House Speaker Nancy Pelosi might be fighting for her political future this week. Republicans say if the CIA misled Congress on the use of torture on terror suspects as Pelosi has claimed they want to see proof.
Pelosi wants the full transcript of classified notes of a 2002 briefing on waterboarding made public. She says that will prove she was not told the technique was being used. A top Republican on the Senate Intelligence Committee insists that he read those notes from that briefing and that Pelosi is wrong.
Congressman Peter Hoekstra (R-MI) is the ranking member of the House Intelligence Committee. He says Pelosi needs to be held accountable for what she has said. He spoke to Kiran Chetry on CNN’s “American Morning” Monday.
Kiran Chetry: As a member of the House Intelligence Committee, how much information were you or your colleagues given regarding interrogation tactics?
Peter Hoekstra: I expect that what happened is very much like the briefings I received in 2004 when I became chairman of the committee. You get a very, very detailed briefing as to exactly what's going on in the program that the CIA may be laying out for you. When the briefing is complete, there's really a couple of questions that either they ask or that you ask. It's kind of like... is there any other additional information that you feel you need, congressman? And then really the implied question is... do you agree or do you not agree with the program and the tactics that we’ve put in place?
Chetry: So realistically speaking, if Nancy Pelosi at the time was informed about the waterboarding as a potential technique or even currently being used, would it be the proper or the de rigueur thing to do to write a memo expressing your opposition to that?
Hoekstra: Well, actually, the first thing you would do in the briefing, you would express your anger or your disagreement with the policy that you may be briefed on. If you don't get satisfaction from the briefers, because they're not the ones that are really making the decisions, what you would then do is go back to the leadership in your political party, in this case, she would have gone back to the minority leader and said... hey, there's a practice being contemplated or being acted on in the intelligence community that I disagree with and I think that we need to stop it. And then you would go to the president. There's lots of options that you can use.
Chetry: Congressman, as we've learned now, none of that happened at this point but there are differences. There's a he said/she said about how members of Congress were notified in this situation. Nancy Pelosi said she found out later from a staffer, actually. Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said Congress has “an absolute obligation to open an inquiry” to investigate Nancy Pelosi. He said if it turns out she lied she should be censured and step down as House speaker. Do you agree with that?
Hoekstra: She made some outrageous accusations last week where she said the CIA lied to her and lied systemically over a period of years. That is a very, very serious charge. And either the CIA needs to be held accountable for their performance during this time or the speaker needs to be held accountable and be held responsible for the actions and the statements that she made last week. One or the other is correct. One or the other is wrong. I think we can get to the bottom of this. All we need to do is get more information from the CIA and I think we'll get some more clarity to this issue.
Chetry: And if it breaks in favor of the CIA telling the truth should Nancy Pelosi step down as House speaker?
Hoekstra: Well, I think it comes close to that. You have to remember she’s been at the forefront.
Chetry: She is either forced to step down or she isn't. What's your opinion?
Hoekstra: Well I think she's been the one that has been saying people within the Justice Department need to be held accountable, people in the CIA need to be held accountable. If she wants to apply that same standard, it has to be applied to her as well… I think she's applied the standard. She wants to hold the lawyers accountable in the Justice Department. She wants to hold the folks in the CIA who carried out these programs accountable. She now has to move that standard to herself. She has to be held accountable for what she has said and what she did in 2002 and in 2003.
Chetry: All right. Well your critics are saying that Republicans want to focus on Nancy Pelosi to deflect attention away from the larger issue of the use of these interrogation methods and pressing for this truth commission. What do you say to your critics?
Hoekstra: We didn't bring that issue up. This issue came up four weeks ago when the president released the Justice Department memos. We were more than willing to say that the decisions that were made in 2002 and 2003 were the right decisions; they kept America safe. Let's continue moving forward and let's put the focus on winning this war against radical jihadists. We didn't go back. We didn’t open up this issue. This is something that the president opened up that something that really did not even need to be opened up.
Pelosi is not a favorite at all, but, however these Republicans sure have the gaul. We all know that the CIA did mislead Congress due WMD. How soon people forget about "curve ball" a cia operative paid to lie, they knew he lied often, not the first time, but, took this testimony on account of there were WMD being developed. Why Conlon Powell stepped down, was told it was a "SLAM DUNK".
