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April 21st, 2009
09:41 AM ET

Ron Paul: Secession is American

CNN's Kiran Chetry speaks to Rep. Ron Paul about Texas' governor's secession suggestion.
CNN's Kiran Chetry speaks to Rep. Ron Paul about Texas' governor's secession suggestion.

For ten years, Texas was a sovereign territory before joining the United States in 1845. It’s the stuff of legends that the “Lone Star State” could end the ties with the U.S. if its constituents want it that way.

Texas Governor Rick Perry, who's been highly critical of President Obama's stimulus package, raised the possibility that his state may one day secede from the union.

“We’ve got a great union. There’s absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people - who knows what might come out of that,” Perry told reporters last week.

The governor isn't the only one suggesting secession is not out of the realm. Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), a former presidential candidate, spoke with Kiran Chetry on CNN’s American Morning Tuesday.

Kiran Chetry: How serious is this secession talk?

Ron Paul: I don't think it's very serious. I don't think anybody called for secession, and I don't think the governor called for it. But he brings up an important issue. The biggest surprise to me was the outrage expressed over an individual who thinks along these lines, because I heard people say, well, this is treasonous and this was un-American. But don't they remember how we came in to our being? We used secession, we seceded from England. So it’s a very good principle. It’s a principle of a free society. It’s a shame we don’t have it anymore. I argue that if you had the principle of secession, our federal government wouldn't be as intrusive into state affairs and to me that would be very good.

We as a nation have endorsed secession all along. Think of all of the secession of the countries and the republics from the Soviet system. We were delighted. We love it. And yet we get hysterical over this just because people want to debate and defend the principle of secession, that doesn't mean they’re calling for secession. I think it's that restraining element of secession that would keep the federal government from doing so much. In our early history, they accepted the principles of secession all along.

Chetry: You said it's very American to talk about secession. It’s how we came into being. 13 colonies seceeded from the British. Are you likening the current situation to life under King George?

Paul: I think a lot of people are thinking that way. And I think that's what's important. People are angry. If we don't sense that, we don't know what's actually going on there. People are angry. I'm anticipating it will get a lot worse. When the dollar collapses and the federal government can't fulfill any of its promises, what if they send you dollars and they don't work. People aren’t going to have a violent secession; they’re just going to ignore the federal government because they will be inept. We'll be bringing our troops home and our empire will end. That's a different story. I think it's something we should talk about but we should institutionalize this principle. New England wanted to secede. No one challenged New England that it was unconstitutional in our early history.

Chetry: I want to move on to the bank bailouts. This is a source of a lot of contention. You've been opposed to them. Lately there have been some signs that perhaps it's working. Bank of America is turning a profit. Wells Fargo now saying they’re able to pay back the federal government and return some of that bailout money. In the end, could this have turned out to be the right move?

Paul: If a gangster steals money and he’s successful, you don't celebrate. Yeah they might be. This is just going to make the people angrier. They ripped us off, took all of this money, and now they’re making bundles? It's just an unfair system to penalize average people, inflate the currency and bring on another crisis and undermine the whole system.

So I would say a bank's success here and there is not necessarily something to celebrate. It's still pretty early. I don't think we're out of the woods yet to celebrate banks’ successes. What we have to realize is a lot of people stashed away a lot of money and took care of their bonuses and what not. You're not going to erase the anger that's come from that just because the bank made a profit. Like I say, it might make things worse.


Filed under: Controversy • Politics
soundoff (1,136 Responses)
  1. Tim

    Please seceeded .
    The feds can end all money going into your state, pull out all the military close off travel into and out of Texas. You will be worse then Mexico in 3 months. If they want to comeback within a year, fine but all public official should be barred from ever holding any public office.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:25 pm |
  2. Jason

    it's kind of hard to listen to 50 democrats ranting about the definition of something that 90% of them can't even spell correctly. It kind of gives you some insight on their knowledge of the subject. For the record Dems... it's S E C E S S I O N. I'm sure you actually knew that.. you were just testing the free thinking libertarians like myself.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:25 pm |
  3. Mike

    Freedom is not free. My Dad, myself, and many other veterans would like to take you Ron Paul to a veterans cemetary where you could give us all a lesson on the price of buliding, protecting, and sustaining a Democracy.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:25 pm |
  4. Brubaker

    Secession? Excellent idea. Take your rednecks, your Bush family and your red state statistics (high unemployment, murder per capita, teen pregancy, welfare costs, etc. etc. ) and hit the road. The rest of the nation will be better for it. Except of course, for the cost to build a new fence on the border to keep you out... Maybe we can cut you lose and push you out into the Gulf?

    April 21, 2009 at 1:25 pm |
  5. Nick

    The Constitution defines treason in article III, and peaceful secession has nothing to do with it. That's why Jefferson Davis was never tried for treason: it was known that secession was not treason! It was understood during the ratification of the Constitution that the union was voluntary. To say that the Civil War somehow changed that is a might makes right approach.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:25 pm |
  6. Kenneth

    Not to mention 3.5 million Texans voted for Obama so I highly doubt they would stay in texas if it succeeds

    April 21, 2009 at 1:24 pm |
  7. Arthur

    There was talk to Texas secession during the Bush years, but since most of Texas was for Bush, you didn't hear too much of it. Secession should always be an option in a free society, as Dr Paul says.

    Legalize it!

    April 21, 2009 at 1:24 pm |
  8. Todd

    If Texas would like to Secede from the US, that is their right. But they should also fully understand the consequences.

    All US military personnel, equipment, and their families should be moved to the neighboring states. These people and equipment are sworn to uphold and protect the United States of America, not Texas if they secede.

    All government funding for border patrol should be called back and spread to the surrounding states.

    Would we care if the drug cartels are spilling over into Texas if they secede? I don't think so.

    Give the people of Texas the option to move, assist by force if required. I know quite a few people in Texas that would not agree with seceding. And if the majority of the northern part want to stay, then re-draw the border more to the south.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:24 pm |
  9. Terry

    As I recall, Texas reserved the right to sub-divide itself into five states. I think that should be done first and then have all FIVE secede. It would make a lot of us who are not enamored with Texas or Texans five times happier.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:24 pm |
  10. Annie

    Oh, brother. A Texan makes this mess we're all in, and now the whole state, like spoiled children, wants to take their ball and go home. With such silly talk, you show your politicians are still silly and superficial, and you are part of the problem and not the solution. A'ferd, Texas? Fight or flight? Texas picks flight. How brave. With countrymen like you...

