History proves, and Dr Arthur Laffer proved, tax cuts work. You cannot spend your way into prosperity. We also know we live in an advanced society because of responsible federal tax spending. However, you cannot fight the war on terror and cut taxes simultaneously. That was the mistake. Now, instead of recognizing the problem, Obama is increasing federal spending and increasing taxes, further burdening the American taxpayer at precisely the wrong time in the economic cycle. Spending should be cut, not increased. Taxes can be left at current levels, or slightly increased, but Dr. Laffer proved that the US Treasury will reach a point of "diminishing returns" in their attempt to continually raise taxes. Think of it this way – you cannot tax people at a rate of 100% and expect them to continue to work. So where is the saturation point? 40%? 50%? We're close to the saturation point right now. Texas succession talk, Tea Party protests and general outrage is not a coincidence.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:28 am |
  4. Jack Johannsens

    Bush kept us safe for 7 1/2 yrs – how did he do it? Most Americans have never taken the time to find out.
    Why was 9/11 not detected – here in MPls FBI caught Moussaui and wanted to take his computer and review – but Washington said "no" that's not legal and it was stopped (reviewing his computer would of stopped 9/11)....WHO IS THE ONE RESPONSIBLE FOR STOPPING THE REVIEW OF MOUSSAUI COMPUTER – OH MY IT WAS A MAN BY THE NAME OF ERIC HOLDER, our Attorney General now. Wonder why Texas wants out of this mess that America has voted in.
    If they are unqualified they are in the Gov't in Washington now, and that Inc Mr. Obama.
    Jack J
    Mn

    April 21, 2009 at 11:28 am |
  5. Truth

    These comments are just further proof that CNN is biased, not that we didn't already know. Well over 90% of you are overt liberals. Thanks for the evidence idiots.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:28 am |
  6. Michael

    Only an idiot would make such a jumble of rationalizations to argue the validity of succesion. Obviously they choose to ignore our history since the civil war. Why do we even give a platform to such screw balls?

    April 21, 2009 at 11:28 am |
  7. John

    Don't like what Washington is doing? Welcome to the club. Yet we the people keep reelecting the same people. Expecting a different outcome, it seems.

    I ran across a comment the other day that the problem with our elected representatives (and I’m not so foolish as to think that it’s only Washington) is not that they aren’t listening to us, but that they listen all too well and give us exactly what we want: trying to please everyone without exercising any judgment beyond pleasing the special interest group de jour.

    The “we’ll show them and take our toys and go home” is expected in the kindergarten sandbox. Coming from self proclaimed “public servants” it’s disappointing.

    As a veteran and son of a veteran and brother of another, may I assure Mr. Paul that one of the things we fought and fight for was a United America and not for its dissolution because things aren’t going exactly the way we want. Work to make it better, not tear it down.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:27 am |
  8. Bob G

    Let them go! And take all the entire idiot Bush family with them! We get Willie Nelson though.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:27 am |
  9. Chris

    And what exactly is wrong with secession and self-government?

    I'm not sure if the comments expressed here are more ignorant or malevolent.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:27 am |
  10. Charles Miller

    I think, perhaps, we are all forgetting that free speech is American. Even if a comment is ignorant, to allow the comment to be made IS American.

    I will take this opportunity to make another comment; Anyone that BLINDLY follows the republican or democrat party and actually defends them is insane.

    Both parties are rediculously corrupt! I have been upset since Bush started spending money and I will contiinue to be upset until Obama stops. I think Obama deserves as much criticism as Bush. Please open your eyes and understand that Washington is filled with criminals. BOTH BUSH AND OBAMA ARE GUILTY OF APPOINTING CRIMINALS! Our govenrment was elected by the people, but who else was there to vote for? We need a third party.

    So, if someone want to talk succession, maybe they have a point. They have the right to say it as Americans. I, however, believe that walking away from things never solves the problem.

    Let's get away from succession and start thinking about putting responsible people (elected only with public funds) in office.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:27 am |
  11. LouAZ

    fter Perry, and on Paul, and Texas form their own country, they will "discover" other little things about the United Counties of Texas, then some of those Counties will seccede from Texas, so on and so on, and eventully RonPaul will have his own country that will do his bidding, then he can call himself King Paul. He will be lonely however because each other person will be their own country and their own King.
    Come on, we have been through all this. The USA was formed and still works because we believe that some things are best done colletively for all our citizens. We get a chance to change things a little, for better or worse every two years when we vote for some old or new politicos, and then every four years for the big Administrative Chief.
    Get BACK IN THE PROGRAM . IT WORKS ! Not perfect, but it works.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:27 am |
  12. conserve 56

    The left chides us conservatives for liking tax cuts and therefore causing the big deficits.

    Let me be clear. True conservatives believe in tax cuts with a corresponding drop in federal spending. I would cut out whole federal departments if it were left to me. I would eliminate the useless but intrusive Dept. of Education. Education is primarily a local and state matter. Health and Human Services can go. There is much federal spending that does little for the people actually paying federal taxes.

    The real problem is we now have 43% of working Americans that pay no federal income taxes. They don't care about federal spending as they may benefit without having skin in the game.

