By Jim Acosta
In the first two parts of our series, “Patriots or Extremists?” we looked at the growth of private militias in this country. Now we turn to a group whose founder says he doesn't need a militia. That's because his organization is recruiting its members... right out of the military and law enforcement.
Just a couple of miles off the Las Vegas strip inside a casino ballroom, dozens of men and women are taking an oath. An oath, they say, to the Constitution of the United States – not to the president.
"If we're going to watch while our country dies and think that there's nothing we can do about it, we're wrong," says Richard Mack, a former sheriff.
They call themselves the "Oath Keepers," and last month they held their first national conference.
The group's founder, Stewart Rhodes, a former Army paratrooper and staffer for Congressman Ron Paul, says his members recite a revised version of the oath that's used for enlistment in the Armed Services, but they exclude this phrase: "I will obey the orders of the President of the United States."
"Our role is not to be obedient to whoever happens to be the leader. Our role is to defend the Constitution and the republic," says Rhodes.
The Oath Keepers aren't in Las Vegas looking for gamblers. They're seeking out police officers, sheriff's deputies, military veterans, even active duty members of the Armed Forces. If you've taken an oath to protect this nation, the Oath Keepers want you.
So are the Oath Keepers a militia group? “We don't need to be. We're the military and the police," says Stewart.
The Oath Keepers call on their members to disobey any orders, as they put it, "to disarm the American people," or "to force citizens into detention camps." It's a pledge Rhodes recites in an anti-Obama DVD called: "The Fall of the Republic."
Mark Potok, who monitors extremist groups for the Southern Poverty Law Center, says the Oath Keepers are exploiting false rumors found on fringe Web sites.
"Many of the Oath Keepers are people who believe martial law is about to be imposed it is right around the corner," says Potok.
Rhodes insists his group is not anti-government and not anti-Obama.
Read Jim's follow-up to the 'Patriots or Extremists?' series
Brian McGough with the Democratic-leaning veterans group Votevets.Org worries soldiers in the Oath Keepers will pick and choose which orders to follow, disrupting the chain of command.
"All they're doing is hurting their unit. All they're doing is hurting the military and all they're doing is hurting their friends. They should really think about that."
Critics say the Oath Keepers simply vindicate this recent report from the Department of Homeland Security that warned "right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans."
The DHS declined to comment for this story, but Rhodes blasted its report at the founding of the Oath Keepers earlier this year.
The group was founded at the site of the first shots fired in the American Revolution - Lexington, Massachussets.
As for those orders the Oath Keepers say they will not obey – there is no proof that the government is building detention camps around the country. And there are no proposals coming from the White House or Democratic leaders in Congress for new gun control laws. The Department of Homeland Security has no comment on the group.
Boy, the kool aid has been flowing on this bog. lets clear up some facts here.
(1) Enlisted service members take an oath to obey the (lawfull) orders of the President and those appointed over them. Military Commissioned Officers Do NOT make the same oath. Also it is not only lawfull for them to disobey UNLAWFULL orders, but it is their duty to do so, no matter the outcome to them for doing so. Note: I inserted the word Lawfull due to the UCMJ. that word is not in the Current oath.
2) Those that call these Americans traitors with not skin in the game are just a little better than scum. They are noisy scam. It's easy to point a finger and say you don't have the Right to do that. It's another thing to do something about it. In other words "the only rights you really have, are the ones your willing to fight for". Other than that, your just parasites living off the good graces of those than have given all they had (their lives) so you could spout you vial crap. Don't get me wrong I support your 1st Amen. rights to flap your gums, its just that you have no creditability to say what your saying FYI. So when someone comes to your door with a gun in their hand, you let them know that you have rights and they can't shoot you. ok.
3) Any of you'll that think that the Media tells the true about anything are fools. They are propaganda peddlers, cut and dry. They have an agenda just like our Congressmen, Senators, President and wallstreet does.
