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April 21st, 2009
09:41 AM ET

Ron Paul: Secession is American

CNN's Kiran Chetry speaks to Rep. Ron Paul about Texas' governor's secession suggestion.
CNN's Kiran Chetry speaks to Rep. Ron Paul about Texas' governor's secession suggestion.

For ten years, Texas was a sovereign territory before joining the United States in 1845. It’s the stuff of legends that the “Lone Star State” could end the ties with the U.S. if its constituents want it that way.

Texas Governor Rick Perry, who's been highly critical of President Obama's stimulus package, raised the possibility that his state may one day secede from the union.

“We’ve got a great union. There’s absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people - who knows what might come out of that,” Perry told reporters last week.

The governor isn't the only one suggesting secession is not out of the realm. Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), a former presidential candidate, spoke with Kiran Chetry on CNN’s American Morning Tuesday.

Kiran Chetry: How serious is this secession talk?

Ron Paul: I don't think it's very serious. I don't think anybody called for secession, and I don't think the governor called for it. But he brings up an important issue. The biggest surprise to me was the outrage expressed over an individual who thinks along these lines, because I heard people say, well, this is treasonous and this was un-American. But don't they remember how we came in to our being? We used secession, we seceded from England. So it’s a very good principle. It’s a principle of a free society. It’s a shame we don’t have it anymore. I argue that if you had the principle of secession, our federal government wouldn't be as intrusive into state affairs and to me that would be very good.

We as a nation have endorsed secession all along. Think of all of the secession of the countries and the republics from the Soviet system. We were delighted. We love it. And yet we get hysterical over this just because people want to debate and defend the principle of secession, that doesn't mean they’re calling for secession. I think it's that restraining element of secession that would keep the federal government from doing so much. In our early history, they accepted the principles of secession all along.

Chetry: You said it's very American to talk about secession. It’s how we came into being. 13 colonies seceeded from the British. Are you likening the current situation to life under King George?

Paul: I think a lot of people are thinking that way. And I think that's what's important. People are angry. If we don't sense that, we don't know what's actually going on there. People are angry. I'm anticipating it will get a lot worse. When the dollar collapses and the federal government can't fulfill any of its promises, what if they send you dollars and they don't work. People aren’t going to have a violent secession; they’re just going to ignore the federal government because they will be inept. We'll be bringing our troops home and our empire will end. That's a different story. I think it's something we should talk about but we should institutionalize this principle. New England wanted to secede. No one challenged New England that it was unconstitutional in our early history.

Chetry: I want to move on to the bank bailouts. This is a source of a lot of contention. You've been opposed to them. Lately there have been some signs that perhaps it's working. Bank of America is turning a profit. Wells Fargo now saying they’re able to pay back the federal government and return some of that bailout money. In the end, could this have turned out to be the right move?

Paul: If a gangster steals money and he’s successful, you don't celebrate. Yeah they might be. This is just going to make the people angrier. They ripped us off, took all of this money, and now they’re making bundles? It's just an unfair system to penalize average people, inflate the currency and bring on another crisis and undermine the whole system.

So I would say a bank's success here and there is not necessarily something to celebrate. It's still pretty early. I don't think we're out of the woods yet to celebrate banks’ successes. What we have to realize is a lot of people stashed away a lot of money and took care of their bonuses and what not. You're not going to erase the anger that's come from that just because the bank made a profit. Like I say, it might make things worse.


Filed under: Controversy • Politics
soundoff (1,136 Responses)
  1. Galen

    Why couldn't they have seceded ten years ago? Then W wouldn't have been a citizen and we'd all be better off.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:16 pm |
  2. Iala

    I think we shoudl allow all of the unhappy little baby-children people from the tea party and the Sarah Palin worshipers to secede. Then we won't have to deal with them anymore.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:16 pm |
  3. No taxation without representation.

    We are very close to the 13 colonies in that monied interests have effectively disenfranchised the responsible citizenry. Certainly the courts offer no redress. Do not forget that the Declaration of Independence preceeds the Constitution in our law, and it guaranties us the right of secession if no other avenue of change is open.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:16 pm |
  4. Thomas

    Being a Texan and a democrat, I'm disappointed to see people saying Texas should secede. That is unamerican to treat your neighbor that way. Maybe RP has a point. I guess when you aren't welcome, maybe it's time to leave. Just know that we will control most of the oil gas. US imported crude and products will be be at roughly 90% then. Get ready to pay through the nose b/c we have no problem holding your feet to the fire. Especially if we aren't "one of you". Oh... We also have a ton of military installations and not to mention 4 major cities that are integral to the US economy. Losing Houston, Dallas, San Antonio, and Austin would be devastating. Then again, you can always keep rebuilding New Orleans.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:16 pm |
  5. JoeQuebec

    This is SOOOO funny!! I mean, here in Quebec we went through TWO referendum on secession from Canada in barely 15 years. Yup, that Texas governor of yours really lit up the match into the powder keg! When the US dollar falls into oblivion because of the massive bailouts, when hyperinflation takes over and RUIN what's left of the middle class, I suppose secession will become a plausible option for Texans. And for those illiterates, it is spelled secession, not succession!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:16 pm |
  6. Chuck

    Actually if it were Sean Penn talking about California leaving I would welcome it : ) Just be sure to take Hollywood with you.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:15 pm |
  7. Bing

    When the going gets tough, the wienies start running. Who lives in Texas, the French?