    Also don't start railing about defense spending. Defense of the nation is one of the few legitimate functions of the federal government.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:27 am |
  13. Brent

    The Argument is not about the Central Goverment but about the illegal Central Bank. Congress needs to get back its Constitutional power to coin our currency and get back to the Gold and Silver standard. END THE FED and the debt that is inslaving us all.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:27 am |
  14. Bear-Man

    WOW! This is a little crazy. Obama has been is office 100 days and Bush was in office for 8 years and because of some different policies,
    none so far that have taken away some of our rights, Texas wants to secede from AMERICA (by the way, only Republican conservatives are AMERICAN). Get real. Please leave and take the Dallas Cowboys with you!

    April 21, 2009 at 11:27 am |
  15. Bjk in Omaha

    Mr. Paul and all like him are fanning a flame that gets us into trouble each and every time it flares up. I will only say that those like him and Mr Perry are not really American they are all about their own personal space IN America. They are not team players and they are self serving to boot. This election cycle will be followed by another and they can vote and try to get others like themselves elected. THAT is American.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:27 am |
  16. Jack

    I'm going to have to agree with the Center Square on this one. Just because Texas voted for the other guy doesn't mean that they have to act alike a spoiled kid on the playground who's threatening to "take his ball and go home." And, to back up Center Square, it's not like the Republicans don't spend our tax dollars as freely as the Dems.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:27 am |
  17. Matt

    As always, most of your are ignorantly missing the point of them mentioning seceeding from the Union. The point being that the Federal government gets its power from the States, for without a Union and the States supporting it, the Federal government ceases to exist.
    States rights are an important foundation in our country and we need to remember that nationlizing everything into central points of control yields less power to the people, states and local governments.
    Centralized government means a slower reaction time, and a more nationalized policy...which fails to react to the ever changing markets and local problems.
    Try to think of it like a large business trying to help 1 single customer that wants to spend $100 when their average transaction is $100,000. Ever try to call a large company and buy something when you don't have an account with them? The service stinks. Call a small business and you are out the door in 5 minutes with your sale.
    Both companies are probably good companies, but the model is not set up for handling localized/small sales, etc.
    In the same manner, an overly centralized government will fail, same as an overly decentralized government can fail to unite the States.
    Right now, we have a large swing toward an overly centralized government.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:27 am |
  18. Linda H

    I personally would not miss Texas or Alaska
    Nor any other whiners that believe that Freedom is free.
    I hate paying taxes too, but, spending what we are on 2 wars, plus multiple natural disasters, who exactly is going to pick up the bill if we don't?
    Dont get me wrong, I am totally against bailouts, but there are things that we must address – crumbling roads and bridges, bringing jobs back home, health and public safety to name a few. So, if they have an answer for how to pay for all of this WITHOUT raising taxes, I for one would love to hear it.
    All I hear is complaining – with no real solutions.
    Plus, isn't Texas one of the states that doesn't have a state income tax (please correct me if I'm wrong)? If so, seceding will change that won't it?

    April 21, 2009 at 11:27 am |
  19. Jay

    Maybe Ron Paul and his friends should read this:

    I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands: one Nation under God, INDIVISIBLE, with Liberty and Justice for all.

    Remember the Pledge you fought so hard for. Now, live up to it!

    April 21, 2009 at 11:27 am |
  20. joe in CA

    You dems are ridiculous... here is a guy speaking plain English speaking about the most fundamental of our rights. Free Speech!! Anyone who says that Obama is doing something wrong, is persecuted as a Republican, its almost like liberalism is now a religion. You’re all hypocrites. You don’t want what’s good for the country; you just want to see this President be successful, no matter what the outcome. Your grandkids will suffer, but who cares, liberalism is alive and well!!!

    April 21, 2009 at 11:26 am |
  21. Taxes goingup

    Why do Repubs keep saying that Obama is raising our taxes? What language does it have to be said in for you people to understand?! 95% of the nation's taxpayers will NOT have taxes go up AT ALL!!
    The remaining 5% will have taxes go up in the near future not immediate future. PLUS that tax hike for (I REPEAT 5% of people) is not to some new level, its to what it was BEFORE Bush lowered it for them (who didnt lower it for the 95%). You people are living in la-la land if you keep thinking backwards on this.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:26 am |
  22. David Frazier

    Bob more people live In the City. So we are the Majority. By the way just becasue you don't live In the city doesn't mean you work harder. If Im not mistaken the majority of Welfare receipants are not in the City.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:26 am |
  23. W

    We Texans love y'all, but we'll probably have to take action since B. Hussein Obama won the election. We'll miss you too.

    So what does Texas have to do to survive as a Republic?

    1. NASA is just south of Houston , Texas . We will control the space industry.

    2. We refine over 85% of the gasoline in the United States

    3. Defense Industry–we have over 65% of it. The term "Don't mess with Texas ," will take on a whole new meaning.

    4. Oil – we can supply all the oil that the Republic of Texas will need for the next 300 years. Yankee states?
    Sorry about that.

    5. Natural Gas – again we have all we need and it's too bad about those Northern States. John Kerry will have to figure out a way to keep them warm....

