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April 21st, 2009
09:41 AM ET

Ron Paul: Secession is American

CNN's Kiran Chetry speaks to Rep. Ron Paul about Texas' governor's secession suggestion.
CNN's Kiran Chetry speaks to Rep. Ron Paul about Texas' governor's secession suggestion.

For ten years, Texas was a sovereign territory before joining the United States in 1845. It’s the stuff of legends that the “Lone Star State” could end the ties with the U.S. if its constituents want it that way.

Texas Governor Rick Perry, who's been highly critical of President Obama's stimulus package, raised the possibility that his state may one day secede from the union.

“We’ve got a great union. There’s absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people - who knows what might come out of that,” Perry told reporters last week.

The governor isn't the only one suggesting secession is not out of the realm. Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), a former presidential candidate, spoke with Kiran Chetry on CNN’s American Morning Tuesday.

Kiran Chetry: How serious is this secession talk?

Ron Paul: I don't think it's very serious. I don't think anybody called for secession, and I don't think the governor called for it. But he brings up an important issue. The biggest surprise to me was the outrage expressed over an individual who thinks along these lines, because I heard people say, well, this is treasonous and this was un-American. But don't they remember how we came in to our being? We used secession, we seceded from England. So it’s a very good principle. It’s a principle of a free society. It’s a shame we don’t have it anymore. I argue that if you had the principle of secession, our federal government wouldn't be as intrusive into state affairs and to me that would be very good.

We as a nation have endorsed secession all along. Think of all of the secession of the countries and the republics from the Soviet system. We were delighted. We love it. And yet we get hysterical over this just because people want to debate and defend the principle of secession, that doesn't mean they’re calling for secession. I think it's that restraining element of secession that would keep the federal government from doing so much. In our early history, they accepted the principles of secession all along.

Chetry: You said it's very American to talk about secession. It’s how we came into being. 13 colonies seceeded from the British. Are you likening the current situation to life under King George?

Paul: I think a lot of people are thinking that way. And I think that's what's important. People are angry. If we don't sense that, we don't know what's actually going on there. People are angry. I'm anticipating it will get a lot worse. When the dollar collapses and the federal government can't fulfill any of its promises, what if they send you dollars and they don't work. People aren’t going to have a violent secession; they’re just going to ignore the federal government because they will be inept. We'll be bringing our troops home and our empire will end. That's a different story. I think it's something we should talk about but we should institutionalize this principle. New England wanted to secede. No one challenged New England that it was unconstitutional in our early history.

Chetry: I want to move on to the bank bailouts. This is a source of a lot of contention. You've been opposed to them. Lately there have been some signs that perhaps it's working. Bank of America is turning a profit. Wells Fargo now saying they’re able to pay back the federal government and return some of that bailout money. In the end, could this have turned out to be the right move?

Paul: If a gangster steals money and he’s successful, you don't celebrate. Yeah they might be. This is just going to make the people angrier. They ripped us off, took all of this money, and now they’re making bundles? It's just an unfair system to penalize average people, inflate the currency and bring on another crisis and undermine the whole system.

So I would say a bank's success here and there is not necessarily something to celebrate. It's still pretty early. I don't think we're out of the woods yet to celebrate banks’ successes. What we have to realize is a lot of people stashed away a lot of money and took care of their bonuses and what not. You're not going to erase the anger that's come from that just because the bank made a profit. Like I say, it might make things worse.


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  1. Independent_Voice

    Personally, I wish Calfornia would secede and take they commie lovin' left-wingers with them. Texas could survive, even thrive without the USA. On the other hand, Californians would be a basket case.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:33 pm |
  2. cms

    Mr. Paul hits the nail squarely on the head again.

    Perhaps all 50 states should get together and seceed from the Federal Gov't and we can all start over (together no less).

    April 21, 2009 at 12:32 pm |
  3. Arnie

    Think ahead to what may happen with a mixture of economic realities, human nature and Right-wing politics...ask yourself the question what might happen?

    Texas can't support itself in its current status as an independent state. The loss of military and federal money will put an untenable burden on the populace, who will not be able to make up the difference. Simply Texas would have to revert and become a Republican party mecca of everyone for themselves and under continued pressure have to become a local from which to do nefarious business practices aimed at the U.S. The only way for it to survive would be to become a parasitic state with a strongly tied business/military government. Ironically, since it once was Mexico, it may become more politically alike to Mexico than the U.S.

    Think its far fetched...really...?

    Every Right-Wing nut job would try to implement their own ideal, and as we saw the utter failure of these policies under Bush, the same would happen in Texas. The same free wheeling policies and short term sight can't sustain themselves, the result would be greater collapse with the result would have to be war, as the Right would, as it always does, blame an outside entity for its own failures.

    Unchecked ideology not based on real world facts always collapses...

    The disregard the Right shows for or the constitution and representative government with their talk of succession, shows a party and philosophy crumbling away. This is a most dangerous time because the Right believes they are absolutely right, believes they have god on their side, and will stop at nothing to show they are right, even when they are clearly wrong!

    The world is truly on the brink of major disasters (yes plural). While most of the world is busy trying to shore up the dikes the Right is busy undermining its foundations with no care for the consequences and with the only goal of trying to regain power.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:32 pm |
  4. Brookfield Bill

    Your claim that the Tenth Amendment of the Constitution sactions seccession is a pretty “liberal” interpretation since neither the word nor even the concept of secession as an appropriate remedy is mentioned there. I guess the simplistic conservative mantra of literal or strict interpretation of the Constitution only applies when convenient.