IF CIA LIED ONCE, WHY DO YOU THINK THEY WOULD NOT LIE AGAIN? Major problem, is they are now bar-b queing pelosi on evidence not valid as they have no proof. As, this info is not available. Making a mountain out of mole hill. Who they should have gone after was the lead culprits Bush Cheney and Condosleazza and Rumsfield that lied over and over about yellow cake, pipes that were designed to make bombs, when they were told over and over not the type by experts. , I have this awful memory thing. I do remember. I was disgusted with CIA and the whole camp going to war, Bush saying he talked to God. people soldiers kileed over nothing absolutely nothing, a lot like Vietnam.
BUSH CHENEY CONDOSLEEZA RUMSFIELD ARE BLATANT LYIERS FROM THE WORD "GO".
AND, THE RAT CHENEY SAYS THAT TO KEEP THIS COUNTRY SAFE HAS BEEN BROKEN, WHEN THAT GROUP FOR THE LAST 8 YEARS HAS JEOPARDIZED NOT ONLY OUR ECONOMY BUT STIRRED UP HATE WITHIN THE WHOLE WORLD ALL FOR THE RATH OF OIL..
GITMO? ONLY 1% IS ANY TYPE OF TERRORISTS. DETAINEES, THAT HAVE BEEN TURNED OVER BY A PAID NEIGHBOR, NEVER GIVEN A FAIR TRIAL, IS ABSURD TO HOLD THEM. THE SAVAGE TREATMENT OF THESE PEOPLE HAVE "MADE" MORE TERRORISTS IN THE WORLD THAN ELIVIATE THEM.
It's time for those elected to office, Democrat or Republican, to own up to the mistakes and lies that they make. This is not done for the betterment of our nation, but for their re-election. It's time that Washington does all that they can for the people of this nation, and pass legistlation that helps the Depression and Unemployment that our Country is going through. They also need to stop bailing out companies with Millions of dollars and allowing the bonuses of millions given to CEO's that are making the mistakes that caused the problems.
I think that Nancy Pelosi needs to step down.
ONCE A LIAR ALWAYS A LIAR.
PELOSI HAS TO GO.
SHES AN EMBARASSMENT HOLDING THE POSITION WHICH SHE
FUNNY HOW THINGS CHANGE.....HERE YOU WERE READY AND
WANTING AN INVESTIGATION ON TORTURE, GOING TO OPEN
ALL RECORDS, SHOW PICTURES, HOLD PEOPLE ACCOUNTABLE, PROSECUTE THOSE WHO CARRIED OUT THE ORDERS. WELL
NOW THIS HAS BACKFIRED AND ITS ON YOU. YOUR FELLOW DEMOCRATES MIGHT STAND BEHIND YOU BUT THIS COUNTRY DOESNT. YOU GOT GO....AND TAKE YOUR RATS WITH YOU BACK TO CALIFORNIA.
If its not in writing then it wasn't said. Both sides kept a transcript. Just release both transcripts and see. Enough said.
Pelosi really stepped in it this time. Watching her press conference was a painful experience for me. She should step down as Speaker of the House. She has been a polarizing presence for far too long. If she hasn't learned to play nice by this time, she never will. Washington D.C is not the center of the Universe like some politicans believe. Egos tend to inflate dramatically. The democrats & the GOP must work together in order to fix problems, instead of all this finger pointing & laying blame
for our problems. I don't care who did what to whom or whose fault it was. Just get back to work–share ideas–quit dwelling on old scores to settle. Do it on your own time–Wait! Elected offcials are on our time all the time. So Pelosi-Your Fired!
@Veet: Did I say I am a republican? I am just an ordinary citizen who is tired of all the lying politicians and wants something done about this one, who was caught red handed. My speculation about all these posters jumping to Pelosi's defense is based on the principle of "follow the money". Basically, whenever you see otherwise sane human beings behaving in unexpected ways, money is at the bottom of it. There are exceptions, but I tend to doubt that this is one of them. People are acting like any criticism of Pelosi is a personal attack on their grandmother, for Petes sake. Why would people get so hot and bothered to defend a politician who has clearlyt done wrong? Regarding your defense based on past republican behavior, that is a specious argument. If you were caught looting during a riot, could you argue "I only stole an ipod! I saw somebody take a macbook, why don't you go find them and arrest them instead!!"