    April 21, 2009 at 12:15 pm |
  8. Yellowdog

    So if Texas really, really wants to secede, then can we please first encourage as many Republicans as possible to go there?

    April 21, 2009 at 12:15 pm |
  9. Doug

    Texas wants to secede?
    Well, in the words of Fidel Castro when he opened the jails in Cuba and sent their criminals and wastoids here in 1980,
    "LET THE SCUM LEAVE!!"

    And it's a doubly sad comment on this whole thing that Castro is who I wind up quoting here to make my point.
    Anyone who talks of secceeding from the union is a traitor and a potential criminal.
    Or I guess nobody remembers The Civil War, or as some southerners laughingly call it, "The War of Northern Aggression".
    Let Texas try.
    Just like the "teabaggers", they didn't learn their history.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:15 pm |
  10. Brian from Texas

    I changed my facebook profile from Libertarian to slightly liberal after hearing what Rick Perry and Ron Paul said. Way too radical.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:15 pm |
  11. Elliott

    Ron Paul clearly said nobody is calling for sucession. Its clear that he's saying that nobody is seriously saying Texas should sucede. He's saying the same sorts of things that he always has – the federal gov't isnt doing a good job and we're headed for a monetary disaster. It is logical that people who recognize that the federal gov't is performing unwisely but cannot get it to change would become frustrated as the though of it bring us all down. This isnt a Republican or Democrat issue – they're both equally as culpable.

    There's no reason to be so nasty and attack Texas. That isnt the crux of the issue. In fact, it sounds ignorant when weirdos attack an entire State based upon their stereotypes while at the same time claiming to be open minded.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:15 pm |
  12. Jason

    The U.S. revolted against England because the colonies were very anti-British as far as governance goes. Isn't seceding from the U.S. anti-American by the same logic? Ron Paul makes no sense! He's clearly not as bright as he's given credit for being.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:14 pm |
  13. joe

    Why do people support these "representatives' who, since 1935 have ignored the supreme courts ruling that said " congress CAN NOT pass their powers to another ( the FED ), meaning they have never had congressional authority but have been allowed to become the money cartel of the world!? Same reason the IRS has never, and never will, show chapter and verse, the law that we must pay taxes on our labor! they only obey the law of the land when it serves their purpose. "we can't not pay these bonuses because it breaks the law.... but we can fight all these wars without congress being involved, never mind the constitution.tony blair was just quoted that we don't need a constitution in this 'new world order"...so, got ahead and "vote" .. its worked great so far......

    April 21, 2009 at 12:13 pm |
  14. Matt, Philadelphia

    Mr. Paul, perhaps now you realize how much of the civilized parts of this country felt for the past 8 years! But perhaps it wouldn't be such a bad idea after all. Perhaps you can take a couple of your neighboring states with you, while you're at it!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:13 pm |
  15. Rick

    What is being lost here is that the anger people are experiencing is due to Obama's policies. Talk about a horrible leader. He is the wrong man for the wrong time. What we needed was a Ronald Reagan what we have is a Barack Hussein Obama. I think he is embarassed to be an American (why else would he be apologizing so much) and likes to bring down its people. He first televised address was not to the American people but to a muslim network? What is up with this guy? Bowing to foreign leaders, shaking hands with Hugo Chavez? This guy is NUTS! He's just in over his head and I think most moderate democrats realize this now. Only the hardcore Obamamaniacs are still in his corner.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:12 pm |
  16. Walker in Texas

    I live in Texas and I am embarassed of our Gov. Rick Perry is an idiot trying to get re-elected.

    I agree with the posts. When Dems questioned the war in 2001-02 righ wing nut jobs cried "UnAmerican and Move to France!". Yet as soon as these crybabies don't get their way, "Lets leave the Union". Frankly they are traitors to this country and should be treated as such.

    The Rebulican party has become a joke and a blight upon our contry. Just hurry up and split into the "Fiscally Conservative Party" and the "I'm a crazy fanatic who can't see anything that isn't white...I mean right"

    April 21, 2009 at 12:12 pm |
  17. Real American in Texas

    It was treason in the 1860s and it is treason now. If they want to live in a third world country run by an oligarchy of the rich & privileged they have many to choose from. We Americans who happen to live in Texas would be happy to see them go. Please, don't judge all Texans by the addle brained loud mouths that we have running around here. They may be more concentrated here than in other parts of the country, but they don't speak for all of us.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:12 pm |
  18. gerryb6

    If Texas wants to secede, I say good riddance.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:12 pm |
  19. American Historian

    Such talk is pathetic and irresponsible. I hope that the people of Texas will listen to these fools only in so much as they secede from their column in the voting booth. Both men need to be turfed from office at the next opportunity. Shame on them!!! The fools.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:12 pm |
  20. Frank