    You also continue to ignore that Texas, Virginia and the rest of the South forwarded these same quasi-legal arguments in 1860 becase the federal government was too intrusive regarding the “peculiar institution” of slavery. If your grievances are so reasonable, why not try
    discussing them in our current democratic framework.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:32 pm |
  5. Mark

    Hope sad is it when a group of politicians mention what is being talked about by the people of the state. If you read and understand the comments from Mr. Paul and GOV Perry, they are not advocating succession. My question is simple, where is all the uproar of the Cap-in-Trade proposal, the Fan and Freddie bonouses that are being paid (which is from bail out money), for Mrs Pelosis calling immigration official, who are doing their jobs, un American? When is our Government going to stand up to the North Korea's and Iran's? Why should I have to give my tax dollars to pay for someone else house? Even when the coverage was over the tea parties, those who partcipate were called un American by Democrat leaders; yet ACORN can block home forclosures, and that is fine!! Who is the real hypocrits?

    April 21, 2009 at 12:31 pm |
  6. Daniel

    I just lost a lot of respect for Ron Paul. I knew he was crazy but to agree with Perry on secession is a new level of crazy.

    If I recall history correctly, Texas was on its own state because the U.S. at the time had not agreed to bring them into the Union.

    Why would any American talk about secession, I just don't get it. Childish!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:31 pm |
  7. Laurie Ark

    34 Republicn Electoral votes. Please Texas, get right to work on this. Secede please!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:31 pm |
  8. Andrew

    I don't get what's un-American about this. He didn't call for succession, just that the threat of it might keep our enormous, out of control federal government in line.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness.

    FYI: Perpetual Union was a part of the Articles of Confederation, not the Constitution.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:31 pm |
  9. Steve in Philly

    The Tax Day Tea Party rallies held across the U.S.A. were all about average citizens being fed up with the Federal Government. Washington, D.C. is home to the Ruling Political Class and their feeling toward the rest of the nation is "let them eat cake." Talk of secession stokes the flames of patriotic sentiment, and hopefully wakes up the B.O. zombies.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:31 pm |
  10. Tony

    Governer Perry talking secession after 90 days of Obama? Crazy, unprofessional, irresponsible. He and the rest of the paranoid right-wingers, like those hosting Fox News, need to come to terms with post-Bush era. I really hope they use their influence in a more contructive way. If they can maintain some sense of legitamacy, they can help steer Obama down the middle. But as it is, they are falling hard and end up looking like cartoon characters. Except no one is laughing.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:31 pm |
  11. George Street

    Hey, Paul, if you want a precedent for secession, look to the Civil War, not the Revolutionary War. As I recall, that didn't work out real well for those seceding.

    And tell me again, we're listening to you because ...

    April 21, 2009 at 12:30 pm |
  12. Nick

    Several reasons why liberals have not talked secession anytime in recent memory.

    First and foremost, because the nation, over the last 100 years, has grown progressively more and more liberal, a process which has severely accelerated since the 60's. They need only wait and all their political and social dreams are likely to come true.

    Even "conservatives" like Bush look more liberal than they ever have. Entitlement spending went up under Buch even from what it was even under Clinton.

    Secondly, liberals won't ever talk about secession cause they just don't have the stones to imagine something other than the status quo.

    To a conservative, the fabric of this nation is growing more and more against everything we believe in and hold dear. And most doubt the trend will stop anytime soon. So why wouldn't the conservatives of the nation start talking about secession? We would rather live in a nation that truly espouses and holds dear the same things we do. Especially when most of us believe things like abortion bring down a curse of blood guilt on the nation. Not to mention you cannot possibly spend your way out of a hole when it is wreckless borrowing and spending that got you there.

    If they do it, I'm moving to Texas. It's a good solution. Liberals would like to see conservatives out of power. Conservatives would like to see liberals out of power. A new Texas could write a constitution that would carry, embedded in it's language, greater protections against liberal insanity.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:30 pm |
  13. booGoh3a

    If I remember my history, you Texans are actually Mexican traitors. And now you want to be American traitors. Go to hell Texas.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:30 pm |
  14. Clifton

    One comment suggested that Texans would get an immediate 30% raise, not having to pay Federal Income Taxes. Sure, Why not? – but would Texas have an army, navy or air force? Would they seek to become UN members or become Isolationists? Would they be our allies or our foes? Perhaps we should reconsider the placement of the new border fence. Secession of any state, just because times are tough, is an bad idea from a reactionary politician who doesn't have a real plan, and apparently doesn't have a clue what it takes to build a strong America. I waited eight long years for change, and IF it doesn't come, we will have another opportunity to elect someone else in 3-1/2 years. I will wait to pass judgement, but I remain optimistic about our future. Our problems did not materialize overnight, nor will they be solved as fast as the pundits can spin.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:30 pm |
  15. happydadoffive

    According to the constitution you may talk about secession but not during time of war. Last time I checked we are at war. The same constitution that does guarantee free speech also says that the Gov and Ron Paul are to be executed for treason and crimes against the US. I know this is nothing more than political grand standing but they both picked the wrong time (the US being at war) to make comments like this.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:30 pm |
  16. Jamiecon

    Yes, please let Ron Paul, and any texan who wants to, seceede from the union. We can just move that border fence out around their perimeter. Yes, I think that's a fine idea.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:30 pm |
  17. Aaron Seattle

    Joan: You are also an idiot. Fascism and Socialism are on completely opposite ends of the political spectrum! Also exactly what is your source to say that ALL politicians are taking kick backs from drug cartels????
    Republicans act like children kicking and screaming on the floor of the grocery store b/c they can't get what they want. It's pathetic. If you think Bush wasn't a fascist, I suggest you look again.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:30 pm |
  18. Matt Shine

    Even if the US didn't fight a break from the union, the people of Texas would when they realized that they could no longer travel easily to the other states, lose medicare/medicade/foodstamps/FEMA after a hurricane. Other countries would probably turn their back on them, or use it like an Afganistan (staging ground for strikes).

    They would hate it, and would be cut off from pretty much everything they've known. Within about 5 years, portions of Texas would probably be begging to go back to the US, and it would slowly implode.

    In the US, no conservative would probably win a majority again (Texas has a lot of seats and electoral votes), and I'm sure a few morons like Lindsay Graham would head down there, but eventually come back with their tails between their legs.