CNN is not playing favoritism...it's just more people are aware of the truth and know it when they see it...
The GOP has been lying for so long they wouldn't know the truth if it smacked it in the face....
I've posted twice irrefutable evidence the CIA lied on many occassions... some of the biggest for Reagan and Bush Sr....
and because it was from another news agency it was yanked...
so CNN is not biased...
The only thing I fault them on is not going after lying right wingers on their broadcast and calling them out to prove the lies they spread on the air...
this is why cnn is going to go bankrupt because you do nothing but play favortism to one party, and all the people who agree with them are blind and uneducated,and are to self-centered to know when they are wrong,your rating's are going down in flames just like this administration,have fun joining the rest of us in the unemployment line!
In viewing the video of the Cia regarding pelosi, one thing that came to me over partnership, is partners need to be honest. Pelosi is saying they lied. Human Beings lie. Cia lies for a living. To say the CIA isn't fallible is delusional. To say Pelosi isn't fallible is delusional. But Pelosi has always supported fair treatment, whereas wasn't the CIA that wanted to torture to being with? People who want to torture others or even think of it, are psychotic. Just because they are paid by a government does not mean they are not psychotic and they all need to have psychiatric evaluations done. A person who is psychotic hurts people. Why is the CIA so confortable with violence? IF they are so smart and intelligent, how come they haven't figured out that murder is illegal, and just because they term it WAR, it is still illegal, they just think it is ok because they are ignorant. War: Politically APPROVED MURDER. It is wrong. With all their gagets that they spend so much money on, why don't they just knock people out with tranquilizers? Then take these people to trial or whatever to find out what caused the psychotic behavior of violence and solve issues. Killing doesn't solve anything and it is a bad role model. The CIA is delusional to think they can be 100 percent trusted. If anyone understands the way things work in this world, trespassing hurts others, killing hurts others, stealing their privacy hurts others, and it hurts the people who do it. The cia is a very damaging part of our government and should have been shut down a long time ago when they started to manipulate countries by killing leaders and giving others guns. Sorry, but they aren't "good" people. They are a psychotic lot of people that need serious mental health evaluations. The CIA spokesperson , whom is suppose to be so smart, presented the CIA like they are infallible. What have they done to ever evaluate the people involved by a third party to question whether they are lying. It seems the CIA is too quick to say they are not fallible but Pelosi is. Pelosi stood up to Bush, is that what this is really about?
GOP wants an apology?? Are you kidding me. The GOP needs to apolgize to Americans for messing up this country so bad the last 8 years.....When my grandsons ask me "who was in charge when the stockmarket crashed?" will tell them ":Republicans, need I say more??
Personally I think there are a lot of folks sick and tired of watching our elected officials backpedal. It was very obvious that she was "caught". One day soon America will hold our elected officials accountable for their actions or inactions.
Tired of watching the politicians blame someone else? So am I.
LOUISE: I agree, CNN screens their posts, they have lost their objectivity. Fox will let you vent all you want, but not here, similar tactics like communist China. TYPICAL OBAMA tactics, right? The word in CNN, is no negative posts as it relates to the OBAMA administration. Let's see if this comment makes it to the blog.
BOTOX, Pelosi needs to resign....like now. She is such a LIAR. Of course this one of OBAMA prerequisites for his administration. Look at all the cheaters in his administration. As a Hispanic female, Ms Pelosi is a definite disgrace to a women status in high office.
I think it is becoming increasingly clear that Pelosi is not quite up to the task (morally or otherwise) of carrying out her accepted and sworn duties. Aside from hypocracy, it seems she would not recognize let alone adhere, to any other genuine conviction if she were dipped in gorilla glue. Which, might not be a bad idea.
What is even more alarming though, is the high stakes political wrangling and one-ups-manship going on with no less than the American National Security Chip being put at risk. These tactics of releasing and leaking selective memos or other information amounts to nothing more than a childish game of : you did, no, you did. And it has got to stop! We are still at war no matter how oblivious to this reality our current leaders appear.