4) IMO This is not a democrate, republican, black, white, conservative or liberal issue. It's bigger than that. It's about what type of country we are going to leave to our children.
I agree with some of you here on some things though. Did President Bush voilate his oath? In my opinion, yes. Was he alone? No. Should he and others be held accountable, yes. Many here ask where were these "oathtakers" during the Bush years? Well where were you. What skin did you put in the fight? None.
As to those that say that the "oath takers" serving on active duty should be court martialed. Your an idiot. What are you going to charge them with? Failing to follow UNLAWFULL orders? Encuraging americans to read the constitution and knowing thier rights? They are not a Militia and they don't claim to be one. Some of you may be right on one issue though ..... that they are haters. It appears to me that they hate those that fail to follow the oath they took to the people of the United States of American, but can't judge or blame them for that.
Oaths for Officers are different than Enlisted- see below
Officers agree to support and defend the Constitutionand the several States against all enemies "foreign and domestic" but by defending the Constitution which enshrines the POTUS as the C in C they are supporting any governmental policies. Witness policies such as the Indian Wars or the Japanese-American Camps in WWII that would be considered abhorant today. There was no large scale muntiny in the military ranks because by policy the directives were lawful. The UCMJ shows that unlawful orders need never be followed as in a illegal killing- but policy directives need to be followed by the DOD, as per the CIV Control of the Military. What amazes is that the same individuals who are touting such "militiaism" are the same that say "States Rights" was the justification for the Confederate Insurrection that saw thousands of officers who swore oaths to the USA become traitors (i.e. Robert E. Lee). I say all of this as an Officer in the US Army.
By the way the Organized Reserve Act and National Guard Acts were the last laws in reference to a well organized Militia as mentioned in the 2nd Amendment- these are the Militia spoken about not some rabble sporting clubs which support treason......
The wordings of the current oath of enlistment and oath for commissioned officers are as follows:
"I, _____, do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." (Title 10, US Code; Act of 5 May 1960 replacing the wording first adopted in 1789, with amendment effective 5 October 1962).
"I, _____ (SSAN), having been appointed an officer in the Army of the United States, as indicated above in the grade of _____ do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign or domestic, that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservations or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which I am about to enter; So help me God." (DA Form 71, 1 August 1959, for officers.)
Remember Katrina? The govt did nothing; then they showed up to declare martial law and go door to door taking peaceful citizens guns. Americans have a short memory. WWll: the japanese camps. Kent state: students shot by national guardsman. It happened before and it could happen again tomorrow. I would just like to see more people of color in all these groups, these people have felt the wrong side of govt policy time and time again. I'm glad the whites are finally getting it. Welcome, and let's stand together.
Please SEARCH back up and READ Randy's Comment.
IT IS VERY WORTH READING!!!
I suspect they are very practical, law abiding citizens who believe in the constitution and want to preserve the freedoms we have. The government doesn't have a clean record of treating citizens fairly. Consider how thousands of Japanese Americans were illegally put in camps. As far as gun ownership goes, most early American's owned a gun, including young boys. The frontier was a dangerous place, and kids were taught to survive.
Obama is a TRAITOR – he works for the special interests groups not the American people and I'm glad we have true Americans willing to stand and fight for our rights!!!!
"The President shall be commander in chief of the Army and Navy of the United States"
United States Constitution, Article II
These crazies are disobeying the Constitution as well as the Commander-in-chief.
They are just domestic terrorists trying to hide their hate.
What about the environmental extremists? The anti-world bank extremists? Where was the "militia" special on them? These groups were responsible for uncontrolled rioting, destruction of public property, and vast vandalism! Don't forget the E.L.A. But wait, "they are a peaceful movement". This is why people continually lose trust in the media. Any special you do I cannot trust, but I can trust the men and women of this country who serve their country with honor and respect, who do not advance chaos and weak arguments, who stand and continually stand for this country.