    GO TEXAS. DON'T LET THE DOOR HIT YOU ON THE WAY OUT!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:29 pm |
  19. Brookfield Bill

    Jeff,

    Your claim that the Tenth Amendment of the Constitution sactions seccession is a pretty "liberal" interpretation since neither the word nor even the concept of secession as an appropriate remedy is mentioned there. I guess the simplistic conservative mantra of literal or strict interpretation of the Constitution only applies when convenient.

    You also continue to ignore that Texas, Virginia and the rest of the South forwarded these same quasi-legal arguments in 1860 becase the federal goverbnment was too intrusive regarding the "peculiar institution" of slavery. If your grievances are so reasonable, why not try
    discussing them in our current democratic framework.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:29 pm |
  20. Marc W. McCord

    The level of illiteracy in our country is portrayed, vividly, by the bulk of responses to what Ron Paul said. Instead of it being an either/or situation, it is BOTH simultaneously.

    In the first place, Governor Perry is an idiot Republican who allowed a Fascist President to do whatever he wanted without one single objection between 2000 and 2008. The same is true for the rest of the GOP and the morons who actually believe ANYTHING they say other than they intend to steal all the money for the benefit of multinational corporations and wealthy individuals in the Top 5%.

    In the second place, there are a lot of people in Texas who, regardless of which side of the political aisle they are one (including those in the middle, such as myself), feel that Texas SHOULD once again become an independent republic.

    Lost on most of you is the fact that Texas has EVERYTHING necessary to succeed without the rest of you, and for that you are jealous, so you slam Texas. We have seaports, major airports, NASA, major cities that are headquarters to many of the largest businesses in all existence, M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, Texas Instruments, an abundance of farming, cattle, oil, natural gas, almost all the world's supply of helium, natural resources and major infrastructure to support independence from a nation that thrives on cheating the average person.

    The idea of secession is not one of Republicans or Democrats. There are MANY Texans on all sides who feel this would be in our best interest, and if it happens, then someday the rest of you will start to realize that we are the glue that holds this land together.

    Now, in closing, I want to offer you a short history and geography lesson – George W. Bush is NOT a Texan! George W. Bush is a carpetbagging Yankee from Connecticut who moved to Texas. Now, ask yourselves why Connecticut never claims Bush as their own native son.

    To those who wish us gone, we don't need YOU, either! We can make it without you, but I doubt the reverse is true! It surely would be fun to find out.

    Oh, and one more point – Governor Perry needs to study history because Texas does NOT have the "right" to secede. That was something that was discussed when we came into the Union, but it was never codified in writing. But, Perry would not know that because he is, well, a REPUBLICAN, and Republicans do not believe in education!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:29 pm |
  21. Gary

    Ridiculous Right Wing Crapt! Thats why they arent in power now and will have a hard time getting elected again. I live in TX, this is stupid. We were a colony under King George not a nation we have reps and senators and votes. Your Idiot Right wing philosopht crapt lost. Get over it. Deal with it, and have a better candidate next time with actual ideas.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:29 pm |
  22. Ursula

    Ok.... so lets have some peace for a change! Let the red states go and the US will be blue and a much happier place!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:29 pm |
  23. AMERICA

    "I don’t think it’s very serious. I don’t think anybody called for secession"

    If texas did sucede they would be more powereful than the US in 10 years, who would fight for obamanation the Liberals...good one. Not a bad plan to get America back up and running actually.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:29 pm |
  24. Don't mess with US

    Let sell Texas back to Mexico and see how the good old boys like that!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:29 pm |
  25. Jason

    Why is succession a bad thing again, exactly? People keep saying, "Divided we fall", which was a great rallying cry back in the day - but we have to ask the questions now....."Really? Why exactly would we fall?" Heck, if we had divided along North / South lines in the Civil war, Europe probably would have swept in and carved us up further and we'd look a lot like Europe now. Why would that be so bad?

    April 21, 2009 at 12:28 pm |
  26. George T

    All this talk about Texas having NASA, that is a federal agency of the U.S. government. It will be gone. Defense industry? Why would the U.S. keep a defense industry in a foreign nation? Not likely. Gas refineries? Those are owned by American companies and, secede or not, still need to sell that gas or go broke. Oil? Same situation. By the way, all oil drilling is licensed and controlled by the Federal Government. Leases. Doubt they would be transferred to a secessionist state. And all those tech industries? Some just might think it is better to operate in another state if secession comes to pass. Someone mentioned not having to pay 30% federal tax anymore, already dealt with in my last post. But then the statement that there would be no more 7% state tax to pay either. Hmmm, if Texas has 7% tax now, hard to imagine they are going to say they don't need it anymore in the wake of no more federal dollar transfers to the state. It is after all a state tax, not imposed by the Federal government.

    This country is being torn apart by right wing Republicans who think they have some right to be a permanent dictatorship in this country. Their way, or no way. Makes me sick.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:28 pm |
  27. Jeff Little

    Some Moron yelled out:
    sure.. WE THE PEOPLE caused the current crisis, but yet YOU THE DEMOCRATS (or at least the LIBERALS IN CA, MA, NY) are responsible for the stimulus plan.

    Thats the First time I ever Heard GWB a Liberal...

    April 21, 2009 at 12:28 pm |
  28. Luke

    This is Ron Paul, not exactly the biggest supporter of Bush. No he wasn't saying anything about secession during the Bush years, because no one brought it up. He didn't bring it up this time, he is responding to a governor mentioning secession. Why does everything have to be Republican vs Democrats?