    Funny, all these liberal commentators can bash Bush all they want for 8 years; but when someone expresses discontent towards their beloved Barack... look out.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:12 pm |
  21. Aaron Seattle

    You know, I want to know where all these fiscal conservatives were during the Bush era??? You want to talk about tax cuts and out of control spending what do you call 2 wars in 8 years that had nothing to do with anything at all besides expanding the war industrial complex and securing that Bush and his oil cronies maintain their status quo.
    Thomas: You obviously don't understand market structure. What makes you think Texas would have been safe from the banks collapsing if it were to secede? Your state was just as much part of this as any other and would stand to lose just as much even if it were no longer part of the union. This argument that Texas would be better off is ridiculous! If you want to break away go ahead, but don't coming running for help when mexican cartels over run your territory.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:11 pm |
  22. bye bye Texas

    The US government could sell Texas to Mexico, cheap. I bet those Texans would sure be a lot happier being part of the US than being part of Mexico! Then, who would be racing back over the border? Hmmm.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:11 pm |
  23. Ryan

    In a way, we did secede from Britain. we said we've had enough, we're not a part of your country anymore. how is that not like secession?

    and as for the argument that we vote for our officials, its not exactly that simple. we don't get to nominate people who are qualified, the parties present us with people who they think we'll vote for. That's why our country is so screwed up. the two major parties quash any party competition and know that they just need someone who people will vote for, no matter how good of a leader he or she is, because if the other party gets elected, eventually people will get fed up and vote for their party. the fact that we stand for it is insane.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:11 pm |
  24. Warren

    I am shocked at the hatred over the idea of secession. It is no different than a divorce and can be undertaken for the same reasons. If a man beat his wife, every liberal on here would be screaming in favor of divorce, despite the fact they made an oath until "death do us part". And yet, when the federal government financially rapes and enslaves the states, these same liberals decry the idea of a divorce. Human beings, whether in a marriage or in a union of states, have the right not be be abused and to leave that relationship when it becomes harmful.

    "..that whenever ANY form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the RIGHT of the people to alter or abolish it..." – DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE

    April 21, 2009 at 12:11 pm |
  25. Chris

    Secession needs to remain an option. The Federal government no longer represents the people of this nation. The left-wing zealots have hi-jacked the media and now control the White House. States need to step up to the plate and declare they will no longer tolerate a non-representative government. I'd gladly elect Ron Paul as president of a new republic.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:11 pm |
  26. Liberal Double Standard?

    Why did no one heap abuse on the state of Vermont when, throughout most of the G.W. Bush presidency, they rattled their one saber and declared they wanted to secede from the Union?

    Where was the hysteria and abuse then?

    Oh, it's okay and enlightened, because it was a LIBERAL AGENDA, a LIBERAL thought? That made it okay?

    Texas has every right to secede. The Consitution does not hold when elected representatives no longer represent the people. And the Constitution is not some sacred document.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:11 pm |
  27. di

    i dot care at all if texas leaves if the majority in that state so desire thats fine with me. those born in texas will automatically become illegal iliens in the USA. let TX governor rick perry apologise for this stupid idea and move on. i however pray for his defeat at the hands of more sensible KAY bailey hutchison. as for ron paul he has some good ideas about the end of war but overall he is a radical for calling for the abolition of the cia, irs and gov,t institutions for the sake of reducing gov,t.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:11 pm |
  28. David

    Wow, so many of you don't even understand this stance that is afforded in our very own Constitution. When you think that the federal government knows best and is the final authority then you are truly sheeple.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:10 pm |
  29. Dubuque

    I never liked Texas anyway, let them be an independent country and be invaded by Spain or South America

    April 21, 2009 at 12:10 pm |
  30. george III

    Querterback is correct! In time of war treason is a capitol offence. We must hang every demacrat in the house and senate..Quarterback calls for it, let it be done!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:10 pm |
  31. R. glenn

    Just so you idiots know, succession is neither a Democratic nor Republican idea. Many of us realize that the threat of succession should always be on the table. Its part of the checks and balances of this great nation.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:10 pm |
  32. Glenn

    OK, here's my plan.

    Texas goes their own way, becomes a territory, trust, whatever. The Upper Penninsula of Michigan has wanted their own statehood for decades, as has Guam. We give it to either one or the other. We in the United States don't have to change the flag from 50 stars, Texas can elect Bush as their President, and can become a territory of Saudi Arabia! It puts a buffer zone between Mexico and the "Real" U.S. and we close the border. How's that for a piece of sliced gold!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:10 pm |
  33. Jeff

    i hope texas leaves cause ill move down there and be part of something worthwhile. I live in ny so i know tyranny firsthand. It goes like this people, if your democrat then you are homosexual, if you are republican then you are a closet homosexual. If you like the government, then you are my enemy.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:10 pm |
  34. Chris

    "He has plundered our seas, ravaged our coasts, burnt our towns, and destroyed the lives of our people." -Declaration of Independence

    Yup, this sounds like our current government... Oh wait, no it doesn't.