    6. Computer Industry – we currently lead the nation in producing computer chips and communications–small companies like Texas Instruments, Dell Computer, EDS, Raytheon, National Semiconductor, Motorola, Intel, AMD, Atmel, Applied Materials, Ball Miconductor, Dallas Semiconductor, Delphi, Nortel, Alcatel, etc, etc. The list goes on and on.

    7. Medical Care – We have the largest research centers for cancer research, the best burn centers and the top trauma units in the world, as well as other large health centers. Dallas has some of the best hospitals in the United States .

    8. We have enough colleges to keep us going: University of Texas , Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Rice, SMU, University of Houston , Baylor, UNT ( University of North Texas ), Texas Women's University, etc. Ivy grows better in the South anyway.

    9. We have a ready supply of workers. We could just open the border when we need some more.

    10. We have essential control of the paper industry, plastics, insurance, etc.

    11. In case of a foreign invasion, we have the Texas National Guard and the Texas Air National Guard. We don't have an Army, but since everybody down here has at least six rifles and a pile of ammo, we can raise an Army in 24 hours if we need one. If the situation really gets bad, we can always call the Department of Public Safety and ask them to send over a couple of Texas Rangers. We're a state that has a legal right to go heeled and concealed too.

    12. We are totally self-sufficient in beef, poultry, hogs, and several types of grain, fruit and vegetables, and let's not forget seafood from the Gulf. Also, everybody down here knows how to cook them so that they taste good. Don't need any food. This just names a few of the items that will keep the Republic of Texas in good shape. There isn't a thing out there that we need and don't have. Now to the rest of the United States under President Obama:

    Since you won't have the refineries to get gas for your cars, only President Obama will be able to drive around in his big 9 mpg SUV. The rest of the United States will have to walk or ride bikes. You won't have any TV as the Space Center in Houston will cut off satellite communications. You won't have any natural gas to heat your homes, but since Mr. Obama has predicted global warming, you will not need the gas as long as you survive the 2000 years it will take to get enough heat from Global Warming.

    Signed, The People of Texas

    P.S. This is not a threatening letter – just a note to give you something to think about!
    SLEEP WELL TONIGHT – THE EYES OF TEXAS ARE UPON YOU!!
    That's One Nation Under God, y'all!

    April 21, 2009 at 11:26 am |
  24. drc

    I wish ANY state would suceed so I could move there and be done with 30% in Federal Taxes, 7% in State taxes, social security being taken from me of which clearly I WILL NEVER SEE.

    BOTH parties are a joke and yet people argue/discuss like one is better than the other. Please, from top to bottom, the Federal Goverment is BROKEN, it is beyond fixing, it has been and always will be swimming in debt and in the not so distant future (regardless of who is running Washington) our money will be worthless.

    So, enjoy arguing over Obama being the savior, Ron Paul being a traitor and Bush supposedly having caused all of this....it won't matter.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:26 am |
  25. Mark

    I'm not going to weigh-in on the merits of secession (not "succession") nor the ridiculous idea that discussing it is seditious or traitorous (free speech, people!), but I will say that anyone with basic knowledge of the US economy and taxes should realize that the US would be screwed without Texas. and Texas would be facing many new problems too w/o the resources of the other states, but I think the big loser here is clearly the US economy.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:26 am |
  26. Tex

    As a 7th generation Texan whose family history dates back to the Republic of Texas days, I do not appreciate a the radical opinion of a Pennsylvania born carpet bagger like Ron Paul.

    He's just another hypocrite would had his medical degree and early career sponsored by the US Air Force (government paid education), but takes every opportunity to cater to the whims of rich tax dodging "less/anti-government" greed mongers who want to control every aspect of the lives of good working people ie...whether or not they have a job, whether or not they have health care, whether or not if their children can afford higher education...control it all!

    Rick Perry and Ron Paul have the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION quarantee of freedom of the speech. I would not trust these same crackpots to ensure the same for good Texans and good people. Their statements are UNAMERICAN and treasonous.

    Ron Paul needs to rememeber he is a UNITED STATES congressman...his feeble attempts to down play and justify his statements are a lie and mask his real goal to destroy government FOR and BY the the people – ALL OF THE PEOPLE – ALL OF THE STATES....the VOTERS HAVE SPOKEN -LISTEN AND HELP...not derail and obstruct EVERYTHING.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:26 am |
  27. Virginia Pardo

    who cares if Texas secedes? Go ahead .... I'm for the Union, but I'm sick of Republican wackos and their obstructionism ...good riddance ...