    April 21, 2009 at 12:28 pm |
  29. Mark B

    Rep. Paul needs to brush up on his history. No one raised a constitutional challenge when New England seceded? Really? That's because there was NO constitution at the time, Doc. Hey, I'm a Texan first kind of guy and suffer under the same delusion as most native Texans that Texas is the center of the universe, but this talk about seceding or breaking up into 5 states is a load of horse maneur. Rick Perry is worried about Kay Bailey challenging him in the GOP primary and he's trying to grab headlines because no one pays attention to him otherwise. That's why he said what he did. Texas has not been a sovereign nation for 164 years and lacks the economic and political infrastructure to make it as an independent sovereign. Besides that, do you really think the Federal government would let the second most populous state in the union quietly slip away? Do you think Texans would seriously consider fighting the U.S. military for independence? It's complete nonsense, and Perry and Paul should be talking about the real issues that face our state and our nation.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:28 pm |
  30. libertarian'09

    Do you people not realize that by CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT, any state may lawfully secede from the union if the majority of that state's populous sees fit... incredible I know... We also have the CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to overthrow our federal government in favor of the formation of a new one if the majority of the American people deem it necessary... now these two circumstances are improbable to the point of impossibility, but we do have the right! To denounce such talk as "TREASON" is the product of an ignorant and mindless sense of nationalism, and is, quite literally, crapping on your rights as an AMERICAN CITIZEN. Put simply, our founding fathers fought and died so that we may be free from ANY AND ALL PERSECUTION, be it from a foreign threat, or the threat of our own government. They were intelligent enough to know that even our great nation can err, and accordingly, provided the American citizen with protections against his own protector. This, to me, is an example of supreme wisdom; wisdom that our fathers fought and died for. We should never forget what it means to be an American... but it would be an even greater tragedy to forget what it means to be human.
    much love

    April 21, 2009 at 12:28 pm |
  31. Tony T.

    Well if someone from The Nation of Texas had every studied US History, they would have found a little thing called a ruling from the US Supreme Court written in 1868 – Texas v. White – which says:

    “The Constitution, in all its provisions, looks to an indestructible Union composed of indestructible States. [p726]

    When, therefore, Texas became one of the United States, she entered into an indissoluble relation.

    All the obligations of perpetual union, and all the guaranties of republican government in the Union, attached at once to the State. The act which consummated her admission into the Union was something more than a compact; it was the incorporation of a new member into the political body. And it was final. The union between Texas and the other States was as complete, as perpetual, and as indissoluble as the union between the original States. There was no place for reconsideration or revocation, except through revolution or through consent of the States.”

    Maybe if Texans were loyal, patriotic Americans rather than radical revolutionaries from "a whole 'nother country" they'd be aware of US history and our laws.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:28 pm |
  32. SissCo Kids

    To secede means to break apart from. Wikipedia definition of Secession is the act of withdrawing from an organization, union, or especially a political entity.
    When Governor Perry and Congressman Ron Paul ran for and were sworn into office, they promised to uphold the United States Constitution and act in the best interest of the United States. To threaten secession is to threaten to do harm to the very entities they swore an oath to protect. Disabled and minorities in Texas should fear for their very lives. Unfunded or partially funded mandates are all that stand between them and harm.
    Wikepedia's definition of treason is the crime that covers some of the more serious acts of disloyalty to one's sovereign or nation. .. A person who commits treason is known in law as a traitor. Both Governor Perry and Congressman Ron Paul are threatening harm to the United States as it stands. It is TREASON by any name or definition you assign it. They no longer want to work within the system they are suppose to serve because they are in the minority. Shame on them both. We have a system to deal with dissent. It is called voting.
    See http://www.SissCoKids.blogspot.com

    April 21, 2009 at 12:28 pm |
  33. Terry - California

    I discounted Ron Paul long ago. Texas is not going anywhere. When the next hurricane wipes out Galveston or floods Houston, watch how quickly the Governor of Texas calls the President and FEMA for help. This is all political "wind jamming". The problem is, these folks are talking to the minority of Americans, not the majority who now recognize a "talking head" when they see and hear one.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:28 pm |
  34. George

    All this talk about Texas having NASA, that is a federal agency of the U.S. government. It will be gone. Defense industry? Why would the U.S. keep a defense industry in a foreign nation? Not likely. Gas refineries? Those are owned by American companies and, secede or not, still need to sell that gas or go broke. Oil? Same situation. By the way, all oil drilling is licensed and controlled by the Federal Government. Leases. Doubt they would be transferred to a secessionist state. And all those tech industries? Some just might think it is better to operate in another state if secession comes to pass. Someone mentioned not having to pay 30% federal tax anymore, already dealt with in my last post. But then the statement that there would be no more 7% state tax to pay either. Hmmm, if Texas has 7% tax now, hard to imagine they are going to say they don't need it anymore in the wake of no more federal dollar transfers to the state. It is after all a state tax, not imposed by the Federal government.

    This country is being torn apart by right wing Republicans who think they have some right to be a permanent dictatorship in this country. Their way, or no way. Makes me sick.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:28 pm |
  35. Cameron

    Texas would be better off if they seceded, because like people have said everyone in the state would receive instant pay raises, and on top of that Texas has the worlds 8th strongest economy. So if Texas leaves the US, that would cripple the US economy, as well as take away many military bases.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:27 pm |
  36. Wolfman

    Wouldn't it be great if Texas did secede? I can just read the future news.
    "Former President George W. Bush was arrested at the U.S. border crossing in Oklahoma today. The ex-president, wanted for war crimes, was taken without resistance.
    He joins Karl Rove and Alberto Gonzales in jail awaiting their trials for crimes against humanity and starting a war of aggression back in the early 21st century.
    Still no word on the whereabouts of Dick Cheney, who is considered one of the masterminds..."
    Really, Texas, take your inflated attitude and leave if you dare.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:27 pm |
  37. Bob in Michigan

    We'll trump your secession and beat you to the punch.
    Texas–you're fired! (Pun intended)

    April 21, 2009 at 12:27 pm |
  38. jonny history

    Give Texas back to Mexico. It was stolen in 1836 by a bunch of slave owners. The US then went to war illegally ( if you thought Iraq was a fraud) to create even more slave States. That is why Texas was given the right to divide into 5 States. ( A right taken away when Texas was re-admitted to the Union in 1865.) Lets make Texans illegal immigrants and close the borders in Oklahoma!!!!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:27 pm |
  39. joe mcneil

    Ron Paul Certified fruit cake of 2009. Why the under 25 kids love him beats me.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:27 pm |
  40. Tim in NC

    Texas has Oil, thats it.