    This is where the "flagwavers," "love it or leave it," "get over it Bush won," "my way or the highway" Americans stand. That's the irony, isn't it? If it's about money, oh, must save our country. If it's about rights, who cares? Where were the tea partiers when Bush lied about Iraq? Where were their voices when Bush/Cheney were destroying our Constitution? Is it, Texas, that you don't believe in that there Constitution or representative democratic government? You like dictator types who do whatever they want and in secret, legal or not, when in office?

    Go ahead, Texas. Secede. Just as long as you keep Dubya and take Dick with him. And Jeb. Oh, Phil Gramm too, who gave us the deregulation of the financial system and called people losing their jobs and life savings "whiners." And those murderers in Jasper.
    And we will build a fence around you.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:24 pm |
  11. proud texan

    you people are a bunch of idiots.he never said we were gonna leave the union he simply stated WE COULD. so how about one of you homo loving , baby killing , socialist cowards come on down to TEXAS and call the first TEXAN that you meet un-American. without TEXAS

    April 21, 2009 at 1:24 pm |
  12. mayaLeica

    To all you idiots talking about succession... Yes, Texas not only can, but has succeeded. It does very well as a state. What it cannot do is SECEDE. Learn English before you post.

    By the way, what makes all you secessionists think life would be so great outside the US. I can't wait to see how Texas mints money. Oh, and all those federal dollars for the roads... gone. We can better use them elsewhere. And, while you're at it, why don't you take South Carolina along with you.

    The whole topic is ridiculous! Perry is a fool; he almost makes GWB look smart, and that's saying something. and Ron Paul? Never mind. He's also a fool.

    Let's work toward improving our country rather than tearing it down. Disagree with President Obama if you like (I disagree with him on one major issue: Cheney and company ought to be prosecuted for war crimes); only if you do, please offer some constructive response. NO is not a platform.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:23 pm |
  13. Mark

    If ANY state would Seceed and adopt a mantra of NO Republicans and NO Democrats, perhaps taking it further by electing only selfless, practical, intelligent leaders, I'd move there in a minute.

    The Two Useless Party System has destroyed the country, while lining politicians' pockets with bribe money. It's just fundamentally wrong that my children will pay the price for their arrogance, stupidity, and self enrichment.

    Speaking of Treason, I'd love to see an initiative to prosecute any politician that accepts money from a third party, while pretending to serve this country.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:23 pm |
  14. David in Houston

    As a native Californian who has lived in Texas for over 50 years, I find it to be gross ignorance – or hypocrisy – or both for people who have never even visited Texas to be bashing it so thoughtlessly. The vast majority of people I have met in my 50 years, who moved here from others states, absolutely love Texas, and its people; and they have remained here! You posters who take potshots from across the Red River are just blathering what you've heard from the liberal media. You are all so wrong, it's laughable! And believe me, the rest of the nation would sorely miss the products and productivity of the Lone Star State. I think you're all just jealous!

    April 21, 2009 at 1:23 pm |
  15. Who's Angry

    The only group that will always be disappointed is the group of Americans that only want a Republican in the White House. Soo long Texas!!

    April 21, 2009 at 1:23 pm |
  16. TIRED

    Texas can secede... as long as they make "W" their president... see how long they last then. Texas would just become another country wewould have to support and give humanitarian aid too. I'm embarassed by how immature the GOP is acting... give the man a chance, oh and how about a full 100 days before we blame him for everything wrong with the country. If Texas were to leave the U.S. (which they won't) first thing that needs to happen is all U.S. property needs to be removed... fighter jets, bombers, munitions, etc... along with pulling out all U.S. Military personnel...excluding Texas residents who wish a dishonorable discharge to stay in their new country!!!

    April 21, 2009 at 1:22 pm |
  17. Jery Konh

    Thank you Ron Paul for keeping the true spirit of politics alive!!! Bless you, bless you, bless you. And God bless America whatever it will turn into.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:22 pm |
  18. concerned

    When you have a government that fails to recognize the wants and needs of the people, and continues with their own agenda what do you expect the people to do? We need to remove all of those in government that do not listen to what the majority of the population want. The government created the problem and are solely responsible.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:22 pm |
  19. dave

    For everyone who asks about secession during Bush or says Democrats didn't try that during Bush's term, try Vermont on for size.

    And no, they were never called "treasonous", because back then, dissent was "patriotic". Only with Obama is it evil and wrong.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:22 pm |
  20. kris

    Our own Declaration of Independence states: "Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, — That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it..."

    Paul's point is that– antithetical to our nation's founding principles of accountability and checks and balances–our federal government (republican AND democratic administrations) no longer answers to the will of the people. They make immoral financial/economic decisions, based on politics and corporate interests, rather than the best interest of the American public. And when the accountability of a governing entity ceases to exist, it is the inalienable RIGHT and responsibility of citizens (and states) to take whatever measures necessary to defend their freedom. He is not recommending secession - he is offering the idea as a PRINCIPLE - a reminder to take whatever means necessary to keep the powers that be accountable.

    Not that it matters - apathy and acquiescence are trademarks of our society now. The federal government does as it pleases because it CAN; Americans lack the spirit of revolution and dynamicism that once made this nation great.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:22 pm |
  21. Terrible swift sword

    If we'll recall our US history, some 600,000 (about 1 out of every 50) Americans died between 1861-65 over whether states could secede because they didn't like the policy ideas of an inexperienced new President from Illinois.

    Back in 2002, Dick Cheney and the gang called you unpatriotic and an ally of terrorists if you dared utter any misgivings about the orchestrations leading up to Iraq.

    Now elements of the party of Lincoln want those who sacrificed their lives to have died in vain, as Abe beseeched us to never allow? And it's somehow OK for Ron Paul, Rick Perry and other associated right-wingers to whiz on the graves of the Civil War dead by breathing secession?

    Secessionists are treasonous, pure and simple. They were then, and they are now, and they are hypocrites on top of it because most of their supporters were strong-arming legitimate dissent into silence earlier this decade.

    Hang 'em.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:21 pm |
  22. Florida Longhorn

    for those of you who dont live in Texas or dont know what is happening on the political scene here, Governer Rick Perry's call for seccession or independence or whatever you want to call it was done for:

    POLITICAL REASONS.

    HE IS ABOUT TO BE IN 2010 ELECTION BATTLE WITH US SENATOR KAY BAILEY HUTCHINSON, a republican as well, from Texas, for the governership of the state, so he less than a year until the repub primary....

    he has/had to have a "rallying cry" for his base, the moonshiners, the banjo players, the hunters with their NRA cards, the fisherman, and all the pundits who are playing the "states right" card....