I for one, am sorely disappointed that the bipartisanship and tranparency we were promised as the means to get America out of it's present mess seems little more than empty campaign-speak. The promised change from Obama has manifest itself as a wider, uglier gap between parties than we have ever had.
Team Obama released 2 incriminating memos despite numerous warnigns and grave concerns. It then refused to comment on the results of it's actions or to release any other info citing (oddly) some newfound respect for these same grave concerns. As recently as yesterday, Team Obama agian forgot all about it's pledge of transpaency by refusing to address a single question about the irratic activities of the Speaker of (both sides) the House.
Now that Obama has irresponsibly opened this can of worms it is time for him to step up with some serious tangible leadership as promised. He needs stop the carnage of reckless accusations and unfounded speculation by initiating credible investigations outside the media spotlight. And ALL involved in wrongdoing must be held accountable.
Listen to all you folks in support of Pelosi. You should be ashamed. Regardless of how idiotic the Bush era was, Pelosi USED the CIA in her attempt to bash the GOP. The funny thing is....the DEMS won in handy fashion... and she had nothing to gain by doing this...and everything to lose.
She has told a lie regarding the CIA in an attempt to bash Bush. Now..... how is she different from what Bush/Cheney did? She's not.
Just another lying politician in power..... and she should resign. You people in the 8th district of Cali. need to lay down those pot pipes... and get with the program!
@ Paul Maybe YOU can be paid to lie and distort the FACTS which is THE REPUBLICAN MODEUS OPERENDI but there's a new sherriff in town so we just rewind the tapes and through the magic of recordings we DONT have to lie like you people did and do ! The thing thats differnet is that theres more of us than there is of you , because of all those lies thank God ! .Anybody that has a memory even a short term one REMEMBERS all the LIES that were told and the Arrogance in which they were told ! " SADAM HUSSEIN HAS WMD'S " BRING ANYTHING BACK ? "WE DONT TORTURE " to name a few ring a bell ? Now through the magic of televison all the lies the BUSH and the coward Cheny ADMIN spouted are there for ALL TO SEE OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN . It s too bad that so many people had to suffer during those terrible years . Get your head outta the sand ! You should be ashamed of yourself !
The more important issue is the actions of the Bush administration and all the lies and deceptions leading up to and during the Iraq war...
There are even unanswered questions from the Gulf War that have never been answered...
The entire Bush one and Bush two's actions to take our troops to battle have never been fully investigated or answered...
as well as their close ties to the Bin-Ladens, the Saudi royal family or why a secret society is allowed to exist (Skull & Bones) which has ties to some of the most powerful people in this country...
A democracy is not run by members of a secret society....
I wonder how many of these commenters are being paid by Pelosi. Two wrongs do not make a right. Just because you have a problem with Bush policies does not excuse Pelosi for her disgraceful conduct. She has shown in black and white that she is willing to lie and drag down anyone and everyone around her to save her own hide, including the entire Central Intelligence Agency. This is not a fit leader for a girl scout troup, let alone a house of Congress. I know, people say politicians lie. But it is rare for one to be caught this clearly, and when it happens, the politician should be removed. If Pelosi remains as house speaker after this, then we might as well admit that not only are we unable to hold our leaders to any standards, but we don't even have standards to hold them to.
Simple question – Who ORDERED the torture and why are THEY not being help accountible. Since when is torture an acceptible method for US government officials to order. Who cares what Pelosi knew and when she knew it, and if she lied, fine, kick her out, but for God's sake, please hold those who actually ordered the torture to account! If it was being run from Cheney's office, then indict Dick Cheney. Now that's it's all out in the open, and admitted, how can there not possibly be any accountibility for that? It makes no sense. The whole Pelosi thing appears to be little more than a smokescreen designed to protect those responsible for the actual program. And had she complained about it, does that mean Cheney would have ordered the practice stopped? Hardly. A very serious crime against humanity has been committed here, a war crime, and if the most recent charges are correct, that the torture was used to try to draw a connection between Iraq and 9/11 AFTER the Iraq war had been initiated, then that again is a very serious charge which must be investigated.
So who cares about Pelosi. Charge those responsible!
Just to correct myself, the second line of my post should have read, "It really isn’t about parties any more."
CNN screens their post!