    Its not hard to imagine how fast a state, that is currently half desert and has limited natural resourses, would fall apart without US federal aid to not only support Texas' own programs, but to hold off the drug cartels in Mexico.

    These idiots talking 'secession' have no clue what reality would really be like if Texas, or any other state tried to stand on its own.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:26 pm |
  41. Joe

    I think I'm starting to understand some of this Texas hate going on. Alot of these people aren't proud of where they are from. In stark contrast Texans have a strong sense of community and history in our State. We are raised to be proud of our heritage. I know this sounds concieted, but I believe alot of people are just jealous!!! Do you really hate us so much because Bush used to be our Govenor. I don't think so. I mean If I was from alot of these other states I might have the same feelings. Thankgod I'm not From Another State though. BORN AND RAISED TEXAN AND DANG PROUD OF IT.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:26 pm |
  42. David

    Nothing would please me more than to get rid of Texas.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:26 pm |
  43. LJ

    Hope TX secedes from the union immediately. That way we don't have to endure another "Mentally Challenged" "Religious Fanatic" Texan as President! Perhaps Alaska could also leave the union.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:26 pm |
  44. Don

    First of all I am laughing at some of these ridiculous comments. Texas isn't going anywhere!! It's the governor who will be making an exit. You should watch what you say when you are coming up for re-election within a year!!! And secondly, do you really think secession would actually be that easy. I think not!!! Washington D.C. would not let us go without a fight. So, do you people actually agree to sending your sons and daughters down here to fight another civil war...come on!! I am a NATIVE Texan proud of the state and country I live in, not always proud of the persons running it. We need to send the Perrys and the Palins to an abandoned island so they can have their own little country to run. If you remember, the Palins were making the same comments in Alaska.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:26 pm |
  45. Matt Fay

    Wow! I'm sorry – I hate when political discussions to devolve into name calling – but judging by the comments I am reading here many of you are truly ignorant of history and political principles. Dr. Paul in no way said Texas SHOULD secede, only that secession is a legitimate political principle. A lot of people say "New England was seceding from England" not from America under the constitution. Dr. Paul is referring to the New England secession movement that preceded the war of 1812 – not the secession movement that led to our own independence. And as to the assertion by one commenter that the U.S. didn't secede from England – what would you call it then? As for the Civil War – yes, the South was justified in seceding, the reason they wanted to secede (maintaining a system based on human bondage) was not justified, but that does not mean secession is an illegitimate concept. Political bonds are voluntary, that is one of the founding principles of our nation.

    There were also several comments stating that Fox News-types would have called anyone who said this over the past eight years unpatriotic and treasonous – you are 100% right, so why does that make it acceptable for liberals to do it now to others? The answer is that it wasn't right then and isn't right now. And to those who asked, where was Ron Paul while Bush was destroying the country? He was speaking out against gross abuses of the constitution by the administration and warning against the impending economic collapse – just as he is doing right now.

    Finally, to those who make the claim that it is different seceding from a democratically elected government than from an unelected king, let me leave you with this quote from Enlightenment thinker Immanuel Kant, "Of the three forms of sovereignty, democracy, in the truest sense of the word, is necessarily a despotism, because it establishes an executive power through which all the citizens may make decisions about (and indeed against) the single individual without his consent, so that decisions are made by all the people and yet not by all the people; and this means that the general will is in contradiction with itself, and thus also with freedom."

    This is why the United States is a republic, based on the rule of law, and not a democracy based on the simple will of the majority. I understand where many of you are coming from, but please check your facts next time.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:26 pm |
  46. marv

    Does this mean The Cowboys will no longer be "America's Team"? BOOHOO.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:26 pm |
  47. DLG

    We fought a grueling war to 'secede' from Great Britain.

    The truth is that if some Texan's don't want to be Americans, they can move.

    I mean is there really this level of ignorance that you can just take your state and leave the Union? Is the Civil-War really forgotten?

    Oy.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:25 pm |
  48. Terrence Bahadur

    Texans should be thinking of secession. Their state can be its own country, so why carry the rest of us on its shoulders. We are all being taken to the cleaners by the Federal government. If Texans can get out from under the blood sucking Federal government, I say they should.

    Terry

    April 21, 2009 at 12:25 pm |
  49. Lil' Rhody Laura

    I, frankly, would be able to continue my life normally if Texas vanished tomorrow. Yes. I would.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:25 pm |
  50. Darcy

    We need someone in office with some tighter purse strings and respect for the money us Americans work so hard for. I'm sick and tired of it going to social programs and bailing out those who have been financially irresponsible. What do I get for being a responsible taxpayer for all these years? Where did the land of opportunity go for my children and their children? It went to bailout a bunch of idiots. I'm all for succession and Ron Paul so I can get my opportunity back. Give the working class our money back so we can invest in our futures.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:25 pm |
  51. Rob C

    I'd like to think we can be a bit more creative here. We are America, the capital of capitalism. Since we purchased Alaska, and Louisana... Texas goes to the highest bidder! And with the drug war (that has been IGNORED for the past 8 yrs), we should be able to unload for a very nice price.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:25 pm |
  52. Mike

    Of course Texas wouldn't be talking about secession when Dubya the self proclaimed Texan was in office, no matter how much of a retard he is. Obama did it again I guess..

    April 21, 2009 at 12:25 pm |
  53. Mike Christman

    What no body here seams to admit or know is that Texas statehood was never ratified by the other states. This was due to the debate on slavery before the civil war.
    Texas should leave as they would be much better off with their oil and other assets. They would no longer be controlled by the stupid government regulation which are going to kill the United States anyway.
    The blame game being played between both the left and right is proof of how far the present generation has degenerated too.
    Remember San Jacinto

    April 21, 2009 at 12:24 pm |
  54. NN

    They should let them secede..I don't think Mexico would want to have them either..