    Texas will cause so many problems from themselves should they try to leave the United States for whatever reason.

    issue #1) the border....what is Governer Perry going to do to control the rio grande? Messicans and others will run wild into Texas, and with Homeland security there to provide support, it will only be a matter of time before Mexico tries to take Texas back by force, or the drug cartels move their violence north of the border...

    issue #2) US possession inside of Texas....military bases....courthouses, federal Reserve buildings, the strategic oil reserve in Winnie.....how will Texas be able to pay the USA for those possessions, or will the USA have those bases inside of Texas like the ones we have in Germany, Korea and Japan

    issue #3) Fortune 500 companies and buisnesses...this could be issue #1.....Exxon Mobil will be based in a foreign company...so will Continental Airlines, American Airlines, darn near all of the energy company's like BP, Conoco Phillips, Marathon Oil, the refinerys on the Houston and Corpus Christi ship channels, and other major companies that call Texas home......they would surely up and move out of Texas, a foreign country, and back to America

    April 21, 2009 at 1:21 pm |
  23. Matt

    Wow, this board sure is full of idiots who apparently either didnt read the interview or didnt complete a basic 7th grade English class.

    1) Paul is not advocating secession. He is simply saying it's improper to attempt to villify (and/or kill) those who suggest as much.

    2) The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. Therefore, continue labeling it as "treason" only if you are comfortable admitting you dont know the definition of the word.

    Secession is a dumb idea, but that doesnt change the fact that obviously most of those who have replied to this article apparently have an IQ comparable to that of a toaster oven. And not one of those expensive, fancy ones either.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:21 pm |
  24. morgaffi

    Texas leaving the union? What a splendid idea! Why didn't WE think of this?

    Yes, please Texas, go away. And kindly take Florida, Utah, Idaho, Mississippi, and all other states with a collective I.Q. of less than 60 with you. Take your death penalties, your gold-leafed bibles, your NRA branches, your tax -revolts, and your "intelligent design" theories as well.

    Just drop the rest of us a line every Christmas and let us know how you're doing. On second thought, don't bother...

    April 21, 2009 at 1:21 pm |
  25. C

    I think we should go back to the old ways when people fought for what they wanted. If Texans want to secede, there's nothing intrinsically wrong with that. If the government wants to try to stop them, they can. The truth is you can try to do what you want and you might succeed. That's what I think a lot of people have forgotten.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:21 pm |
  26. Seth K.

    I used to think that CNN readers, liberals, were generally more educated and thoughtful than Fox readers, neocons, but the uniformity of comments here lead me to believe otherwise. Do all liberals sleep through their American history and Constitution classes? Or were they all just so toked up that they thought all those pretty words in the Declaration were metaphorical prose about wildflowers and unicorns? Get a sense of purpose people! Try believing in something, even if it is just your own ability to interpret words on a page. Go back and read these documents and see what they say. Then come back and offer some intelligent critique, rather than all this childish name calling.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:21 pm |
  27. Ron

    If States can vote to enter the Union, why can't States vote to leave the union?

    Remember, the bloodshed of the Civil War was solely due to the decisions of the Federal Government. If they had allowed the South to secede, there would have been no war (and I say that as a "yankee" myself). If a State doesn't want to belong, why force them?

    April 21, 2009 at 1:21 pm |
  28. Victor

    I dont think Ron Paul was saying we "should" secede, he is stating that the threat of it is good because it keeps the Federal govt. out of state business. Reducing the federal govt. footprint is a good thing. If we do not stop the fed govt from getting much bigger, then eventually they will own and control everything. It has already started...

    April 21, 2009 at 1:20 pm |
  29. Jaso

    The US can't afford to build a wall, too many social programs need the money. Texas would need to put a wall up on the border states and do it prior to the one on the border. I can just imagine the flood of people who would finally get a clue and want to come to Texas and escape being taxed to death.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:20 pm |
  30. Russell

    Independent Texas is a great idea, We dont need the peoples republic of California.

    I am suremany in Washington would be glad to see Texas as a seperate country.

    We have everything we need right within the state borders.
    Oil
    Ports
    Electricity Generation
    Refinaries
    Agriculture
    Healtcare
    Workforce

    See y'al at the northern border, bring your passports....l

    April 21, 2009 at 1:20 pm |
  31. CM

    Hey Chuck –
    Take a history lesson yourself
    People who came over here, worked hard, and lived the american dream were getting something for nothing: LAND. And the reason they were getting it for nothing is because we were stealing if from native americans. Also, read some history books about things like the chicago meat packing industry and other trusts. Not everyone was living a dream... We are right to help those who truly need it.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:19 pm |
  32. Prentice A. Ables, Jr.

    Whether or not the good citizens of Texas decide on succession, there is one stipulation that I feel must be followed. If you are not a true Texan, someone with a valid birth certificate proving you were born in Texas, you should not be allowed to vote on such a proposition.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:19 pm |
  33. Dante in Madison, WI

    I'd love to see what would happen if they did secede when something like a hurricane hits... or when they need to do trade and business with "other countries"... not too bright of an idea I'm thinking...

    April 21, 2009 at 1:19 pm |
  34. Brookfield Bill

    How come all the people up in arms about new economic policies enacted through democratic institutions weren't marching and screaming when Bush claimed unlimited power to monitor our phone calls and emails? That is real intrusion.
    I also remember once that a lot of states thought the federal government was too intrusive in requiring desegregation of their schools and universities. What crucial states' rights are we actually talking about here?

    April 21, 2009 at 1:19 pm |
  35. Laughing

    It surprises me how ignorant these comments are and how many of them are implying treason. Secession is NOT treason, and neither is impeachment.

    I believe all that Texas can legally do is split into 4 different states. And for all of you morons out there... We don't need or want Texas to secede. It would be bad.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:19 pm |
  36. Rickymo

    Although I would love Texas to go away (it sent George W to the White House) and I am sure there are others just as scary waiting in the wings but everyone has the right to free speech now matter how silly it is.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:19 pm |
  37. JOE

    OD April 21st, 2009 12:42 pm ET

    Texans found God after 9/11 and became more American than thou under Bush, but make no mistake: a Texan is NOT an American and NEVER will be. Texans are a bunch of pig-ignorant hypocrites. They are American and patriotic when a reckless big-state Republican is in the White House, and spout treasonous ANTI-American and PRO-Texas secessionist B.S. under a fiscally and economically responsible Democratic president.