    Does Mr. Paul even know why we sat at defiance of King George?? Maybe he should read the list of grievances again and see how good we have it.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:10 pm |
  35. Deanna

    Good citizens...I don't mind the discussion of something that in all reality is not very likely to happen. Not everyone voted for Bush, nor Obama for that matter. We are a democracy. While it is true that the one with the most money wins it does not offer a true assessment of the nation's choice. So stop with the talk that I/we elected our presidents. Thank the electoral college for them.
    I am a Texan by choice. I didn't grow up here, but I choose to live in the wonderful state that has many American citizens, down home culture & the best Bar-B-Que that ever graced your palate.
    I am angry. Everyone I know is angry. I bet you are angry as well. It wouldn't matter where I live at this point, I would still be angry. The state of our union is not good. I want to fix it, and can't. But there is nothing wrong with a good debate, and instead of attacking the debaters... speak up!
    We need to let our elected officials know we are angry & demand action to fix this mess.
    American by birth, Texan by choice, a taxpayer just like you. I don't care what party you join.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:09 pm |
  36. sampson

    Read the article, Ron Paul is not saying that Texas should leave the Union and he doesn't believe it will happen anyway. He is saying that people should be allowed to bring up the option if they believe thier government is not acting in thier best interests.

    The point is that a government that has no fear of concequenses that can be brought on by the people it governs will do whatever it wants. Which is what happened with Bush and is now happening with Obama.

    Of course it wasn't brought up when Bush was in office, because the Republicans were in power then. But you did hear plenty of talk of impeaching Bush and making him a villian. Same concept.

    When has the other side not tried to vilify whoever was in power at that moment? It's called politics.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:09 pm |
  37. adam russell

    If texas was to secede I expect that Mexico would make a play to take it back. Dont come running to us to protect you. And you may like to think of yourself as tough guys but you have no army, and mexico does. Your idea of texas as an independent country is a fantasy.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:09 pm |
  38. Zieanna Higgins

    The secession discussion was resolved and ended with the Civil War. No state has the 'right' to secede from the union. As A. Lincoln said paraphrasing ' we have a union in order to form a more perfect union. anything less is less perfect.' I'd be interesting in knowing how the future Texas president of the great republic of Texas defend itself against Russia, alQueda and others and at the same time provide social security, infrastructure, school funding, and welfare benefits to Texas nationals.

    I can't understand why people vote for people this foolish and I can't understand why an organization dedicated to 'quality' journalism such as CNN would give the microphone to people like this.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:09 pm |
  39. sayitagin

    If Texas wants to secede, let'em and good riddance.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:08 pm |
  40. john C

    its a shame how the republicans screwed mr paul out of pres. nomination much like the dems did to hillary. We are living in an age where common sense is becoming outlawed. THis is why TX wants secession.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:08 pm |
  41. lawyrgrl

    I am all for Texas seceeding but only if the power struggle and resulting chaos is filmed and broadcast live. Now THAT would be reality TV worth watching! I wonder how long it would take before there would be a mass "run for the border" back into the good ole' USA? Who is an "illegal alien" now, Tex?

    April 21, 2009 at 12:08 pm |
  42. Aaron

    I expect better from Ron Paul: "if you had the principle of secession, our federal government wouldn’t be as intrusive into state affairs"

    He's basically saying that States should be able to threaten secession, in order to do what ever they want... That's classy.

    The only way a threat works is if the threatened actually thinks tou'll follow through... Texas, I call your bluff.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:07 pm |
  43. Mike

    Dear Texas,
    Good riddance!!

    Sincerely,
    Oklahoma

    April 21, 2009 at 12:07 pm |
  44. HARLEY

    People keep throwing out there that we the people voted for Obama. I certainly did not. He is going to do far worse to this country than ol GW ever dreamed of he is a communist and he is dangerous! If texas Seceeds i would love to move there !!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:07 pm |
  45. Dan (Maryland)

    Ron Paul thinks a lot of people are equating this to life under King George?! Is he out of his mind? Let's see, we have a FREELY ELECTED government, chosen by the people, to serve the people. Sorry it doesn't fit with the minorities views, but it's shocking all this furry is coming to a head now when the problems we're facing are a result of the prior administration's lack of responsibility.

    Ron Paul believes whole heartedly in the constitution, and I respect that – but under his logic here, we should have let the South seceed (maybe that wouldn't have been such a bad idea...last I checked, the southern states are tax drainers, the northern states are tax producers, maybe the northern states would be even better off) – actually, screw it – let Texas seceed – if they don't want to be a part of the greatest country on Earth, then good riddance.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:07 pm |
  46. Brett Lenz

    Awesome–I hope they take Texas, the whole south and everything between the coasts and secede–they could call it "Jesus Land". That would allow the rest of us to finally move forward with the rest of the civilized world.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:07 pm |
  47. Russ St. Louis

    To Thomas:
    "For one thing, all the workers there would immediately get a 30% pay raise,"

    Really? So where would your national defense come from? Who would build your highways? Think a little bit. You seem to imply Texas citizens do not benefit from federal funds. Wrong!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:07 pm |
  48. Zach

    Secession is the most un-American idea there is! Ron Paul is not a libertarian by any measure of the word. He's just an anti-abortion Christian radical trying to paint himself as something else.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:07 pm |
  49. Steve

    Sounds like most of the comments come from people who hate Texas (jealous perhaps?). If you go to any civilized country in the world, they know of Texas and are mesmerized by the legend of the state, the people and the history. Not so of other states of the US.