    April 21, 2009 at 12:24 pm |
  55. John McCarthy

    Its seems alot of you posters are misinformed of your history, and what our Constitution and the Declaration of Independance ( the foundation of our Constitution) stated. first, we did secede from England. You can call it any thing you want, but we had representation, but our representatives were being ignored. If you know your history, you would know that all the colonies had houses of representatives. the problem was that the king ignored them. Second, our constitution gives the people the right to abolish an abusive form of government. to paraphrase, "the government shouldn't be brought down for light or transient cause, but when a long train of abusives and ursupations exist, then it is the right of the people, and thier obligation to abolish that government, and form a new one".

    April 21, 2009 at 12:24 pm |
  56. Diane

    I say, let 'em go.......the output of oil and natural gas is far outweighed be their as$hole output, which is unbelievable.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:24 pm |
  57. Pete

    I think Texas should secede. The Federal Government should remove the space program from Houston, stop funding their universities, stop subsidizing their farmers, remove all federal troops, pack up everything they provide and leave them to be annexed by Mexico, because that's exactly what would happen.
    The Republicans are the biggest bunch of cry babies in America. WHen they have all the power, everyone else can go f*ck themselves if they don't like it, but as soon as they have to do stuff like compromise, they have their toddler tantrums and want to take their ball and go home. The level of whining on the right is unbelievable.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:24 pm |
  58. Joe

    I think I'm starting to understand some of this Texas hate going on. Alot of these people aren't proud of where they are from. In stark contrast Texans have a strong sense of community and history in our State. We are raised to be proud of our heritage. I know this sounds concieted, but I believe alot of people are just jealous!!! Do you really hate us so much because Bush used to be our Govenor. I don't think so. I mean is i was from alot of these other states I might have the same feelings. Thankgod I'm not From Another State though.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:24 pm |
  59. JR

    Lets see... Not that we (Texans) have the right to secede, but if we did...

    Lets note that Texas has historically been one of the last states in the union to enter a recession and one of the first to pull out. Not to mention we have an 11 Billion dollar surplus...

    I am not proud of the Bush years either.... I Find it funny though that so many ignorant people would be ready to just give Texas away. Especially since it seems to be a popular destination for a lot of out of work citizens of other states.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:24 pm |
  60. Dean

    While I don't think secession is likely, or reasonable at this time, I do think that it has a place in the checks and balances. We have three branches of government, we have a free press, we have separation of church and state, we have states rights. I think that secession is one of those 'sticks' that states can use in order to have some leverage over the federal government, and other states. If people care about keeping the Union intact, they will make concessions. If they don't, the 'oppressed' should be able to withdraw from the Union. We support it for other countries. Power corrupts, and anything that spreads power around is a good thing...

    April 21, 2009 at 12:23 pm |
  61. Jeff

    Also, talking about secession is NOT treason. The constitution clearly defines what treason is. There are only two things that count as treason... they are 'levying war agains the United States", and giving "aid and comfort to her enemies". The supreme court has also ruled that "levying war", as far as treason is concerned, requires an actual gathing of beligerents, plus an actual overt act of warfare is required.

    Most interesting though, is at the time the constitution was written, British common law included additional acts that were defined as treason. Specifically, in Britain, even imagining the overthrow of the government was considered an act of treason. The founding fathers intentionally left this definition out of the constitution.

    On top of all that, though, is that secession, as its defined, does not imply making war or any sort of treasonous act. Secession, is simply the formal withdrawl from a political union. At the time of the civil war, the confederate states believed that all they needed was a vote for secession in their own state legislatures to make it legally binding. In retrospect, the rest of the country decided not to accept that arguement, however that's not to say that other, non-unilateral, methods of secession can't exist. For example, what if a bill was introduced into the federal house and senate as to weather or not Texas should be allowed to formally break away from the union? If such a bill were to pass, it would meet the definition of secession, and at the same time would clearly not be treasonous.

    Anyone who calls for people who talk about secession to be rounded up and treated like traitors simply doesn't understand what treason (in the United States) or secession really is.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:23 pm |
  62. Dirk Diggler

    I'm so excited that Texas is leaving!!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:23 pm |
  63. Brad

    Not all of us voted for these big government Republicans and Democrats This is NOT a partisan issue. I am sick and tired of out of control deficit spending, bailouts of private industries, our deteriorating civil liberties, and the complete lack of respect for the Constitution that DC has demonstrated. US citizens need to look past the two party system if they want results. No matter who the people elect, all we get is more debt and more powerful government.

    Ron Paul 2012, "Common sense and constitutional government"

    April 21, 2009 at 12:23 pm |
  64. Daniel

    I think the point here is not succession but that people are angry with the state of national affairs. Everyone that supports Obama wants to blame Bush for the debt. Some of which should be placed squarely on the shoulders of the republicans but Obama's spending is going to new heights. He WILL bankrupt this country!!!!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:23 pm |
  65. BobC

    It's SECEDE not SUCCEED you numbskulls. How do some of you people actually manage to get yourself out of bed in the morning let alone discuss politics? Go ahead and flame away you dolts, I could care less (and that applies to Texas as well).

    April 21, 2009 at 12:23 pm |
  66. Shawn

    First and foremost, the state of Texas along with it constituents have the right to leave the Union if they please. That's their decision, but hope they understand that if they change their minds getting reinstated into the Union would be quite difficult. Rationally, the odds of Texas dropping out of the Union is small.
    What Ron Paul and the Governor of Texas wanted to debate was the concept/reason behind succession and how it pertains to the current situation of the federal government.
    Yes it is true King George was not voted into office, but the reason for the 13 colonies to sucede from England was due to many reasons but mainly high/unfair taxes and no representation. If King George was fair and did not treat the colonies as second class citizens then there would have been no need to part ways with England. Currently, many citizens feel that they are taxed too high and that their representatives in the House or Senate do not reflect their concerns. Nor due they take significant actions to fix problems. One must look at our federal government with its' three branches similar to King George. The government ala King George abusing their powers for greater control over the people. Whether it is a single King or a body of govrnment those with power tend to abuse power. I believe the citizens of Texas are fed up with holding the short end of the stick. The word "democracy" never appears in our constitution. Our country was not based upon democracy, it was based upon individual rights, liberty, and freedom. For example, if 26 states support the federal bailout money and 24 states are opposed. Should the minority, in this case the 24 states be subjected and forced to follow the 26 states because majority rules? NO! Each state, each citizen has a right and freedom to decide their fate. Texas is tired of being forced and told what to do by the federal government. The state of Texas has different agendas than let's say the state of Maine. Each state is different and unique, so we should let the constituents of each state decide their own future as long as they follow the constitution. PEOPLE LETS FOLLOW THE CONSTITUTION PLEASE!!!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:23 pm |
  67. Robert

    Did Ron Paul fall asleep after the second week of American history class?