    April 21, 2009 at 11:25 am |
  28. Dave

    fools all of you. Ron Paul is hated by the rest of the GOP and he openly criticized bush from day one. shut your mouths.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:25 am |
  29. Zach

    Ron Paul is an idiot. In fact he is somewhat dangerous! I am glad he never had a chance in the Presidential race, he is way to extreme. This talk of Texas becoming its own country is stupid. If it did, their economy would really suck and it would be ripped apart from the inside by the people still faithful to the USA, actually i think most people in the state would remain faithful. Its very not American to not want to be apart of America!! Him suggesting that this is somehow patriotic is stupid! I think the taxes Governor just lost his position as Governor. Next election he is out. This is embarrassing for the great state of Texas. Also the only people that are mad about what Obama did are the rich Republicans and they are mad because their time is over. Their were voted out and don't really have a chance of recovering, in fact the party must change so it doesn't cater to them in order to move forward.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:25 am |
  30. DR

    Just think how much better off we all would be if TEXAS was out of the picture

    April 21, 2009 at 11:25 am |
  31. Ben

    First the people in the area, now known as Texas, steal it from the Mexicans and call it Texas.

    I say let them secede. We'll see how well they do by themselves.

    Texas has to be the most un-patriotic state in the union. They act like they're the only true Americans, but when things don't go their way, they want to secede.

    That is about as unpatriotic as you can get. Talk about anti-american.

    What a bunch of babies.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:25 am |
  32. Tony

    This kind of talk comes from this new administration's abuse of what the public wants. They totally ignore that most people don't want to work, so the poor and lazy can continue to be just that. Most people don't want to see the new president break almost every promise made during the campaign. Most people see the pok barrel, reckless spending already occuring in the first three months. Most people do not want a president acting like a lap dog around the world, trying to make more "friends". Most people want to see him stand up and defend this country. We are on a seriously wrong path, but with so many wanting the government to take care of them and a willing dolt in the White House to accomodate them, we are screwed for a very very long time. None of those nit wits in Washington represent me, so I would love to secede just to get away from them. They are all the true traitors in this debacle.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:25 am |
  33. Jon

    They wave the flag and proclaim "United We Stand" when their party is in power, but when it's not, certain Republicans advocate treason against the same Union instead. Patriotism is indeed the last refuge to which a scoundrel clings!

    April 21, 2009 at 11:25 am |
  34. 5th Gen Texan

    Gov. Perry an Ron Paul has lost their minds completely. Texas has no more right to Secede than does any other state. The Supreme Court decided this issue after the Civil war. The answer is NO. Texas has no special standing as a state. And Texas has already been broken up from the original size it was when we entered the union. I'm a fifth generation Texan. Texas will secede over my dead body. Again I remind Perry of his Oaths:Protect and defend the Constitution" and "One Nation, under God, INDIVISIBLE, with liberty and justice for all." Texas v. White (74 U.S. 700). Chief Justice Chase, writing for the court in its 1869 decision, said: "The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union, composed of indestructible States. ... Considered, therefore, as transactions under the Constitution, the Ordinance of Secession, adopted by the convention and ratified by a majority of the citizens of Texas, and all the Acts of her Legislature intended to give effect to that ordinance, were absolutely null. They were utterly without operation in law. ... Our conclusion, therefore, is, that Texas continued to be a State, and a State of the Union, notwithstanding the transactions to which we have referred."

    April 21, 2009 at 11:25 am |
  35. J

    Quit bashing Texans in general. W was not a Texan, he's from somewhere out east (Conn?) read as NOT A TEXAN. Perry, i have no idea what hole he crawled out of. Ron Paul.. i expected more from him. if anything, Austin should seceed from Texas and become it's own state since this is the only progressive city worth mentioning... WE'RE SURROUNDED BY OSTRICHES WITH THEIR HEADS IN THE GROUND!!!

    April 21, 2009 at 11:25 am |
  36. Nick in Dallas

    Texas couldn't make it as its own nation in the 19th century, and I doubt we'd have any better luck in the 21st. This is just a publicity stunt for a desparate governer that can't get elected on his own record.
    Rick Perry isn't going anywhere, and neither is this great state.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:25 am |
  37. JS

    The government administration is simply lending money to the people that they took from the people, of course after they have taken the lions share. In this case, the lender enslaves the borrower with their own money and resources. Our children may be enslaved for the promise of something free or because someone else did the same bad thing?

    April 21, 2009 at 11:25 am |
  38. DG

    Wow, and I used to like Ron Paul in a guilty pleasure kind of way. Who is angry with Obama? Right wing brainwashed idiots listening to AM radio, racists (the South will rise again), and very very wealthy people who hate to see anyone without a trust fund getting ahead in the great Country. Bush (King George) got us into a needless war and needless debt and a ruined economy. Obama is getting us out. What's to be angry at? : Bush.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:24 am |
  39. Maryann - Orlando, FL

    Ha ! secede (sorry, typo)

    LOL at me!

    April 21, 2009 at 11:24 am |
  40. jeff

    It astonishes me that anyone who plans to run for national office would talk positively about secession. What will happen to them in the first debate, when they get skewered for being a seditionist? Honestly, politicians have had their careers ruined for far more innocent reasons.
    I guess Paul and Perry have decided that they don't have any shot at the presidency. And, every single day it seems, the Republican party does something that tears itself apart even more.
    Well, good.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:24 am |
  41. Q

    If Texas secedes from the union, we must move Houston Space Center from Texas to the United States. We don't want to have a foreign power in charge of our space missions. The question is, which state will be awarded all the jobs and the honor associated with being our country's space mission control center?

    April 21, 2009 at 11:24 am |
  42. Keven

    Ron Paul for President of Texas !!!