You're all wrong. I really isn't about parties any more. Most of you probably need to do a little more research on the history of this country and the political system before you make uneducated posts. Politicians are just what they are, professional liars, regardless of party. From the inception of this nation the two parties have taken us from just enough government to keep anarchy in check to near total government control, which is where we are today. Steps are taken in every administration that inch us closer and we are at a tipping point. Party means nothing now, just two sides of the same coin. Constituents mean nothing now, candidate get elected and then do/say whatever they want. Politicians don't "represent" anyone but themselves and a few select people and corporations around them. Power and money. Period. Who holds the empty bag? You know the answer.
It is doubtful anyone reads, listens or watches the news every day without thinking they've been lied to. That's a serious problem. We're on a slippery slope everyone, and it leads to a very dark place. Most of the posts read anywhere, whether it's from republican or democrat, ooze single mindedness and a lack of any real perspective. Unless anyone has had an extremely diverse life of living in small towns, big cities, farms, worked in blue collar and white collar jobs been self employed and done a stint in the military you really don't have a complete perspective do you? All you have is your narrow view of the world and you regurgitate what you read, listen to or watch on TV and spin it based on your life experiences. All the while you are just being separated. Don't you get it? That's what this is all about, separation. In order for there to be complete control by the government they need separation.
So.... the Repubicans, who were also briefed,are taking a stance of acceptance of torture? The moral ground is that we do not accept torture because we do not want our troops to undergo this type of treatment...It is sickening one person is being blamed when there were others who knew, who were in power, and did not say a thing. Stop this blame game and start acting like responsible adults, I don't care what political party you are affliated with.
GOP and accountable don't belong in the same sentence. They've been avoiding it for years. " The accountability moment has passed".
What a bunch of hypocrites.
This is ridiculous. The Republicans want to blame Pelosi for the torture? They are desperate for a distracion. Cheney Bush and their crowd are the ones who are "dispicable". I have had it with their fiasco in Iraq and the torture. When are they going to get it?
Are the Republicans for real? They want to go down this road? Who ordered it? Bush. Who defended it? Republicans. The media better get on the real story? Some people should be charged with War Crimes and they are also republicans. The American public are done with this type of politics. This is why they will lose more seats next election?
Oh god you silly, silly Democrats. War crimes? So, it's ok for them to cut off our own's heads, but we can't pour water over their faces? You guys are so ignorant, and it's you people that are destroying this nation. God I can't wait for 2012, get a real American in office, not these wimpy, ignorant liberals.
Whether Pelosi lied about Waterboarding, remains to be seen. As the news media drags this out, day after day, nothing is different. The GOP and the CIA are not happy over Pelosi's comments. The Democrats don't want a scandal because "the speaker of the house" is getting pressure to "step down". So where does anyone go from here?
Are we talking about the same CIA who the Bush administration told us got the WMD intelligence all wrong?
Does it matter what Pelosi knew or didn't know
1) She didn't order torture
2) She didn't personally torture detainees
3) She didn't break US law
What is the scandal – At the time she was a minority leader in the House – What power did she have? This is one big smoke screen.
Well then maybe it is time to hold the GOP accountable for the Iraq WAR. Even if Pelosi had objected we still were forced into a WAR that was totally based on LIES LIES LIES>>>
Over 4,000 men and women died from the GOP's lies. Enough already. Just looking for a scape goat.
Nancy Palosi does not owe anyone anything except to do the job she was elected to do. The Republicans should apologize for trying to convince the public that the CIA doesn't lie. Were not that stupid. They do look stupid.
WHO CARES WHAT THE GOP[ CLOWNS ] HAVE TO SAY ABOUT THE SPEAKER OF HOUSE, WHERE WERE THEY WHEN BUSH&FRIENDS KEPT LYING TO THE AMERICAN PEOPLE FOR THE LAST 8 YEARS. SHE DID NOT ORDER TORTURE POINT BLANK THE ENTIRE GOP DID!!!
The republicans are upset Pelosi knew or didnt know about illegal torture that the republican administration authorized.Im confused.
Pelosi should be held accountable, I may go as far as to say she should resign.