    Has he forgotten that about 80 years after the "Good" secession. Texas did secede from the United States. Lincoln, Grant, and Sherman explained why it was a bad idea and that was when the Pledge of Allegiance was made.

    That same pledge that the liberals want kicked out of our schools that the conservatives try to defend and enshrine.

    I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the republic for which it stands: one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all.

    These are more than words people. They stand for the sacrifices of all men and women who died to bring about this nation.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:23 pm |
  68. PJ Yost

    How about if the entire population of this country seceeds from the two-party politcal system and actually gets some candidates who care about the PEOPLE? How about some TERM LIMITS? How about a constitutional amendment that requires our government to spend only the money it has? With things going the way they are Im suprised more states arent exploring this option. And in closing I have to say, Obamas spend-a-thon is NOT justified by anything Bush did. Get that idea of of your heads. Two overspending idiots, not just one.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:23 pm |
  69. Stephanie

    What makes me so angry about this is that when liberals are against war or don't wear red, white, and, blue on every national holiday we are called "un-American". It's freedom of expression! But some how deserting the country is ok, and totally American? I just don't see how you can justify that. It backwards reasoning like this that makes me confident men like Ron Paul should never be up election.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:22 pm |
  70. Bob Breuer

    Go ahead, Tex. Hope you get along with Mexico. . .build your own border fence/patrol, airports, highways, hurricane levy, army, etc.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:22 pm |
  71. Johnny

    I'm from South Carolina and we tried secession about 145 years ago. If you know a thing or two about American history, you can quickly acertain that the secession plan did not work out too well for our state or for the country as a whole. In fact, it was probably the greatest disaster in the state's history and the implications are still being felt to this day...

    April 21, 2009 at 12:22 pm |
  72. leigh

    Let Texas sucede back to Mexico and see how they feel then. At the same time can we give Flordia back to Spain?? I don't think anyone will miss it either.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:22 pm |
  73. Devil

    Ron Paul is the man,Rack him

    April 21, 2009 at 12:22 pm |
  74. drrandy

    And what would they do with Austin? That bastion of liberal ideals in Texas? Put up a wall around it? Sounds like history repeating itself.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:22 pm |
  75. Michael A

    I can't believe what I'm hearing. What i want to know is where do you peolpe find all this time to hate Texas. You say it's Un- American to talk about secession from the Union but so many of you are ready to see it happen. Just remember there are fifty stars on the flag and Texas is one of them.You are the Un-American's.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:21 pm |
  76. Ruf

    Ron Paul really does a good job of making himself look ignorant. The constitution wasn't even created yet when the colonies declared independence. Typical ignorant righty.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:21 pm |
  77. Eric

    Don't any of you have jobs to do? What a bunch of cry-babies just looking for drama.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:21 pm |
  78. Will

    I live in Georgia, and as poorly managed as this state already is, I shudder to think of what it might be like if taken from beneath the protective umbrella of a relatively more competent federal government. This place would fall to shambles, I've no doubt at all. And in no time we'd be back in the antebellum south, which, despite a bunch of rednecks' fiercely loyal opinings, was a highly stratified society with only two classes: very rich, or very, very, very very poor. And god forbid you get stuck in the latter of the two, cos you were gonna be there for the rest of your life, along with your children and your grandchildren. Trusting the states is NOT always a good idea!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:21 pm |
  79. Diane

    I say LET EM GO.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:21 pm |
  80. Carol

    I'm not sure everyone is so upset by this. There are a few people in Vermont who bring up sucession every few years when they don't agree with the federal government. I don't see the liberal press vilifying this guys when it happens. But I'd hate to lose Texas. Something like 90% of our oil refineries are there, NASA is there, and for the envirnomentalists, the largest or second largest wind turbine facility in the country.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:21 pm |
  81. PatC

    An oppressive Government is why we seceded from England, not because he is a king.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:21 pm |
  82. Erich

    Let them seceed from the US. They will dissappear into Mexico in a matter of days without the military.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:21 pm |
  83. Scott from Illinois

    “Whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness it is the right of the people to alter or abolish it, and to institute new government...”
    -Thomas Jefferson

    April 21, 2009 at 12:21 pm |
  84. cjr

    Rick – I can only assume you are from Texas and are probably a "bagger" Your comments lead me to believe that you are a right wing republican. obama is doing a great job in improving our relationship with the rest of the world – If you don't like him – fine but your comments are hysterical and racist. You really need to try harder and stop listening to talk radio.

    Ta

    April 21, 2009 at 12:20 pm |
  85. Andrew

    We'll see just how much better off is the Nation of Texas as soon as it's struck by its first hurricane or the drug lords attempt to move the border northward. Who you gonna call?

    April 21, 2009 at 12:20 pm |
  86. S Callahan

    One thing i like about Ron Paul is he forces dialogue....