    I am sickened when I watch the news or even reflect on what is happening to this country. I want to work hard, love my family and country, trust in God and pay taxes to support infrastucture, education and defense. If it takes kicking out all the liberal p*****s, and seceeding, then so be it.

    Both my wife and myself are from families that date back to the Republic of Texas and have the original land grants given to our ancestors and signed by the President of the Republic of Texas.

    We are proud to be American, but more proud to be TEXAN!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:07 pm |
  50. Scott from Illinois

    All Ron Paul is trying to say is secessions in this case are mechanisms to salvage the American ideal when it is being tarnished and all together forgotten. Before you "ramble on" about how nuts Ron Paul is, i would first research what America was set out to be and compare that with what it is today and where it is headed. Our path to ruin started in the early 1900's and Obama is just adding to the fire. Ron Paul is what America needs.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:07 pm |
  51. Ian Magnusson

    "1) Does Mr. Paul then think that the Southern States were correct in their attempts to secede from the Union in 1860-61? That Lincoln was wrong for going to war to save the Union?"

    I certainly think that Lincoln was wrong to go to war to undemocratically impose the views of the North upon the South.

    The USA was established as a decentralised federation of states. Each state was given great latitude in how to govern itself. Lincoln ignored that latitude when he started the Civil War. The massive centralisation of government power Lincoln caused through the Civil War was absolutely unconstitutional.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:07 pm |
  52. Geoff

    Edmund Burke said:
    Let Texas secede – then we can invade them and take their oil.

    Edmund: Bring it on!!! I think the only state that has its own Army, (not national guard) and Navy, can take care of its oil and itself. Geoff

    April 21, 2009 at 12:07 pm |
  53. Scott O.

    Texas, where everything is big except IQs.

    This is the political version of, "... oh yeah, well I'll just take my ball and go home."

    April 21, 2009 at 12:06 pm |
  54. Dave

    Adios, Tejas! But before you go, there's a small matter of billions upon billions of oil company subsidies that you need to pay back.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:06 pm |
  55. M Wall

    Wish she would have asked him about the history of Texas seceeding from Mexico (remeber the Alamo) and the Civil War.....didn't work out so well

    April 21, 2009 at 12:06 pm |
  56. Roro Says So

    The comments from Ron Paul and the Governor of Texas is very worrisome and it has some strong racial overtones. The way a UNION works is that a majority wins and everyone works together after the vote is finished. There was no talk of secession after the vote for IRAQ war, and the majority of Americans were against the war. Talking of secession = TREASON and any local, state or federal worker needs to be dealt with accordingly.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:06 pm |
  57. Alex

    You can't possibly compare the circumstances the Colonies were in with regards to British rule and today's circumstances where you have Congress and the Senate with fair representation, etc. There is no comparison whatsoever. And the last time there was an attempt at secession – a philosophy Paul believes the nation endorse – it was a bloody Civil War, the echoes of which are still ringing a century later. Texans (or at least those Texans spouting this nonsense) just have their noses out of joint because THEIR political party of choice isn't currently in power. Advocating perpetual Republican rule is just as un-American as discussing the idea of breaking up the union so many people have died to protect.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:06 pm |
  58. Norman

    90% of the commenters still need to read the article. Ron Paul is not saying that he wants to succeed.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:05 pm |
  59. sean from texas

    Not all of Texas thinks like this fortunately so don't clump me in with those quitters.

    Also, I wonder how many of the Texans yelling "secession" are the same people that called Obama unpatriotic via pins and preachers?

    April 21, 2009 at 12:05 pm |
  60. David Frazier

    OK I got it. The GOP Stance Small non intrusive Goverment as long as it can : Be In your Bed room tell you who you can love, What God you can worship, How to worship, What to put in your body did I forget something Oh wait that'ts right The rich get richer and everyone else well too bad . Oh I forgot you can own a Uzi .

    Before you start I have a pistol Permit so don't start with the taken my guns away.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:05 pm |
  61. Scott

    quarterback:

    we haven't been in a state of war since WWII

    What if Texas didn't secede, but just decided to split into several states? (not unprecedented, Virginia/W. Vir. did it, so did NY and Vermont)

    I think they could become 5 different ones, and assuming they still have the same number of Representatives, they still gain 8 senators froma predominantly Conservative area. Would the liberals be claiming that was "Un-American" too?