I wonder if they read Article II of the Constitution where in Section 2 it states: "The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States."
In other words you'll defend what parts of the Constitution that are convenient for you to make some political statement. Your extremist views are those of a minority, otherwise Rush "have another pill and wash it down with 75 hotdogs" Limbaugh would be lord and master of the imperial fiefdom of america.
No different than Al Quaida.
....small group of disinfranchised citizens who latch onto the wording of their "one truth" or their "country's heritage" and use it as an excuse to demonstrate their fears and attack others...
No different than ethnic cleansing.
No different than inquisitions.
No different than witch hunts.
No different than McCarthyism.
All people who were VERY scared of their neighbors, and decided to try to get rid of them in some way.
We are trying to keep people alive by having more health care and less wars. Instead, these people are putting their own fears and intentions, (that everyone is against everyone else and should therefore be attacked), onto the rest of us who have no such intentions or thoughts.
How wounded must you be to not be able to see and accept good intentions and help when they are offered? And how strange to then assume that the helpful person is thinking the scared and angry thoughts that you are actually thinking.
Better schools and more health care and less wars and world peace are all good things. Where in this is a reason to think someone is trying to kill you and that you should get ready to attack them?
If you reallly want to do an informative piece, do an honest study of the Southern Poverty Law Center, a half dozen guys who specialize in taking money from rich/guilty liberals by creating phantom rightwing boogie men that have to be contained, and only your donation can do it. These con men make Jimmy Swaggert look good. The SPLC may have done some good years ago, but today they are just conmen taking advantage of gullible leftwingers. Don't believe me, check out their ratings on any charity rating service.
Where were the Oath Keepers when we needed them? You know to refuse to go into Iraq on the grounds that it was absolutely, clearly, certainly and obviously a political operation, engendered by a secret agenda. Nothing at all to do with defending the Constitution. Any conflict there? Let me parapharase the movie. Say something increduously stupid and the nitwits will gather.
Mart: Please assure everyone that you don't vote.
It's easy to spot the Fox News watchers in this discussion. They rant about losing the country to socialism and immigrants because of their choice of "news" sources. The rest of us aren't ignorant or asleep–we just don't share their right-wing delusions.
Fox watchers, you are being fed paranoid propaganda. Fox wants you angry, armed, and against anything and anybody they don't like. Fox News doesn't care about what their demented agenda leads. As long as they can make money.
More nut cases with a gripe and "imagined" conspiracy theories. Jeez!
People like this are leading our country into anarchy. Sadly, they do not understand the president (whoever hs or she is) is the leader of the country, including the military.
With all the social issues we face in this country, why are these people concerned with guns? more people are going hungry than ever before, more people are on some sort of welfare than ever before, child abuse is up, and the education system is in real trouble – the list is huge. Why not get upset about these things and get involved in a solution?
Also, AFAIK, no one takees an oath to a person. Instead of making up this nonsense, they should spend their time thinking about how they might make life better for those less fortunate.
By the way, all you fools that say that Oath Keepers are racist because we have a "black" president are racist yourself. You see the "black" in Obama – I see the white. He's half and half you know, which makes him just as much white as black.
Obama can't be blamed for all that's happening. He's just a puppet of the New World Order, just like the Bushes before him, Clinton, etc. Watch the video on youtube about Kennedy talking about secret societies (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xhZk8ronces). Ooops. He got shot – must have been some wacky conspiracy theorist that killed him, eh? Didn't have anything to do with Kennedy's plans to get rid of the private bankers at the Fed. Blah, Blah, Blah.
Don't do any research – just sit back and enjoy the news and American Idol. Eat your fast food – disconnect from your families – abort your babies – everything's going to be ok. I'm from the government – I'm here to help.