    They are just a bunch of ridiculously misguided, greedy, trigger-happy idiots who would say and do anything to get what they want.

    People like Ron Paul deserve to be tarred and feathered and then strung up with a good ole Texas-sized rope from the tallest tree in Texas!! We’re gonna need a hell of a lot of rope! That’ll learn’em retarded cowboys not to mess with America!!! U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A !!!!

    Too many idiots, but this one really pisses me off. You are a coward sir. I am not retarded or a cowboy, you cuturally ignorrant coward. I and EVERYONE in my family have strapped on a uniform and served, have you? I was patriotic before 911, and me and my brother both joined special forces in seperate branches in 1997/1998. I am not a fan of W bush, as he is an idiot. I am also an Independent, not a Republican. I think your absolute disregard for the truth of life in Texas shows you are a mis-informed coward. Like I stated earlier, I am a blues guitar player from Austin, TX, I am a former defender of the constitution from enemies foreign and domestic, and I am also a father. Dont you dare label me or anyone else in Texas until you have lived our life. You are a coward and a lis-informed blowhard sir!

    PS I dont need a gun (in reference to your trigger happy comment) to unleash a Texas sized can of whoop ass on you. I choose to do it by writing blues songs about people too stupid to vote!

    April 21, 2009 at 1:18 pm |
  38. Lauren

    oh my gosh these comments are hilarious!! really texas, self-sufficient without the united states? in the words of marc:

    "Lost on most of you is the fact that Texas has EVERYTHING necessary to succeed without the rest of you, and for that you are jealous, so you slam Texas. We have seaports, major airports, NASA, major cities that are headquarters to many of the largest businesses in all existence, M.D. Anderson Cancer Center, Texas Instruments, an abundance of farming, cattle, oil, natural gas, almost all the world’s supply of helium, natural resources and major infrastructure to support independence from a nation that thrives on cheating the average person."

    yes, because nasa would remain in a non-us state and all those companies that own the resources you mentioned would stay as well despite the massive repercussions the us market would inflict on them? the attitude that texas has everything they could possibly need to form their own country is amazingly arrogant and insulting to the rest of us that live in other states.

    anyways, to the point of the article, the governor and ron paul and whoever else in the world has the right to talk about secession all they want, but it's not a productive response to anything in the real world. we have serious problems, and a positive dialogue is what is needed not this reactionary stupidity.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:18 pm |
  39. Al A

    In 1845,at Texas's admission to the Union, it had the opportunity at that time to divide itself into five states, with 3 being free and the 2 southernmost open to slavery. After secession,defeat and rehab (Reconstruction), Texas was readmitted to the Union and was again allowed to send an apportioned number of Representatives and two Senators to Congress.Since the Civil War decided the question of states right to both slavery and secession, Texas has missed its chance for either.

    I fear that the people of the other 49 states will take these redmeat dropouts (Paul,Perry and their ilk) seriously and insert the national enema in Houston.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:18 pm |
  40. Read

    I'm a Texan. This is the best troll ever. So funny the discussion here. Texas will not secede from the US. It was just a firecracker thrown into a crowd to try to win votes of the militant minority we have. "Look at what the evil Democrats under Pres. Obama are doing." Perry is scared of losing his office to Sen. Hutchinson (which he will).

    Also to all of you "go to hell Texas" and "they can't secede soon enough" people, I wish I could muster up some venom for your state but you just aren't a blip on the radar. You know why there are no Maryland talking secession discussions? Because no one cares enough about Maryland or most of the other states to respond.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:18 pm |
  41. Terri

    I think I just lost most of my respect for this man. Too bad, there are so few left in the GOP I thought one might make it. Trying to save a Bush, Cheney, et al prosecution by threatening secession?

    April 21, 2009 at 1:18 pm |
  42. TheModernDespot

    Ron Paul has always had a little bit revolution in America. Maybe in 50 years, but not now.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:18 pm |
  43. Ray

    Texas can leave...only if they take Oklahoma and Kansas with them ;).

    April 21, 2009 at 1:17 pm |
  44. Don

    I wasn't born or raised in Texas, but I live there now. I think secession is silly and that Texas-as-a-nation would not survive. I disagree with Gov. Perry's comments. Nevertheless, I'm put off by many of the comments here. People are saying we don't need Texas. Well, which states do we need? Others say Texas should leave because it "produced" George W. Should we banish Wyoming for producing Cheney? What about dropping Illinois for Blagojevich? And, when did "the Republicans" start suggesting secession? Perry is one Republican and not the voice of all Republicans. I wish people everywhere, including Texas, wouldn't be so hateful towards each other. We can choose to be better.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:17 pm |
  45. Dave Curry

    As a Texan, just when I thought that Rick ('Governor Good Hair') Perry was the biggest embarrassment to Texas currently around, Ron Paul manages to top even him. I expect Perry to utter such inanities as 'secession' in his shameless pandering to the hard right wing of the GOP, but Ron Paul apparently has only ignorance (wilfull or otherwise). Secession was not universally supported in the early days of the republic. And apparently both Perry and Paul weren't paying attention in American History or else they would remember that not only has secession been ruled illegal, but more importantly, the issue was settled on April 9, 1865, according to R.E. Lee.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:17 pm |
  46. Vanessa

    I am very surprised that Kiran Chetry allows her subject to go on about the 13 colonies and makes no mention of the Civil War. It feels like this segment was designed to incite and bait rather than have a realistic discussion about the topic. Increasingly, CNN has become infotainment rather than real news. Christiane Amanpour and her original colleagues must be very sad.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:17 pm |
  47. buck fush

    Just wait for another hurricane and flooding to strike and Texas will grab all the federal money they can get their dirty paws on. After 8 years of hell, America can not deal with republican bs anymore!!!!

    April 21, 2009 at 1:17 pm |
  48. Matt

    Some of the comments below are vilifying Ron Paul as a Republican and asking why he was not saying this during Bush's presidency. Ron Paul does not support many of the current Republican values and did not support many of the Bush policies. He represents what true conservatism is. And he didn't make the comments ... he's just supporting them.