    He's right about the succession issue...it's as American as pie..
    He's also right about the bail outs...it was the wrong thing to do to avoid a temporary dent in the economy...now when things dip it will be very deep...maybe a few years away..not too many...but it will be harder. Yet, through all this ..the American spirit is one of faith..so we will prevail and all is not hopeless. God is just cleaning house.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:20 pm |
  87. Will Bailey

    It's spelled "secession" .

    se⋅ces⋅sion
       /sɪˈsɛʃən/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [si-sesh-uhn] Show IPA
    –noun
    1. an act or instance of seceding.
    2. (often initial capital letter) U.S. History. the withdrawal from the Union of 11 Southern states in the period 1860–61, which brought on the Civil War.
    3. (usually initial capital letter) Fine Arts. a style of art in Germany and Austria concurrent with and related to Art Nouveau.
    Origin:
    1525–35; < L sēcessiōn- (s. of sēcessiō) withdrawal, equiv. to sēcess(us) (ptp. of sēcēdere to secede; see cession ) + -iōn- -ion

    Related forms:
    se⋅ces⋅sion⋅al, adjective

    April 21, 2009 at 12:20 pm |
  88. Bing

    It's Texas' incompetent ex-governor that got us into this predicament in the first place!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:20 pm |
  89. wiggspunk

    this guy is an idiot and a joke........ ron paul revolution..... yeah OK.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:20 pm |
  90. Larry

    That sounds good to me congressman, as long as you understand that it is not a revolving door, once you are out, there will be no crawling back like a scolded dog , crying that "you didn't mean it". We'll let you know , once you leave (and don't let the door hit ya where the Good Lord split ya), where to send the money you owe us, since you've been REVENUE NEGATIVE for decades.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:20 pm |
  91. Wyatt

    Ron Paul is the ONLY independent congressman left!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:20 pm |
  92. Ben Franklin

    Let them secede, then pass a law eliminating their access to satellites and Internet servers. No cell phones, no Internet, no GPS, no American TV; heh, see how long they last before the beg to come back.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:19 pm |
  93. The ideas that created the United States

    "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

    cant be treason if we have free speech

    "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness"

    If we have the RIGHT to abolish our government, how can it be treason to talk of leaving the Government

    April 21, 2009 at 12:19 pm |
  94. Desiree

    I'm sure that most people not from the state of Texas have no idea that the Gov. has no real power. When the TX const. was written they made it clear that the Gov would have no real power. The biggest power Perry has is that of popularity. He can talk all he wants about pretty much anything but the real power is with the people and who the people have to represent them.

    I live in Texas and have lived not only all around the U.S. but the world. I think if you ask the majority of Texans if they want to leave the Union they would say no.

    I think people are making a big deal of nothing. And for those hoping that Texas is going to leave the Union, get over yourselves.

    Even if we did leave you know you would miss the one of the greatest states. I mean no other state has as many songs written about it or hard-core patriots.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:19 pm |
  95. zack B

    Bye, who cares about Texas anyways. If that what they want great, they can pay to patrol their own borders and deal with the cartels on their own.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:18 pm |
  96. GT

    Are these people serious!!? First of all, the "will of the people" which Governor Perry seems to have such a problem with was clearly expressed in November, not even six months ago. Second, it is rediculous to say that the United States has a "tradition of seccession". Apparently Representitive Paul forgot about the hundreds of thousands who died in the civil war. How many times in the last eight years did we hear repulicans tell democrats "America, love it or leave it"? Apparently we now know how these two feel about America, and it's clearly not love.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:18 pm |
  97. Jakob brown

    the situation discussed here is different than the situation democrats seem to be expounding on, when they claim they would have seceded under the Bush regime. Here we are discussing the likelihood of the state seceding, there are individuals in other who i am sure share the opinion of the Texans who wish to make this move, but their ability to make the move doesn't exist.
    The likelihood of Texas seceding is pretty small, Even though it ability to exist on its own and prosper seems quite promising, the legality of such a move i debatable. Texas does have the legal right to split into five seperate states and gain 8 seats in the senate, this I could see happening long before secession.
    I think the majority of the comments on this board solidify the view ron paul takes, They are direct evidence that society has begun to conform to this idea that states must accept federal dominance and have no real defense, because , to quote a previous commentator " we voted for the administration". Well, just voting for someone doesn't grant license to any action that they take in office and require submission to those policies by the electorate. A state should not fear or hesitate to discuss possible actions taken in response to federal action. I think that it is important for texas to consider every possible option here.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:17 pm |
  98. Bing

    Maybe Mexico will take them.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:17 pm |
  99. Suke

    SECEDE.

    SECESSION.

    Not "succeed" or "succession." I'm not trying to make fun of anyone here, but if you can't spell it, you make yourself look uneducated and your otherwise intelligent argument loses its lustre.

    Anyway...

    My two cents:

    It has been argued above that this whole country – including Texas – voted Obama to the Presidency. Perhaps those who argue that this is not the case would care to comment on voting reform, something which is grossly overdue in this country. I'm not saying I have the answers, but certainly the election debacles of the past ten or so years would point to the need for change.

    Secondly – Ron Paul's opinion is the opinion of one guy who happens to have a very, very vocal following. I think it was Napoleon Bonaparte that said "the voices of 10 people are louder than 10,000 people who are silent." Just something to consider.

    I am not agreeing or disagreeing with President Obama's decisions as he is merely four months into his Presidency and I want to give him a chance, but I do think that those who are so vocally and diametrically opposed to Obama just because they have "sour grapes" over their party losing the election are doing a disservice to this country and are responsible for hindering any progress whatsoever. It's one thing to disagree and dig your heels into the ground; it's another thing entirely to disagree and work together to come to a solution which can strike a compromise. Those who serve this country in politics and claim to do so with this country's best interests at heart need to take into account EVERYONE'S opinions/thoughts/concerns, not just whether or not a particular thought or idea is "Republican" or "Libertarian" or "Democratic."

    Anyway – all that being said, if Texas wants to secede, why fight it? Seriously, I know all about my Civil War history and everything, and you can all scream "treason!!" and sound very patriotic indeed, but just supposing ALL of Texas wants to secede... why on earth keep people in the Union who don't want to be there?

    Let Texas secede. THEY can then deal with the border issues however they see fit. THEY can rebuild their hurricane-battered coastal areas and tornado-torn towns with their own money.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:17 pm |
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