    (maybe that will shut him up)

    April 21, 2009 at 11:24 am |
  43. chuck

    No Tommy, just follow everyone off the cliff. Don't stop, don't look around, just keep walking right off the cliff. YOU MORONS!!!

    April 21, 2009 at 11:24 am |
  44. Chris

    Hmm... The state that gave us Bush wants to talk secession? Let's have them form a union with Alaska, and we can rid ourselves of Palin at the same time.

    They can start their own wars. They can base their debt on borrowing instead of spending. They can fund their own pork. They can legitimately start saying that they don't take federal dollars.

    It's interesting to watch wealthy politicians prancing around, stirring up discontent among those who really are affected by the recession. By contrast, I think stirring up hope or proposing solutions is true patriotic behavior. Shame on you, governor, and shame on you, Ron Paul. This is not about secession rights - it's about bruised political egos after 8 years of complete and utter failure, brought on by another wealthy Texan.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:23 am |
  45. Mac

    Fine Rick Perry, then YOU deal with the Juarez Drug Cartel.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:23 am |
  46. harold vangilder

    In 1994, Newt Gingrich and the newly Republican majority in Congress stood on the steps of the Capital. The "Contract with America" was read and then he gave this warning; "If we forget why the American people sent us here–they will take retribution on us." That statement proved prophetic. We are here right now for a single reason; the Republicans we sent forth failed miserably to do the work of the people–and we Republicans kept sending them back hoping against hope that they would do better.

    I have voted for my last person simply because they have an "R" after their name. I'm with "thecentersquare"–we got what we asked for. Its our chickens coming home to roost.

    God Help America

    April 21, 2009 at 11:23 am |
  47. TedH

    Yes,
    True;George Bush with some help from a Democratic Congress were able to dig a deep hole in our national budget. But, I have to give President Obama credit, he was able to do the same in 90 days. Let's face it, neither Republicans, nor Democrats have done a very good job at controlling reckless spending. However, the people are beginning to speak and the deaf politicians better take notice. If the press and our political leaders ignore the people, history has told us where that will take us. The people in our great country are not just going to sit around and watch the country destroy itself (regardless of party); that is how this country and this whole thing started 200 years ago.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:23 am |
  48. John

    I seem to remember not long ago it was "treasonous" to stand up against the patriot act, and now it "isn't " to talk about succession. How does that work? And how is Texas being "thumbed at?" It seems that the Republican minority are acting like a bunch of tantrum-throwing 2 yr-olds who've lost all logic and reason because they can't get over their loss of power. If they are being "thumbed at" I still haven't heard a viable option on their side for what to do with this economic situation, aside from what they are doing right now, which is buying a lot of guns and ammo while living in fear and paranoia.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:23 am |
  49. JAMES DUCKWORTH SLC UTAH

    PLEASE GET OUT OF THE UNION

    April 21, 2009 at 11:23 am |
  50. Daniel

    "The colonies did not succeed from England. We declared independence."

    What exactly do you think the act of seceding is? It's a sub-region within a larger power declaring it is an independent state and no longer subject to that larger power.

    I do think that the majority of posters on this article have completely missed the point of what Ron Paul was saying. Essentially, he's arguing freedom of choice and personal liberty. If the population of a state gets fed up with the federal government, he's arguing it should be the choice of that population whether or not to go off on their own. If they choose to leave, we should respect it.

    He's not saying they should secede. He's saying they should have the right to if the majority of the population chooses to.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:23 am |
  51. Drew

    Its treason no matter how you dress it up Ron Paul.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:23 am |
  52. Maryann - Orlando, FL

    "SECEED" – "SECESSION"

    Please, people, it's NOT 'succeed' or 'succession'

    This is driving me nutz!!

    April 21, 2009 at 11:23 am |
  53. David Frazier

    What would thease same people have said if I don't know Ohio or Hawaii said they wanted to leave the Union when George W and his Gang were thumbing there nose at the Bill Of Rights and breaking treatys that the United states sighned. This is Hog Wash the GOP is pissed becasue the people in large have rejected there ways and policies. Obama was elected ( Not by the Supreme Court) has not broke any laws and is attempting to lead us in a better direction. GOP if your not going to help get out of The way and stop with thease silly stunts.

    Amercain no matter who the Pres. Is

    April 21, 2009 at 11:22 am |
  54. The Lorax

    This is treason.
    Its only been four months give the administration a chance. Hypocrites.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:22 am |
  55. John Galt in Colorado

    Hey idiots who think that it is un-American to talk succession. The states entered into a contract with the federal govt. If the terms of the contract are violated then they can pull away if they want. The terms of the contract have been violated numerous times by Republicans and Democrats alike. Most specifically the 10th amendment. So, states are free to leave if they wish according to the contract – also known as the U.S. Constitution, which the government really doesn't care anything about these days. The imperial federal government of the United States has used our education system to create a population of moronic followers. Now they are using the fact that the avg. voter has absolutely no idea what is going in the country to gain all-intrusive power over the people.

    "was it over when the Germans bombed Pearl Harbor?" "Who's with me?"