    It really shows how far we have gone from our Constitution when we can't even discuss states rights and sovereignty of a state without calls of treason and anti-Americanism. The reason the federal government has so much authority over us and and makes blanket laws is because we have given that power to them when it really should lie with the states. It was never intended to be that way. Someone already said it guys ... time to wake up ... the Republican and Democratic Parties are two sides of the same coin.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:16 pm |
  49. Woody

    Let them go, then we could justify invading them to overthrow a brutal dictator (Rick Perry/ George Bush wannabee) and take their oil. After a few weeks we could say "Mission Accomplished" and have enough oil for the whole country without having to pay for it. Right? Morons.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:16 pm |
  50. Susie

    Yes, good idea. Let's secede so that President Perry can deal with the Mexican drug gangs on his own. Just give me enough heads up to move out of this redneck state.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:16 pm |
  51. Texas

    For all you CNN junkies, we'd love to secede (no I don't watch Foxscrews). The problem is the federal government won't allow it without violence.

    Funny... you _____ (insert liberal or conservative) talk as if your way is the right way. Believe it or not, there are other viewpoints and they should be discussed. You guys are nothing but sheep being led to the slaughter and don't think past the next election.

    Why should we bail out ANYONE? Let them fail. Why should we spend our way out of this mess? Let the mess clear itself up. This isn't about left or right, it is about big or small. Left wingers want more freedom, right wingers want more freedom. Then allow each to have his own... under a constitutional republic.

    Quick, go look it up and see if you don't agree. It is what this country was supposed to be before it was hijacked. I don't want to tell you anymore how to live than I want you telling me how to live. That is what we call freedom.

    Want abortion rights? Move to a state that accepts. Want pro life? Move to a state that accepts it. The problem is, we have 350 million people divided all trying to play in the same sandbox. Why do we all think we have to live in the same sandbox? Why can't we all have our own sandbox to play in? If you see a state sucks, leave it and get a whole new set of circumstances to deal with that you like better.

    So when you say we should "go ahead" and secede. The choice is yours... continue to trample the rights of the ____ (again pick your party) and the other will revolt. It is inevitable.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:16 pm |
  52. Alexander Bell

    FACTS AND ANALYSIS
    Digging through the latest unemployment numbers by States (re: http://www.jobrica.com/_RESOURCES/UnemploymentStat.aspx ).
    So far, 6 US States have reached the highest unemployment rate in 2009 (since 1976)
    ---------------------------
    State in the US / Highest Unemployment
    1 SOUTH CAROLINA 11.40%
    2 CALIFORNIA 11.20%
    3 NORTH CAROLINA 10.80%
    4 FLORIDA 9.70%
    5 RHODE ISLAND 10.50%
    6 GEORGIA 9.30%
    --------------------------–
    There is plenty of room for thinking:
    a). What all these above-listed States have in common economy-wise?
    b). How North Dakota managed to have a lowest Unemployment rate of 4.2% ?
    c). Regarding Texas with its Unemployment rate of 6.7% (btw, approximately in middle of its historically highest/lowest), which is RELATIEVLY LOW comparing to the current US average, the same question to apply: What is the key to their successful State-wise macro-economy management and Labor policies?
    -----
    Summary: Obviously, some States are doing a way better than others. Would it be a good idea to analyze and extent their best practices nation-wide?
    Thanks and regards,
    Dr. Alexander Bell, NY, USA

    April 21, 2009 at 1:16 pm |
  53. Agree and Disagree

    Ron Paul is right that there is nothing wrong with talking about secession. I think that for some states it would be a good idea. The point on which I disagree with him is the examples that he uses in support of his argument. He is wrong in pointing out our independence from England and the U.S. assisting other countries in their efforts to secede as proper examples of secession. Why doesn't he talk about the most recent secession in this country, when South Carolina seceded in the 1860s? Oh, I know, because that was a huge disaster that completely destroyed the economy of the South, resulted in Lincoln's assassination, and nearly tore the country apart. Ron Paul supporters need to see past him. He's a fool.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:16 pm |
  54. J.R.

    This is complete stupidity. Apparently Paul and Perry need to go visit Gettysburg, Shiloh or Antietam. You cannot casually talk about secession in this country. Close to a million people died in our Civil War and deserve respect for the cause for which they fought. The preservation of the Union.

    Would some please give these two morons a history book.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:16 pm |
  55. Michelle

    Are you guys still talking about Bush? I thought this was a new administration and we were going to get change. What we have is a whole lot of the same old same old. Just a different face in the white house.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:16 pm |
  56. JohnK

    Let them go. See how far they get with all federal funds lost to them.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:16 pm |
  57. VegasVic

    Why do all the liberals convieniently forgoet that Vermont wanted to seceed from the US under Bush?

    April 21, 2009 at 1:15 pm |
  58. Rob

    Texas has it built into their statehood docs that they can secede. Anyone can read the news and realize that Obama caved to wall st. and gave them what they wanted without any checks or balances. Does anyone recall the "honor system" comment the press secretary made. How ridiculous. I live in Texas, i dont want to secede, but somehow Washington has to be accountable for what they are doing. This is the Obama debacle, not Bush. This is an Obama solution and he was the one with his Treasury Secretary that handed out the money, not Bush. As you recall, most Republican Congressmen were voting against the bailout with the 80% of the public that felt it was wrong too. When that many of the people are against something, DONT DO IT. Let the banks fail, restructure, write off bad debt. Let the Car companies fail, restructure, get rid of the bad labor contracts and get back on their feet. We the people should not own private businesses.. Abolish the privately held FED and give power back to Congress to decide the fate of our currency. Private companies should not decide what happens with the People's money.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:15 pm |
  59. Gary

    It's nice to see that people are finally waking up to the fact that Obama is bad for and has lied to America. I can't stand Texans but I'd move there rather than be ruled by a socialist muslim!

    April 21, 2009 at 1:14 pm |
  60. Vince

    To John from AZ , what we have is actually worse than socialism, it is corporatism which is a form of fascism as defined by Mussolini himself. Since 1913 we have a private bank controlled by congress issuing and controlling the money supply. In other words private ownership and government control. The financial crisis is being used as an excuse to gain more control over industries while letting them remain in the hands of private individuals. Thus government and corrupt individuals in the private sector can collude to gain more power and control over the average citizen. Also I disagree that it is an indictment of our education system but rather a testament on how effective a government forced monopoly school system can be in creating in ignorant populous.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:14 pm |
  61. NIck Shield

    Excuse me "Square", tax cuts did not get us to 56 trillion in debt and obligations (check your stats, ala IRS.gov), OVERSPENDING DID! ON BOTH SIDES! But Obama got us in deeper than any past president, that is a fact, you can't blame Bush anymore. And yes, we did vote them in, however this is the United "States" of America, the principle being that states have their own sovereignity under a federation. Check you history before you and others of your ilk blather on.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:14 pm |
  62. Harley

    Well, Dr. Paul, I used to support you, but after this latest junk from you, you can count me out. I was wrong, and I appologize to everyone whose eyesight I offended by putting up those Ron Paul signs. I'm on my way to scrape that bumper sticker off my truck, too.