    (and for the record, I am a proud member of the GOP, and I can't agree with any state that wants to secede purely from political disagreement)

    April 21, 2009 at 12:05 pm |
  62. TJ

    Do people understand that the only reason that the major Texas cities voted Obama is since theose cities are filled with transplants from liberal areas since Texas created 70% of all new US job in 2007 and 2008. how did Obama's state do...let's say it is negative growth. People need to keep in mind that Texas produced almost 50% of US agriculture and has much of the countries energy supply. Most importantly, if one states tries to secede, there will be some others joining which are ironically the ones that could best stand one their own. Just imagine a US without, Lousiana (nothing major), Texas (oil, wind, solar, and farming), Arizona (wind and solar), Alaska (oil and gold), Oklahoma (oil and farming), Wyoming (oil, corn, and coal), Montana (oil and corn)....see a little trend here

    April 21, 2009 at 12:04 pm |
  63. Jeff Paige

    OK Texas, leave the Union. Now you will be a separate country with no cash as the U.S. would withdraw all U.S dollars from the banks, – you would need you own currency., U.S. would not provide defenses unless treaties were created, establish and close borders, close bases/relocate. Texas would need a military for defense, people would have to declare citizenship, consider infrastructure support from the outside, Texas would have to establish a tax base to off-set the loss of U.S. dollars, and there are probably 1000 or more impacts that Texas would have to suffer as an isolated land mass.

    The Govenor is an idiot asa well as those who support this idea.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:04 pm |
  64. CJ

    So what else is new? Texas seems chronically confused regarding true loyalty to the U.S.

    As for the Mexico comments, right on: Seceed and "Hello Mexas."

    April 21, 2009 at 12:04 pm |
  65. Mason

    I have no problem with Texas seceeding.....as long as they take all the federal debt that the two Presidents they gave us – George H. W. Bush and his son – placed on the American people. That would amount to what, $7.5 Trillion. Yep, they can seceed and take that with them....since they're responsible for it.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:04 pm |
  66. impeachbushtx

    Good-Bye, good luck, who cares. Nothing good ever came from texas anyway. If the rest of America pulled their companies, assets, and so on out of texas, it would quickly crumble into a 3rd world country. At that point, the Peso would be more valuable than the rocks texas would be using for currency. So go out on you own and stuff your own ballot boxes instead of the ones in Florida and Ohio. Don't let the door hit you in the A*S.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:03 pm |
  67. Frank Brady

    The comments by all sides on this issue illustrate how deep the divide has become between those who accept the Welfate State's embrace and those who prefer Constitutional government and individual freedom.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:03 pm |
  68. Jordan

    If all the Republicans leave, who is going to pay your taxes for you?

    A country full of democrats would fall apart.

    And Quarterback, get a clue, Democrats wanted to hang Bush when he was in office. Republicans are acting twice as patriotic as Democrats did for those 8 years and are being treated twice as bad.

    I say forget you all, you need us waaaaay more than we need you but you will never know until we leave.

    Off topic, as someone who used to support gay marriage, after seeing the way Miss California was treated for SIMPLY STATING HER BELIEFS, I have decided to be officially against gay marriage again...I just don't want to be on the same side as you guys. I don't find any of you to be respectable individuals, just angry self-rightous hypocritical bafoons.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:03 pm |
  69. Dave

    Ron Paul is living proof of what makes American great! Even the mentally handicap can succeed! Succeed Mr. Paul, not secede.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:03 pm |
  70. Iala

    I say let Texas secede. I am sure they'll be more than willing to give all that FEMA money back while their at it. Oh and we'll pull out NASA and all the jobs/icome that generates. If it weren't for some "government intrusion" they'd be having to foot the bill to clean up all the Hurricane damage. Durr!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:03 pm |
  71. carlos

    Just one question:

    Where the heck was this moron when Bush was killing our country and spending billions ? I do not remember Ron Paul talking them... so his comments now are useless as well...

    April 21, 2009 at 12:03 pm |
  72. George

    If Texans wants to leave the Union - GO! In fact, HURRY - take your bigotry and flatulence and LEAVE NOW! We do NOT need you.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:03 pm |
  73. Don Cooper

    Threaten to close those military (Air Force) bases in Texas. That will finally shut them fools up !!!!!!!!!!!!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:03 pm |
  74. Ceboia

    I am totally in favor of Texas seceeding. We can use a buffer country between us and Central America. Think also of the increased income from expensive trips and tours to USA when the Texans need to buy things. It could be a win-win situation.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:03 pm |
  75. John

    I heard plenty of talk about blue states seceding when George Bush was elected. I thought it was stupid then, and I think it's stupid now.

    That still doesn't change the fact that our currency will soon be worthless. We'll need to do something. Maybe we we could stop trying to postpone the inevidible recession/depression with futile government intervention. The bail-outs are just making things worse.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:02 pm |
  76. George

    This is for you, Thomas, because you are clearly out of touch. A 30% pay raise because of no federal taxes? You are clearly lacking in any knowledge. 40% of American workers pay NO Federal tax. That percentage likely applies to Texas too. Anyone with an average family income of $60k or less likely pays less than 10% of total gross income in income taxes. But tell me, Thomas, how will you replace the Federal farm subsidies? Cattle subsidies? Federal highway dollars? Education dollars? And a long list of other Federal monies that now flow to Texas? Seems to me that Texas will need to pick up the slack and as a result tax Texans probably more than the federal government does. But you don’t see that. Of course border patrol will also become the sole responsibility of Texas, at their expense.