    April 21, 2009 at 11:22 am |
  56. potafan

    I truly wish we would secede. I believe that Texas would be better off without the rest of the United States.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:22 am |
  57. Tim JOhnson

    Stupid people don't understand what Obama has done to the next two generations ! Too bad you don't bother to do your research.
    I say, get rid of the nuts in Washington first, and if that cannot be done – let move on.
    Tim J
    ND

    April 21, 2009 at 11:22 am |
  58. ComputerGlitch

    This is nothing new. I visited Texas back in 2000 and the general consensus among all the people I talked was they believed they were their own country.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:22 am |
  59. Dan Lazarus

    The last time one of our so called "sovereign states" seceeded, it started a violent war between our states. If Texas did seceed, what makes them think the US Government wouldn't go and take the state back? The Texas governer claims to be an American? I call shenanigans. I think we should replace him with a Californian, that should fix the state some.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:22 am |
  60. Michael C

    I see people talking lamenting, "if this was a Democrat, people would be calling it treason; but now it's called 'American' because it's a Republican!" I hate to break it to the folks who see things only from the "left" side, but people are calling it "treason" and "un-American." The are screaming "hang them!" It's ironic isn't it? You point the finger at the "right" and point out how unbalanced their perspective is; and yet you're guilty of the same. Dissent is always American. It's what made this country; and it is what preserves it. The only problem with dissent is that it is most publicized when it comes from the two opposite ends of the political spectrum; and those good Americans in the middle are left without a voice. The middle is where all dialog takes place; and we further and further apart because we're drowning out that middle. If you're on the far right or far left, recognize it and pipe down. You're shouting over the dialog. Listen to the other side; come together in the middle. All this "treason" talk wasn't productive when it was the liberals' dissention; and it isn't productive now when the conservatives are dissenting.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:22 am |
  61. Frank

    Typical liberal drivel; if someone doesn't agree with you and you can't find an educated way to rebut the argument, you simply call people names.

    From the comments I just read – at least 3/4 of you only read the headline.

    I'm sick and tired of being called all sorts of names because I don't agree with our current president. I didn't agree with our last president, either. We need some new blood in this government – and anyone foolish enough to believe that BHO is new politics, well, there's nothing I can say to that other than you need to read a little. Shut your mouth for 2 minutes, stop calling people racists, and actually read what is going on. Then, maybe you'll get it.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:22 am |
  62. Bruce

    RE Pete: "States’ rights were a cornerstone of the original union, and those were thrown in the garbage within a few decades…"

    Pity they can't have slaves any more. Human rights trumped state's rights. What a horrible shame!

    April 21, 2009 at 11:21 am |
  63. thomas barker

    Texas should excercise her treaty rights with the USA and split into five states, thereby sending 10 Senators to Washington.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:21 am |
  64. DaveC

    What Ron Paul and the rest of these folks conveniently want to forget is that in between 1776 and 2009 we also had 1861. If you want to make a ringing endorsement for the right of secession, you also have to acknowledge that the Southern states had the right to secede back then and that Lincoln acted outside the law to force them back into the Union. Can't really have it both ways now.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:21 am |
  65. Chris

    The simple fact is that secession does remain a valid, if extreme, tool in the hands of the states. Texas v. White is a token gesture, it has no real weight because if a state truly attempts to secede, it will do so through force of arms, not litigation.

    I'd like to see the United States split into about 5-7 countries with capitals in the cities currently hosting the reserve banks.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:21 am |
  66. Charm

    Wow Texas is full of very sore losers. And comparing a democratically elected government with state representation to a monarchy where colonies were basically subject to England's whims is ridiculous. If Texas wants to succeed and save on federal taxes, let them. Hopefully, they'll realize that by doing so they'll lose federal aid for the next hurricane that blows into the gulf and wipes out their coastal communities and businesses.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:21 am |
  67. mike

    SUCESSION AND DECLEARING INDEPENDENCE ARE THE SAME THING YOU UNEDUCATED LIBERAL! All you idiots that voted for Mr. Hussien and want to say that bush ran up the national debt are about the most retarded people ever to speak. Bush did run up the debt, less than 1 trillion. Thats alot better than the 13-15 trillion that is being spent now! I hope you people are happy that your mistakes and debt will be paid by your children and their children.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:21 am |
  68. Scott

    Treasonous moron!

    April 21, 2009 at 11:21 am |
  69. haha

    if you want texas to be an own country for criminals (LBJohnson, HwBush, etc)'sake, go ahead to tell texas to leave USA.
    enjoy !

    April 21, 2009 at 11:21 am |
  70. Frank

    Secession is a messy alternative. Preservation of the union means civil war, plain and simple. Other countries would take advantage of the situation as we have have done to other countries. Yes, we can vote out the government officers very 2 or 4 years, but the majority of their term is spent getting re-elected. Incumbents have the bully pulpit which means it will take a swell of change to sway public opinion. We elected Obama not because we liked him, but because we didn't like the alternative. Now, people are angry and looking for an alternative because they don't want to wait for the election. Talk of secession can never occur without also talking about consequences. That said, if it REALLY gets bad enough (like rights taken away, government imposition on personal liberty) I'm all for secession, revolution, or whatever. However, it just ain't that bad right now.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:20 am |
  71. jb

    I'm surprised at all of the comments so far.