    I love libertarian principles, but when you ignorantly take that step over into sedition and disunion, you lose my support. This is a great country and I want to make it better, not dissolve it. I'm ashamed of you, Ron Paul, and I feel like you sold me a bunch of hogwash.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:14 pm |
  63. Chris Morman

    The word is "secession" , not "succession".

    April 21, 2009 at 1:14 pm |
  64. John

    If any states should secede, it should be those from the northeast who pay the most in taxes but receive the least in federal taxes returned. http://www.nemw.org/taxburd.htm

    April 21, 2009 at 1:14 pm |
  65. Keeno

    1) Ron Paul didn't say that secession was the answer but merely that the plausibility of it would give Washington pause if they knew that the will of a large constituent of citizens feel so strongly about something that they would consider such drastic action. It's no different from any other form of free speech.

    2) Disagree all you want. It's your right as an American to agree or disagree with Sen. Paul's opinion as much as it is his right (and in this case duty as senator) to dissent should he see the need.

    3) To the guy citing the Civil War and 600 thousand dead as an example of the stupidity of secession from what some consider infringement of states rights (also ennumerated in the 10th Amendment) is short sighted. It is totally irrelevant if you agree or disagree with the reasoning behind it because enough people felt something enough to fight on either side in a war that killed more Americans than anytyhing besides disease. Thus ignoring it is probably not such a brilliant idea wouldn't you say?

    4) To all the people saying "so much for democracy" I have two things to say: This is not a democracy–it's a democratic republic (hence "to the republic, for which it stands") meaning of course that the will of the mob is tempered by the (theoretically) wisdom of elected statesmen who are partially insulated from the will of the people. Second is that people electing of their own free will to "take their bat and ball and go home" may indeed be childish but if enough people wanted that then isn't that elegant execution of the "will of the people"? Because to do otherwise would be impressment under a regime that you disagree with...which isn't very democratic.

    5) Secede means to withdraw. Treason is active breech of alligiance (like helping a foreign power) or attempts to overthrow a sogerign authority. Neither of which is being proposed. Electing to not play on the team is not the same as trying to take the manager's spot. Buy a dictionary folks it's not hard.

    6) To all those "give them to Mexico" people. We won. It's called San Jacinto Day (and it's today).

    7) Finally and for the last time please god

    Michael Lacy April 21st, 2009 11:50 am ET

    How ironic that the state that gave us the Republican President who was elected without a majority, required loyalty oaths be signed just to serve in his administration and lead us as a nation into this messed up economy and war, are now saying their mad and don’t want to play in the sandbbox anymore. Stop your griping and pitch in to help fix the problem your native son left with the rest of us.

    GEORGE W. BUSH IS NOT FROM TEXAS!!!!! HE IS FROM NEW HAVEN CONN. SO TAKE YOUR "NATIVE SON" AND DO WHATEVER YOU LIKE WITH HIM!!!!!!!

    April 21, 2009 at 1:14 pm |
  66. History Grad Student

    The GOP is just sad it lost everything in the last election. They are reaching for anything. The Bush Administration and the Republican Party trashed the country and now that someone with a brain is in the White House, Republicans have to try not to run away with their tail between their legs. This is just a ploy to try to get some attention. The only true secession in American history was before the Civil War and look where that got them! I say, let Texas secede. Let the entire South go. This country would be so much better without the narrow-minded ignorance of the South. The US was thrown into way more crap during the Bush years than now and no one wanted to secede. They think the little tax increase is bad, well it wouldn't have to be if their buddy Bush didn't throw away our government's money on all his war games. If we could shed the unnecessary weight of Texas, everyone would be better off.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:14 pm |
  67. William

    All of the talk about secession is meant to bring attention to the frustration and anger that the American people at large have concerning the federal government, not to actually commit the act. What gives the conversation some weight is the fact that it came from a state governor. Texas, Rhode Island, Maine, California - who cares what state we're talking about. Don't caught up in a pointless discussions about treason, GW, etc., look a little deeper and see if you can muster up enough intelligence to imagine WHY such strong words are being publicly spoken by a state governor. Take a look around, wake up.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:14 pm |
  68. rebecca

    No need to bash the whole state for the idiocy of a few (Sr., W, Ron Paul). I live in Texas...and will move in a heartbeat if secession became a reality. More dangerous right-wingers spewing their illogical, vomit-inducing rhetoric. Anyone know where I can get ahold of those little baggies they supply on the airplanes?

    April 21, 2009 at 1:13 pm |
  69. Darryl

    Secession. Let them, the average IQ in the U.S. will jump 50%!

    April 21, 2009 at 1:13 pm |
  70. Lee

    Mr. Paul you need to study U.S. History a bit more. People did object to the idea of New England seceding! That is one of the reasons the Federalist Party was forced out of business. Extreme Fderalists supported the idea NE secession during the War of 1812- this was viewed as TREASON! Sir, I am starting to view you as a neo-confederate. This is not a compliment.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:13 pm |
  71. Santa Claus

    "Any people, anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable, a most sacred right, a right which we hope and believe is to liberate the world. Nor is this right confined to cases in which the whole people of an existing government may choose to exercise it. Any portion of such people, that can, may revolutionize, and make their own of so much of the territory as they inhabit."

    Abraham Lincoln – January 12 1848

    April 21, 2009 at 1:12 pm |
  72. Eric

    Your fifth grade teachers never taught you history. The true history of this union is too brash and alive for the tv-numbed masses. This is not a perfect union; it isn't even a decent one. The banksters started unravelling the worthy documents that this country was founded upon before the ink was dry. Look up the word "sovereignty," if you would like to begin your re-education.

    Thank you Ron Paul for keeping the true spirit of politics alive!!! Bless you, bless you.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:11 pm |
  73. Anne

    For everyone screaming that secession, or even talk of it, is treasonous, does that mean that you also believe that if you enter into any kind of contract, you should never have any way to get out of it if you feel the other party or parties are not living up to their part? Do you also feel that you cannot quit your job and find a new one because you signed a contract to work in a place?

    The constitution is a contract between the states. A contract should alsways be an agreement that benefits all parties to it. By saying there is no way out of this, are you saying that every state has sold itself into subjugation to the others?