    And while were at it, secession in my book means surrendering your American citizenship. Bye bye passport. All Social Security and Medicare and Medicaid payments should stop, because, after all, you surrendered your citizenship. Why should other Americans be forced to pay for those benefits if you secede? They shouldn’t. And then, of course, being a sovereign country and all, anyone who actually works across the border in another state would need to stop doing so. Of course they could apply for a work authorization through USCIS, but I say the hell with them. While we are at it, it seems, as with any other “foreign country” on our border, we would establish customs and immigration stations on every road out of Texas.

    Seriously, Thomas, you need a better insight into reality. Secessionist talk is the talk of losers, poor sports, political hacks and right wing two bit, no talent TV stars who were kicked in the head a few too many times. Yes, Chuck, I mean you. Now if you don’t mind, I’ll continue being rational, unlike you. Oh, and since you want protection against the decline of the U.S. dollar, shall we assume that Texas will have its own currency? I bet the world is waiting patiently to get their hands on some Texas dollars, backed by nothing and which will be practically worthless on the currency market. Except, of course, as monopoly money.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:02 pm |
  77. Todd

    I love how so many people want to dismiss it and say "go ahead and Go Texas!"

    50% of all Jobs created in the US in 2008 were in Texas.

    1/5th of the nations GDP comes from, gasp, Texas.

    Texas would immediately become the 4th largest economy in the world, the 3rd largest military power, not to mention Nuclear armed.

    With the releasing of petrol producing regulations Texas would quickly become the #1 Oil processing country in the Western Hemisphere.

    Not to mention our already business friendly government that has dramatically lessened the blow of this recession, imagine what companies will do when they can just go to Texas instead of Asia or Europe to avoid the collapse of the US economy? You can see it now with businesses fleeing California for Austin and Dallas.

    I don't think we should do it, but if push comes to shove, we can do it and be very successful. Plus we already know Obama has no stomach for combat, he'd rather talk. You can see the orders to the SEALs for a measure of his lack of spine.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:02 pm |
  78. Joshua

    People were not happy with Bush. People were not happy with Clinton. And, now people aren't happy with Obama. When was the last time Washington did anything for anybody but themselves?

    America is a mess. Until everyone takes personal responsibility for their own actions, it won't matter who is in office.

    Ron Paul may have his historical facts backwards, but he makes a valid point that the people have a voice. That voice should be heard.

    I don't recall getting to vote on whether a trillion dollars was going to be given to a group of businesses that are failing because they are poorly managed. Maybe I missed the memo.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:02 pm |
  79. Alan

    The South Will Rise Again!

    Really though, if Texas Suceeded, over half their population is Latino. The whites would get overthrown. Either that and/or revolutionaries and military forces from Central and South America would start operating in independent Texas in order for the present white government to be overthrown, a new Che Guevara. So, I don't think Texas is going anywhere anytime soon. They'd be fools if they did. Remember the Alamo!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:02 pm |
  80. R.Lord

    That would be great if Texas, along with Oklahoma and Arkansas, seceded to form the Republic of Dumfukistan. They could have their very own royal family, with King W and Chuck Norris as prime minister. All the fools that still have "W" and "Bush 04" stickers on their SUVs could pump up the tires on their houses and hitch them up. Everyone would be happier!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:02 pm |
  81. Jerry

    Lincoln's Gettysburg address may be appropriate to read for all those politicians talking about secession. While the address by Lincoln was for the internment of Civil War soldiers killed at Gettysburg, it also perfectly lays out the reason Lincoln wanted the Union to remain and the grand experiment with self government to continue. If everyone who doesn't agree with government wanted to secede, none of who pay taxes would still be part of America. But, the idea was to change government for the better, not disregard it in favor of the prevailing popular opinion or because of the current unpopular opinion.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:01 pm |
  82. Earlydawn

    Anybody who espouses their state constitution as allowing them to secede from the Union is an idiot. The Constitution clearly forbids States from leaving the Union (Perpetual Union). Your State is bound by the Constitution (Your State is a signatory). If State and Federal law conflict, Federal law wins. (Supremacy Clause).

    Hang them.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:01 pm |
  83. ja

    suddenly people are so to polictics and this admin polices, but during the last eight years seems everyt stuck their heads in the sand, i'm no political scholar, but the Bush admin dictator style seem to excite the same folk that is talking secession and tea parties sounds like unpatriotic folk, short of covert racism, Bush stumble and fumble his whole reign, the oposition didn't even raise cain

    April 21, 2009 at 12:01 pm |
  84. Michael

    Instead of allowing the whole state of Texas to seceed, how about just allowing Crawford town seceed and then we can take it over militarily and place you know "who" under house arrest for high crimes and misdemeaners.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:01 pm |
  85. R.U. Kiddinmee

    Um, as so many have already said...

    Dissent IS American! Free speech IS American!

    And, in all fairness, accusing someone of being "un-American" because they spout whatever inflamatory rhetoric they feel like, IS American.

    You may not agree with what someone says but you HAVE to love the fact that they (and you) have the right to say it.

    That said, having been to Texas, and dated far too many women from Texas, I say let them go.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:01 pm |
  86. Gordo NJ

    Bush shifted some military units out of the North and into Texas and the South. It's time to reverse that process. These bases have amounted to huge US taxpayer subsidies for Texas and other states. Let them show they can survive and prosper without these government subsidies.