    Last time I checked American history, we did declare independence from Great Britain. Why? A number of reasons, such as taxation without representation, but the biggest being that King George was moving to disarm the militias

    Regardless of why, I don't think it is wrong to describe it as succession. Same principle really as declaring independence. The point is that there is social contract between the government and the governed, that the governed believe that the government has breached the social contract, and thus the governed are free to abolish the old government and start a new one.

    Some people find it crazy to believe that would happen in the U.S. But it is possible. Why? Same reason as every other empire in human history fell apart. The U.S. has something like 250 military bases in countries around the world.

    We spend approx. $1,000,000,000,000.00 a year on our military, and have been for a while. Both the Democrats and the Republicans have allowed this to go on since the end of WWII, using the excuse of the Cold War, and the War on Terror to justify this kind of spending, even though we can't afford it.

    So yeah, if the dollar becomes worthless because the only way government can continue is by printing money, people are going to be pissed and some states might try to break away.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:20 am |
  72. Mike in New York

    Texas has every right to succede and if they do I will be moving my family and I to Texas and would be wiling to fight with anybody, Americans, Mexicans, for Texas's independence.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:20 am |
  73. jerry1

    WE NEED TO STOP ALL THIS TEARING THE COUNTRY APART!!! THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT THE FOREIGN COUNTRIES ARE WANT IS FOR US TO SELF DESTRUCT... WE NEED TO TAKE A STEP BACK, TAKE A DEEP BREATH, THEN GET STARTED FIXING THIS MESS WE GOT OURSELVES INTO.. iF THAT MEANS REPALCING ALL OF WASHINGTON THEN LET'S GET STARTED!!!!

    April 21, 2009 at 11:20 am |
  74. Rich C.

    Funny how no one is mentioning the Civil War which was fought over the issue of secession and slavery. Are we going to go down that road again? Sam Houston, the governor of Texas at the time, did not support secession. Neither did Robert E. Lee, though he later fought for the South once Virginia did secede. President Buchanan thought it was unconstitutional but did nothing to stop it. Lincoln of course agreed that it was unconstitutional.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:20 am |
  75. doc

    If at first you don't secede, try, try again. What could possibly be more American than declaring independence from the Leviathan?

    April 21, 2009 at 11:20 am |
  76. steven maloy

    I think every one missed the sentance when he said "I don’t think it’s very serious. I don’t think anybody called for secession, and I don’t think the governor called for it." People need to stop making stuff up, and pulling wrong meaning out of statements to support their arguements.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:20 am |
  77. Brandt DeLany

    This type of cesession talk is just meant to confuse and distract gullible people (who can't think for themselves) into believing there is a "problem" in Washington when there is not. Classical propaganda at it's very finest.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:20 am |
  78. Longhorn

    Those that keep attempting to point out the difference between succession and a "declaration of independence" forget that the only difference is if you are successful or not. Most seem to forget which states have the hunters, guns and a majority of the military personnel this time around too.

    You may all go to Hell, and I will go to Texas.
    -Davy Crockett

    April 21, 2009 at 11:19 am |
  79. Jack Jones

    If we don't get that kook out of the Whitehouse it will be more than Texas wanting to secede.
    Jack J
    Nevada

    April 21, 2009 at 11:19 am |
  80. Ryan

    Like the federal government will just "let" Texas leave with all of the military bases located there. How many Air Force bases and Army bases are in Texas? Enough so that they're not going to just leave the union and keep all that hardware. The citizens of Texas would be forced to pay an enourmous fee back to the US to cover the costs of losing those assets, and then be taxed again to build and maintain their own armed services.

    Any liberation Texans would have would be short, short lived.

    Isn't it time we put the United States first, and not Texas or any other state first?

    April 21, 2009 at 11:19 am |
  81. technogeek

    I think it is a valid point. All politics aside, isn't the very foundation of our government based on the will of the people? If a majority of voters in any state feel betrayed or not represented, then they should be able to vote any way they wish. Rest assured they will lose priviledges of being a member of the union if they decide to leave, but who are we in the rest of this country to tell Texas or any other state what they can or can't do? Freedom!! It's a beautiful thing. I don't really care what you do with it, just don't try to take it away!

    April 21, 2009 at 11:19 am |
  82. Dobbins

    Texas needs to succeed immediately, before it is swallowed up along with the rest of this ridiculous nation into obama's black hole of debt!

    April 21, 2009 at 11:19 am |
  83. Chris

    Everyone here who thinks Ron Paul is "nuts" is just blind. None of you who say this even know what Liberty is. Saying that this is "unconstitutional." You dont even know what the constituion is. It doesn't exist anymore. It's been destroyed. The beurocrats in this country have enslaved you all to the point of complete ignorance and blindness. Your all happy little slaves and don't even care about LIBERTY because YOU DON'T KNOW WHAT IT IS. Don't say this is "un american" and "hang him"...Your all fools. Ron Paul tries to give you a glimpse of what liberty is all about and you just spit in his face and call him a fool...now THAT's american.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:19 am |
  84. Koz

    If Texas secedes, I'm moving there.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:18 am |
  85. chuck

    Hey JD, NO we can't wait a year. BO is well on his way to destroying this country. Take a look at well the state of Illinois is doing under his outstanding leadership as a senator and also his community organizing. That state is decaying and nobody who wants to start a business will do so in that city. No business, no jobs. Go figure!