    I think the out-of-hand dismissal of the idea by branding it as treasonous is shallow, cowardly and smacks of bullying. Quit shouting that no state is "allowed" to leave your playground and start talking about how to make the playground a place that every state WANTS to remain a part of.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:11 pm |
  74. Howard

    It is American to let people express their opinion. If people aren't happy with things they should try to fix them in a constructive way. Protesting is fine, but I am more than happy to pay my taxes to take care of old people, or to make sure that poor people have health care. Or for that matter, to make sure a mother can stay home for a year after her child is born. What I am upset about is paying for invasions of sovereign countries, paying for torture of prisoners and paying for politicians that are corrupt and self-serving. I also do not like to pay the salaries of lifetime politicians like Ron Paul. We should reinstate term limits. Then every 4 or 8 years we could replace the old rats with new rats!!!

    April 21, 2009 at 1:11 pm |
  75. David in Houston

    Actually, it would be interesting to truly divide the nation into the Looney Left and the Right. It would be interesting to see which group succeeded and which failed. I think we just need to look at California's economy vs. Texas to know. You can keep your fruits and nuts, I'll keep my Savior and my Church. God bless all those who will flame this post. In a 100 years, all who read this will know the Truth. I for one am looking forward to it! Maranatha!

    April 21, 2009 at 1:11 pm |
  76. Scott

    God bless Bill Hamlin. Please listen to this veteran who has seen a lot since WWII and has sensible wisdom to impart. Thanks Bill for your words.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:11 pm |
  77. chickencross

    If Texas wants to go, let them. It is free country. We will build the fence around the Texas. Let’s see how long they could last as country. I will bet within two week they will take over by Mexico. Drug cartel will claim Texas as their country. Ron Paul or Bush could be their puppet leader for Mexican drug cartel. Lets see how much freedom and prosper they could get under Mexican drug cartel.
    By the way all the republican are doing now is creating distraction. We have serious problem in our hand people. People are losing job and economic is getting worst, not just here but whole world is suffering. I don’t see any republican coming up with good solutions. They are the reason that we got into this mess in first place. Thanks republicans. All the republican is doing is gathering old and middle class people, telling story about good time in past and telling people Obama and his staff is blame for your suffering. While republican is getting money from their lobbyist and big corporation.
    Least production person in the group is the one that going around blaming others and telling jokes. I am not agrees with everything Obama is doing but I least give him a credit for trying to do something. Whenever I see him, I felt like he actually care about his job and he want to help American. That is what is about being president and being public servant. Republican lost that long time ago. They forgot what is to be a public servant. Obama did not become president because he is great leader, No he won because he is not republican. Republicans need to stop blames others for their mistake and go back to their root. Our forefather will be shame to call themselves as republican.

    Here is little universal truth I want to give it to republican: We don’t need to be taught what is right and what is wrong, even 5 years old kid knows different between rights or wrongs.

    As Johns Stewart said, stop, just stop you are hurting American.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:11 pm |
  78. kevin

    http://www.fairtax.org

    April 21, 2009 at 1:10 pm |
  79. Mark

    Dear Carl,

    I missed the divorce clause when I learned about the constitution. Thanks for enlightening us! Is there a required separation period? What about the children? Who gets Puerto Rico, St. Thomas and Guam? Can we share custody?
    Is there alimony? Texas being the sound, fiscally responsible state that has contributed so much to allow us the lifestyle we've gotten used to should provide continued support. At least until we marry another country that can help support us. Canada's available, maybe we can replace Texas with Canada. I know we haven't really been all that attractive to Canada, but we'll just blame our all our ex's living in Texas!

    p.s. We want our interstates back in the divorce.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:10 pm |
  80. max

    Wow. Republicans? Yes, if liberals mentioned the possibility of succession Fox News would go into meltdown mode! Apparently, conservatives don't give a damn about the "United States," unless all of its citizens share a conservative viewpoint. What happened to this country? There is a Russian nutcase who has proclaimed that the U.S. will dissolve and that Alaska will become part of Russian again. Maybe this Russian nutcase isn't as nuts as I thought.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:10 pm |
  81. Gray-haired Grandpa

    Mr. Paul...thank God you were never nominated. Take a walk through any Civil War graveyard to see what was the result of our last experiment in secession.

    Expect that all Federal government instrumentalities, civil & military would close, as would the borders of Louisiana, Arkansas, Oklahoma, & New mexico. If you believe you have a fiscal crisis now, try funding all the services your citizens require on your own, using your own currency, supported by dwindling oil supplies in a world searching desperately for fuel sources other than oil.

    Most importantly, you'd NEVER win another national championship again!

    April 21, 2009 at 1:10 pm |
  82. Matt - Phoenix, AZ

    Weird, almost nobody even bothered covering it when the Democrats talked secession and impeachment and assassination during the Bush years. Now it's crazy talk. Typical hypocrisy at work. Probably has something to do with the fact that the news media is still 80+% democrats.

    Ron Paul has it right. This country is founded on the will of the people. Like it or not, if this were an actual Democracy where the people got to vote on issues, that stimulus would not have passed and neither would most of the nonsense going on right now. Sure the same could be said for the Republicans, but since when has doing two wrongs made a right?

    April 21, 2009 at 1:10 pm |
  83. Bob

    It is ridiculous to characterize our 'secession' from England as not being opposed! After all, they did send armies to put the revolt down! And a large portion of the populous here supported the crown. We didn't get our independence because we had a right to secession ... we got it because we won the war!

    If Texas would like to secede, I suggest that we start building the wall between the U.S. and Texas now so that we can keep the illegal immigrant Texans out! I realize that we could just send in the troops and hang the traitors, but it would be cheaper just to let Mexico have them.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:09 pm |
  84. Lee

    The idea of secession only applies when the government does not represent its people. a group only has a right to secede if they can prove that their government does not represent them legally, since the president and congress and everyone was elected fair and square they have no claim to leave the union. when you agree to the terms of a government you cannot leave it just because you disagree because your side or your point of view does not win, its like agreeing to a game and then quitting when you don't win.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:09 pm |
  85. CM

    I think Cole Said it best. Ron Paul isn't Bush...
    That being said, I dont think, as he does that American banks are "Gangsters Stealing Money". And I don't think that Secession is a very good idea. Remember the Civil War. Secession when you have a vote is just a way of saying "we give up". I'm not going to go around like an idiot calling people un american though...
    Still I say let Texas Seceed if they want to. It would be an interesting experiment to see how long it takes them to massacre the constitution, completely do away with civil rights, and declare war on Mexico.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:09 pm |
  86. John

    Its funny how Americans believe their own version of history. The US did succeed from the British empire. If you read a non-biased account from say Canada, Germany or even India you would learn:
    A) Many colonialists supported the Monarchy.
    B) Taxes played only a part of the issue in Independence.
    C) The US had a small rebellion which the Empire could not adequately defend due to its all out war in France on multiple fronts in Europe, Africa and India.
    D) There were powerful anti slavery forces campaigning in British parliment and our landowners felt threatened if anti-slavery acts were passed. (The British Parliment banned slave trading in 1807).