    Can you imagine the shouts of treason if Governors Paterson or Corzine suggested that NY or NJ succeed? They'd be hoisted on pitch forks by the Fox mob.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:01 pm |
  87. Texan

    The idiots are you people that like to stereotype Texans. We dont all ride horses, wear cowboy hats, and scream yeehaw....and we dont all agree with Rick Perry and Ron Paul about secession. So before you insult an entire state why dont you analyse your own states problems.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:00 pm |
  88. swiftj

    I think all this is a bunch of hog wash, i would love too see texas try that, without government backing c'mon really this is all precedated threw the eyes of republicans that hate the fact they lost the election and while president obama is trying to get this back where we were before mr bush damm i hate mentioning his name and the republicans messed up get a life you people this is just another stunt for them to have something to say negative about the brother in the WHITE HOUSE yeah boy"""""

    April 21, 2009 at 12:00 pm |
  89. Joe

    And one more thing, I read alot of comments about yeah we'll cut all the money off to Texas and they will be in trouble haha!!!! How sad. Don't you realize that this is our money. Not the Governments. Let me explain The federal Government Taxes us that is ow they get that highway money and the money to fund the VA. Why is it that we have to end our money to the federal government just to beg to get it back? I mean we need the money for the roads anyway? IT IS ABOUT CONTROL. THEY TAKE OUR MONEY AND THEN ASK US TO COMPROMISE OUR BELIEFS TO GET IT BACK!!!!! THE MONEY IS NOT THE GOVERNMENTS TO GIVE YOU FOOLS IT'S ALREADY OURS!!!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:00 pm |
  90. Chi Guy

    The definition of Secede: http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/secede?qsrc=2888

    WE DID secede from England, we were colonized and under British rule, we seceded 'from the association or political union" we were under. After all how in the world do you think they could tax us?

    Furthermore, Ron Paul is one of the only sound voices left on the political forefront of our country. He's got it right, "when the dollar bill collapses," what will you do with 'play' money? Burn it to keep yourself warm I guess.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:00 pm |
  91. Darren

    Holy S... This guy is certifiable. I can't believe he was a fairly serious consideration for President. Obama and his administration didn't get us into this mess. He and his team are very bright are only doing what they think is the right thing for the country. The Republicans have been a catastrophe on so many levels it is hard to keep track. Since their approaches have obviously not worked, why don't they at least give the new team one term before passing judgment. They might be pleasantly surprised.

    Texas is not going to secede. I suggest the Governor change his tune if he wants to stay in politics. Texans are some of the most patriotic Americans in this country.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:00 pm |
  92. Dave Norton

    Does US Constitution explicitly forbids "secession?" If not, by the 10th ammendment, the power of seceding from the union rests with the state ...

    "Anti-american", "treason" ... sounds like – you know who – is trolling this forum ...

    April 21, 2009 at 12:00 pm |
  93. Jackie in Dallas

    It is obvious Ron Paul hasn't read history. The 13 original states were colonies of England, not states - the United Kingdom doesn't have states.

    Neither our Constitution nor the articles of statehood for Texas allows for the seccession of states - we fought a bloody civil war about that point. The articles of statehood for Texas allows the state to divide into 5 separate states, but not to secede from the Union. The fact that we have a member of our government (unfortunately from my state, although I've never voted for him) saying it is OK is more dangerous to the U.S. than any handshake our President could give!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:00 pm |
  94. tOOn

    If Texas seceded, they would probably end up invading and taking over the US. Which side is better armed?

    April 21, 2009 at 12:00 pm |
  95. Alaine

    Finally, a great thought coming out of Texas. The government needs states a lot more than states need the government. The government should stay out of states' affairs, or they will eventually pay the price.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:00 pm |
  96. Brent

    Ron Paul is, as is almost always the case, right about secession.

    Due to the reckless spending of Obama, Bush, and every president of the past 40 years, this country has no stable future. We've been spending money we don't have for generations, and someday soon the bill will come due!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:00 pm |
  97. Michael

    I know it's just a lot of hot are, but wouldn't it be nice if they took their oil, their right wing politics and, above all George Bush, Mark Cuban and Jerry Jones and said Hasta La Vista USA.

    Without their oil we could get on with the business of alternate energy and fuel independence. Without their politics we could form a more perfect union and treat the poor and middle class as well as we treat the rich.

    And without Cuban and Jones, well if you know that a ball is round and meant to play with then you know why Bush can take these other two fellas with him.

    Michael

    April 21, 2009 at 12:00 pm |
  98. law student

    Texas should leave and teach the fed govt what will happen. Native Americans should also take back their land.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:59 am |
  99. Koby

    For Christ sake it's secession not sucession, Bush was born in Connecticut and every Texan I've ever met doesn't want to secede.

    April 21, 2009 at 11:59 am |
  100. Justin

    Go ahead and let Texas seceed. All Obama has to do is pull all U.S. military assets and federal resources out of Texas. How great does Texas think it will be without a means to defend itself; from Mexico, the drug cartels...

    April 21, 2009 at 11:59 am |
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