When the Republicans are called "hypocrites", it is an understatement. This allows the people to see who these nuts really are. For eight years we were told lies consistently, we went to war under false under made up reasons, prisoners were tortured and these same bastards sat there and did not call for investigations. On top of that, given the culture at the time, it is possible that Speaker Pelosi was briefed in a way that hid the truth of what the administration was doing. If it was not given to her in writing, she should be given the benefit of the doubt. The CIA helped Cheney to fabricate the reason for war so their reputation is not really above reproach. These Republicans have no shame, no conscience, no reputation, no moral ground on which to accuse any body without proof.
This is pathetic!! If the Republicans want us to take them seriously about this topic..Lets here them call for hearings to see who in the Cheney and Bush Administration gave the order to Torture because we all know it dayum sure wasnt Nancy Pelosi!
Im far more concerned with our savior Obama's budget that spends enough to create an almost $2 trillion dollar deficit for 2010 than Nancy Pelosi lying. I know Nancy Pelosi lies, she works in DC. Obama is making the Bush deficits look like nothing, and nobody cares...unreal. I wish Obama would use his considerable intellect on balancing the budget rather than finding more ways to spend money. As for Pelosi, she is a disgrace...but, its hard to find people in Washington who aren't a disgrace these days.
Why should anyone care what GOP wants or thinks right now. They are in no position to make any demands at all about anything. If the House Speaker mis-spoke then she has to live with it. Speaking of apologies, what about the GOP apologizing to American Voters/public whom they are supposed to be representing. Under their watch a huge deficit was established, which we American must now pay back.
The Media gives way-to-much importance to these political outbursts! The GOP's "emotional constipation " is so transparent and full to the brim with their own brand of hypocrisy it's almost funny!
Get real GOP!
A disgruntled voter,
DEFLECTION! It's absolutely astounding the circus surrounding Pelosi's remarks... completely irrelevant . Where did the orders for using harsh interrogation tactics originate? I, for one, hope my tax dollars are being spent on fewer circus elephant rides and more on solutions to far more pressing issues.
So the republicans tortured prisoners, and the CIA may or may not have told Pelosi about it.
Now the republicans want to blame Pelosi for not trying to stop the torture?
What a bunch of hypocrites! How about the republicans admit that they did commit torture and then get rid of everyone involved?
They truly have lost anything that they ever stood for. All they can do now is try to deflect blame for their own failures onto the Democrats.
There isn't any argument whether the waterboarding occurred. The debate is whether or not it was necessary for national security. The issue brought up in this article is whether or not Nancy Pelosi was briefed properly by the CIA. She accuses the CIA of lying about it & demands that the people responsible be made accountable. If it is found that she is the one who is lying, then she should be held to the same standards that she is demanding of others. It's a simple as that. Unfortunately, the Dems seem to be using their majority as an excuse to smear anyone who doesn't agree with them.
The Republicans need to give it up. They always want to divert attention away from the President's success. Can't get him, so we'll go after her, then it will be Harry Reid and so on and so on. No one is buying it. How about an apology for that fake ass war that they lied about. Weapons of mass destruction indeed. The biggest weapon of mass destruction is the Republican party itself. I hope they self-destruct! Idiots!
CNN is nothing more than a liberal propaganda tool. This is evident by the number of liberal comments on this web site.
I just wonder if these posting are screened just to be sure the liberal side is all that is reflected.
The GOP is down but certainly not out!!! Get ready for a big comeback!!!
I find it ludicrous that the GOP would want to push ethics issues of any kind. The GOP stands for The Republican Fascist Party. Why would anyone care about what these extremists that try to revise history in their favor would have to say!
Nancy Pelosi has served her country honorably!
Oh so when the GOP was in office...........NONE of those IDIOTS knew what was going on??????? and Their Leader did not disclose anything!!!!!!! I guess everyone is to blame but them
FORGET PILOSI, ....I WANT THE REPUBLICANS BUSH ADMINISTRATION TO FESS UP ON THE MESS THEY LEFT THE U.S.A. WITH!..... & THE TORTURE ISSUE TOO! & CHENEY IS THE CHIEF THIEF!! .... HE HASN'T SAID A WORK IN THE LAST 8 YRS, NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN HIS MOUTH IS WIDE OPEN,.. HYPOCRITE!!.. CROOK!!!