    If 1776 had happened in 1790 then the US would have lost and probably evolved gradually like Canada and Austrailia. I have no doubt it would still be a great country but probably greater without the blemish of slavery or a horrific Civil War.

    The decision to leave was thought out by some of the colonialists leading statesmen and they put their thoughts in the Declaration of Indenedence: " When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation."

    For those of you who also lack in English skills on top of history – seperation and secession are synonyms in any Thesaurus.

    Subsequently many of these same people wrote the US Constitution, which does not give any state the authority to leave the Union. Instead the constitution gives people (originally defined as white landowning men) the right to change their government if it is not serving them. Therefore there is no legal venue for separtion – the only process is using force. Thats been tried once before and didnt work.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:08 pm |
  87. Chris

    So like, where was this anger when our own "King George" sent Americans to Iraq on shoddy intel, gave tax incentives to corporations sending jobs overseas, and threatened to revoke states' rights to define marriage within their own borders?
    This panic, plus the hypocritical finger-pointers trying to keep their own jobs in office or on the airwaves, is getting downright dangerous.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:08 pm |
  88. grace

    It was not unconstitutional to secede from the mother country because the Constitution as is did not exist until decades later after the Revolutionary war

    April 21, 2009 at 1:08 pm |
  89. Dave S

    According to the 2007 Consolidated Federal Funds Report, Texas is a net beneficiary of nearly $100B per year in Federal funds. To be clear, that means they receive almost $100B in Federal money MORE than they pay in taxes (income tax, payroll taxes, fees, etc.). If they are wiling to forfeit their Social Security, government wages, highway funds, etc. etc. I'm sure many other states would welcome that money.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:08 pm |
  90. Lydia

    I think I misjudged Ron Paul and I am so disappointed. I never would have placed Ron Paul in the group with right wing nut cases...but with these comments I have no other choice. I am totally speechless.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:08 pm |
  91. chuck

    To Mike R -–Take a history lesson you frickin retard. This country was founded by "Right Wing Loonies" as no government handouts wer givin in the first 100 years of this country. People came over they worked hard and lived the American dream. Then you "Loonie Libs" come along and want something for nothing. You all are worse that cancer. Seriously!

    April 21, 2009 at 1:08 pm |
  92. Margaret Pearland

    Huh? Doesn't anyone read history anymore? We had a civil war over this very issue - no one can leave this union. That is called "rebellion." And, please, folks - don't blame all of Texas for the drivel spewing out of one idiot's mouth. The vast majority of Texans are proud, loyal citizens no matter which party is in power.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:08 pm |
  93. unknown

    None of you really know what is going on in this nation. The tea parties are supposed to do what they do, so the government has reason to give themselves more control. They WANT THIS, don't you get it. There are 29 states with legislation to succeed if the government tries to take them over, and thats what the government is going to do! They want to get rid of state rights, make your local police into federal, and all that jazz. Get informed people, and stop listening to just AMERICAN news agencies.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:08 pm |
  94. andy

    Nations and empires have grown, fractured and disappeared over history. Does anybody think the US will stay exactly how it is now forever? People should have the right to ban together and form governments of their own choosing. And that includes leaving a larger empire if it is in the best interest of a sizable, localized and like-minded population. The federal government is out of control and corrupt. If the long term cons start to outweigh the pros of staying in the union, perhaps Texans should consider going solo.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:07 pm |
  95. ddcover

    I understand why people may be upset over a stimulus package, but it was a majority republican congress and republican president that put us in this crisis and the first stimulus package was drafted by republicans. That money is largely unaccounted for and wasted. At least the democrats put some accountability behind there move. It was a free election that chose change. Of course one can speak out against policies, but it is treasonous to hope any president fails. Obama is listening to the majority. He and congress were elected by a majority. Don't leave the Union, leave the country if you don't believe in elections. Ron Paul's bid for the presidentcy was pittiful...The largest national debts were during republican administrations, FACT.. If Obama is over spending, he learned from republicans

    April 21, 2009 at 1:07 pm |
  96. Jeff

    Thanks to all of you who want Texas to "please leave"...I am a very proud native Texan and I would want nothing more than for us to break away and leave the US to the far left . Good freaking riddance indeed. Nice knowing you...

    April 21, 2009 at 1:07 pm |
  97. NYbywayof Texas

    As a product of the Lone Star state, let me join in with the voice of reason and say, I COULD NOT DISAGREE MORE WITH RON PAUL. I am utterly ashamed of the blight that he and W have left on America. The fear tactics do not work! Your Rovian sputtings are useless! Let it go! You and those who think like you are a foregone conclusion. Time has moved on and you are still attempting to hold on to your past glories. You and your party have pillaged America and tarnished it's reputation. Apparently, you all as children were sent home with the report " Does not play well with others. " Read your history and quote from it correctly.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:07 pm |
  98. bill

    I'll take Mexico! They did pretty good at the Alamo.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:06 pm |
  99. jj

    Everyone who puts Ron Paul in the category of mainstream conservatism clearly doesnt understand his views. He was less helpful to Bush than the Democrats, 4 of whom were largely responsible for facilitating the war in Iraq. While I disagree with his position and I dont think secession is the way to go (and you can deduce from his comments that he believes the secession talk is nothing more than political grandstanding), the option of secession is not unpatriotic. The states arent eternally bound to the Feds, the State membership to the union is voluntary. And yes, technically we voted for Barack Obama, but what REAL choices could our votes go to? Both McCain and Obama had the same foreign policy of interventionism, the same Federal Reserve/ central bank monopolized control of monetary policy, and the same ideas for healthcare and education (i.e. government/corporations runs them both). This might as well be the 3rd Bush term, because all of Obama's fundamental policies are the exact same. People need to understand that Ron Paul is against these unchanged polices, not President Obama himself.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:06 pm |
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