    April 21, 2009 at 11:18 am |
  86. Bob Atlanta

    Ron Paul is right that no criminal penalties or harm should come to Rick Perry for talking secession. He has the right to say what he wants, although he might skate dangerously close to advocating violent overthrow of the United States government, which is a crime. Nevertheless, all those who hear what he says have the right to form judgments about him because he said it. They have the right to THINK what they want.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:18 am |
  87. Bruce

    The Civil War changed us from "these United States" to "THE United States". The was was costly to both sides. Let's not throw away all that the country has gained by being uselessly divisive.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:18 am |
  88. Jane J

    Along w/Texas seceding we should give California to Mexico.
    New York can become a World State – paid for by the UN.
    Jane J
    Co

    April 21, 2009 at 11:18 am |
  89. Phil from up North

    Interesting article–keep in mind that in Canada we have lived with this issue for several generations (Quebec constantly talks this way)–so never say never.

    However, the fabric that is the US would likely not allow this to occur I have to believe. Not by rule of law-but I just do not believe Texan's would ever actually go this far as a key characteristic of American's seems to be love of country (regardless of political stripes). Culturally–I just cannot see this happening.

    In Canada, provinces are surprisingly autonomous vs states in the US as well.

    As mentioned, interesting talk–but I believe just that.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:18 am |
  90. Joshua

    David –

    Ron Paul was constantly voting against the Bush agenda. To call him a moron in this regard only shows that you know nothing about his message or fail to comprehend it.

    Ron Paul is defending the notion of secession as it is a noble idea when Federal Government infringes upon state's rights.

    If you want to know where these "morons" were during the Bush years, just look into all of the states who have filed "10 amendment bills" during his presidency.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:18 am |
  91. Jeff

    Karl Rove, Fox News, Dick Cheney, Rick Perry, et. al.,

    Stop to this secession talk. You make the Republican Party sound even more desperate and out of touch.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:18 am |
  92. Tim

    If the United States abandons the principals that it was founded upon then it becomes the United States in name only. At that point you really can't secede or you could say that all 50 states have collectively seceded and are now part of a new country that just happens to be called the United States.

    I personally think that CA should secede from the union. They pay $1.25 in federal taxes for every $1.00 they receive in federal spending. And this is a state who's economy would be the 7th largest in the world so we're not talking about a trivial amount.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:18 am |
  93. Sherman

    Texas, try it and you'll see Sherman March to the Sea II and you'll have nothing left. What a stupid and what an Anti-American comment. Now if you lose politically you threaten succession? Come on, the only thing this shows is how stupid the Republican Party is right now and why I won't return to vote for them until they give up the rhetoric and actually try to solve some problems working with others. What a joke the gov. of Texas is and for that matter, I don't need to vacation there anymore.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:17 am |
  94. Kraig from Minnesots

    I for one would glady go to a state as great as Texas to get away from our corrupt political system. Go for it Texas and God Bless

    April 21, 2009 at 11:17 am |
  95. Scott

    I say we let Texas succeed under one condition... take Bush and the nutty christian conservatives with him. We could even make a holiday to celebrate it 🙂

    April 21, 2009 at 11:17 am |
  96. Dane

    I cannot believe some politicans are thinking it's okay to go about talking about secession. That is ridiculous. I'm actually too enraged to even argue. Ron Paul – you are an idiot.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:17 am |
  97. KarkClent

    Let Texas go and than Mexico will invade them and take over As a ciudad. LOL. Enjoy that, you arrogant Texicans

    April 21, 2009 at 11:17 am |
  98. Martin

    hmmm.... Americans have always supported secession? As in the Civil War? I seem to recall a lot of Americans fighting and dying to prevent secession. Of course, if Texas and the rest of the South had succeeded with that, people in the North wouldn't have to continue to support them with their federal tax money, even to this day.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:17 am |
  99. Tommy

    What if individuals were allowed to secede from the union? I mean I HATE paying ATM fees and late-charges; I hate paying charges nebulously outlined on my utility bills; I hate it when gas goes up to $4.50 a gallon when the price of oil had decreased significantly... On and on.

    So, can I secede now!?

    April 21, 2009 at 11:17 am |
  100. Kurt

    In that interview with Kiran Chetry, I never heard Ron Paul ONCE give any instance that he agreed that Texas should secede.

    Where are all you dopes getting this anger toward Mr. Paul?

    Kiran Chetry brought up the good king George and asked a stupid question. Vilify her!

    Ron and not eve the Governor ever said they'd secede. They only said it is a possibility that, by Texas rights, they could do and gave some instances where it could 'possibly' happen.

    You internet posters are as dumb as the keys you're typing on. Jeez.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:17 am |
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