People in hell want ice water. I think Nancy should apologize when the Republican own up to torturing and not until then. For 20% of the population the major cable network sure are more concerned about the Republican view point than they ever were about Democrats when they were in the minority. The news media just ignored the Democrats. With the 20%ers the news media would make you think that the Republicans are running the country .
I do not know Pelosi, live on the east coast and I am an independent so I do not have a dog in this fight. What I do not like is seeing someone trashed the way CNN is trashing Pelosi. Its like they have a machine in their basement that cranks out endless stories about whatever it is that they somehow think she did back then. I know that Pelosi is a big girl and she can take care of herself and plenty of other people while she is at it. I just do not like this smear campaign at all. In my profession, we often do ethics reviews. I hope CNN does the same thing and looks at the ethics of this thing that they are so hell bent on doing.
The Republicans are like 5 year olds playing soccer. They have no leadership so whenever they see a ball, they all go running after it. Going after Pelosi on this charge is the biggest tactical blunder a modern American political party has ever made. This pile-on will make it politically possible for a historic inquiry into the horrors of the Bush administration that will make the Church commission look like no big deal.
Nice job guys
It's time for a complete and thorough investigation of this entire sordid mess and let the chips fall where they may. The guilty will be punished and the innocent exonerated and the American public will know the truth and we can all get on with our lives.
Enough with the hypocrisy and name calling by both parties. My wife's kindergarten pupils have better social skills than these embarrassing clowns.
I am not surprised nor shocked at the replublican party's trying to shift the media's attention away from the Bush administration's illegal torture policies and towards their nemesis, Nancy Pelosi. Whether Nancy was briefed by the CIA or not doesn't really matter because the Bush Administration had already implemented its torture policies. Additionally, to believe that Nancy (who was at the time the minority Democratic party leader) had the power to influence the GOP's security policies is extremely naive. Don't forget the GOP power juggernaut at that time. They controlled both the White House and Congress and had already dismissed the Democratic party and decided that their party was the only one representing the true America. By Golly, George W. Bush was their God-sent leader, strong on national defense and ready to do all that is necessary "to protect the american people against the evil doers". Anyone standing in their way was labeled anti-American and soft on security.
Fine, I think Pelosi needs to clarify also.
But lets see some accountability by the GOP, too. Cheney wanted to play on 'the dark side', so they did. Lets see what some sunlight shows.
This is absolutely ridiculous!!! She may have known; she may have lied. She may be a hypocrite. She did not order the directive!!!
Can we please stay focused on this issue?? Nancy Pelosi is not
responsible for this travesty of justice.
Who holds the GOP responsible for lower America's standards?
When will the rep's accept responsibility for war that only profited Bush and Cheney and there oil stocks. Get real what a bunch of hypocrites.
They can't attack Obama because he's making progess getting us out of the mess that the past 8 years created.
When you war mongering Jerks in the GOP win back the majority the you might try to demand something. Until then get in line outside of Boners tanning tub and wait your turn. Why don't you try going around and apoligize to all the FAMILIES that lost a family member or their sons and daughters that you GOP'ERS are resposilble for getting maimed and crippled. PS how many draft dodgers and deferments does the GOP have. COWARDS ALL.
Wow... what a smokescreen and diversion. Would that Republicans showed the same enthusiasm for justice when it came to the actual perpetrators of the waterboarding.
Our national obligation is in the defense against enemies foreign and domestic. Have people forgotten about this? The CIA did what what they had to do in order to preserve our borders from being breached from another terrorist attack. None of the enemies died from waterboarding. Interrogations are much, much less humane in the hands of third world countries.
Whether Nancy lied or not doesn't really matter. The most important fact is that there was not another terrorist attack since 9/11. And the decisions made by the CIA and Bush admin were necessary. I think that they need a round of applause! Sometimes ugly things need to happen in order for our (the USA) protection to be preserved.
The issues here is not "War crimes" and not "Starving People" both of these are only to distract you from this single issue. The one issue that is discussed in the above article. and that issue is as to whether or not Nancy Pelosi lied to congress in reference to what she was briefed on and when she was briefed. that is the only issue being discussed here. this is seriously a black and white issue. no other shades are possible. congress and the CIA want to know who is lying and who is telling the truth. the ramifications of this situation are what they are. regardless of Bush, the war, the Dali Lama, or War crimes that have yet to be assessed or charged against anyone. what we are discussing here is whether or not Nancy Pelosi knowingly lied to the American people. people that are desperate often distract from the problem at hand...
Everything is fair in love and war.
Pelosi has put her foot in her mouth. She should be held accountable for her lies, and embarrassing accusations. However she should not be held accountable for the torture, weather she new or not is irrelevant.
Personally, I feel it is time we moved on. What was done, was done. Let's not embarrass ourselves further by continuing to drag this through the mud. Let's just perform phenomenally better in the upcoming future so that we can outshine this black mark the past administration "and" Congress have left us with.
The only thing we do by continuing to draw this out further is embarrass ourselves further.
Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. You are all just using red herrings. The point and issue here is about Nancy Pelosi being a liar, trying to have men sent to prison, while she herself had knowledge about the whole affair! Regardless of anyone else, the focus is on Pelosi and her knowledge of the water boarding. I don't see why she shouldn't be held accountable like everyone else in this situation?
GOP when you hold your own party accountable, then you can look over the fence.
We were told by D Cheney that torture was used to prevent further attacks onthe US, but then just last week we found out that the Bush adminstration – ie D Cheney – used torture to try and find a connection between Iraq and Al Qaeda to justify their war. GOP – where is your outrage?
Pelosi needs to man up & admit that she was briefed properly. Maybe she wasn't paying close attention or misunderstood what she was told. I'm sure the Taliban & Al Quaeda are very amused by this whole situation. All that's being accomplished is that any future administration will think more than twice about any policy it institutes in a time of war – effectively tying the hands of our military leaders & endangering our troops needlessly. I'm sure there's a lot worse things than waterboarding being used by the insurgents.
This is just insane to me that the GOP is focusing so much on Pelosi. I don't know if she is telling the truth or not; regardless, the country needs to hold the Bush administration accountable for not only condoning torture, but ordering it, first and foremost. Then we can move on to other officials both republican and democrat as to who knew what and when if that's really necessary. Like I said before though, this is just a really ugly color for the GOP; trying to hold Nancy Pelosi accountable before the Bush administration and other officials in the republican congress at the time is ludicrous. This is another political strategy that shows me how out-of-touch the republican party is. Many and myself have been very upset with the republican party already and this attempt to throw Nancy Pelosi under the bus before the Bush administration and the republican controlled congress at the time is just disgusting and shows me they have no responsibility for their actions and much less, dignity. The republicans need to just keep quiet for awhile and figure out who they are, because each political move like this they make is making them more and more undesirable to the American public.
Bush & Cheney are passing the buck to avoid the facts. Cheney said he signed off on waterboarding, and Bush did too,
Quit wasting all this bull time, and get the report, And get Bob Graham's also.
The Bush Administration needs to be held accountable for war crimes for approving and deploying such tactics. Nancy Pelosi was not the President or Vice President when Torture was going on. The Republicans need to stop trying to take the heat off themselves, and everyone should turn their attention back to the real Liars (the Republicans).
Who cares about Nancy, the CIA or the idiot Bush administration. Don't these politicians get it? We have record unemployment, people are losing their jobs, people in the U.S. are actually starving. We are killing young men every day in countries where the citizens will ultimately hate us. Get off the Nancy Pelosi and CIA bandwagon and get on with running the country you bunch of boobs.
I don't doubt she may have lied (I'm a democrat) ...but if the GOP wants her to be held accountable then they also need to hold the Bush Administration accountable for war crimes for approving and deploying such tactics.
The Rep are looking,sounding,acting very desparate.The best way to dig yourself out of a hole, is by kicking dirt at someone else
Nancy Pelosi has made accusations that she needs to be held accountable for. She historically has held her GOP opponents to the same level of scrutiny. Her press conference on Thursday trying to put to rest accusations that she knew about waterboarding of terrorist suspects was her way of again trying to blame the Bush administration for her lack of thoughtful commentary. She needs to quit trying to attack the Bush administration and take account for her own actions.
Hey Nancy, Move on , Man up, and lead the House rather that embarrass your party, the congress and the American people for which you are to serve.
Gop is just stirring up dust, regarding the speaker" what she knew" & "when she knew it" I am ony concern with who order the torture
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