Taking an oath to defend the constitution is a good thing. Believing in your right to own a firearm is the duty of every American. It doesnt matter if Obama has said that he is taking away our guns or if he is planning to set up detention centers. Beleive me that could happen very quickly. Just let a crisis happen where he declares a national emergency and martial law and watch how fast guns will be outlawed and systematically confiscated. I'm not paranoid but I am realistic. these guys want to control every aspect of your lives and they are going about it systematically. First destroy the economy, take over health care then hyperinflation destroys the dollar and our economy collapses. Next in order to protect everyone martial law is instated. Wow what next. Just a theory that could never happen could it....
Hooray for the oath keepers. God knows our politicians don't keep theirs. I'm glad our citizens serving in our armed forces and police on the street are willing to stand up and public state they won't take orders that fall outside the Constitution.
We don't have to have something happening right under our noses to be prepared for it – and be ready to stop it. Oh, I'm a conservative American. Not a republican, democrat, libertarian, green partyer...just someone who thinks that we need to return to the ancient landmarks that made our nation great.
Put Principles before party; don't believe everthing the media tells you; do your homework (on the internet) as there are lots of very good factual sites, videos, etc. Google PNAC, End the Fed, the MIAC report, Ron Paul, Trilateral Commission, CFR (Council on Foreign Relations); David Rockefellar; etc. You see we have PLENTY to be concerned about as independent, freedom-minded Americans.
If we really needed the "Oathkeepers" they would have been rounded up for treason and executed or imprisoned well before now. That has not happened, so obviously things must not be that bad eh? Of course maybe Obama is just smarter than you, and since your organization is so public and he can keep an eye on you hes just waiting for the best time to strike? Seeing as how you didnt feel the need to keep your little rebellion secret where it might do some good (thus breaking rule one of any smart freedom fighter) against this "massive Evil army"it must be doomed since your enemy is way smarter than you. Maybe though your right much in the way the proponents of Civil War were "right" and your are the vanguard of a new army composed of our own military which you will be forced to fight against and seeing as how your taking this so seriously you must be prepared to kill all our sailors, airmen, soldier and marines (not to mention cops, citizens etc) who have no doubt been brainwashed by being forced to single pro-Obama songs....and theres a lot of those right? Guess they will have to die so the righteous may live eh? Or maybe just maybe its not really your rights that are being abridged and instead perhaps your minds have just been unhinged? Read your history gentlemen, either your about to be "put down" by the tyrant, or your about to start a civil war (in which case you kill a LOT of innocent people, your wrong and you lose...not just the fight but your honor and souls) or you have gotten something very very important, very very wrong. Who really is the bad guy here? Stop the nonsense, go help people that really need help if you really have to do something...i know there are plenty of Good causes for you too champion that dont involve treason and armed pointless rebellion.
Oh and just in case you do start your rebellion against the evil army of your fellow citizens, please dont come to my house and kill my family and friends because i disagree with you, im just a poor, proud American trying to lead a good life and i will return the favor.
Earth to corporate owned media.
Ratings and ad revenue are crashing, the blogosphere is winning and it has exactly zero to do with cost & convenience.
The people see and reject state propaganda like never before.
In response to WFG, have a look at Article IV Section 4 wherein the Federal Government's role in "domestic violence" is addressed,
"Section 4.... and on application of the legislature, or of the executive (when the legislature cannot be convened) against domestic violence. " The legislature & executive enumerated being the state legislatures & governors.
I would love to see my congressman take the Oath Keeper pledge under penalty of treason. A new rep would be along in short order.
I am very saddened that the American people are willingly giving their rights away. Read the Constitution of the United State. Read what rights the President, the Senate and the House of Represenitives have. They are in violation of the Constition. The Constitution does not lie.
I wish this group. I hope will never need your services. I n would join myself but I am a woman and disabled
I was at the Oathkeepers event on Lexington Green and have met both Stewart Rhoades and Richard Mack. They are just two guys concerned about the erosion of the Constitution and about the government taking undue power. There was no anti-Obama retoric and the group came across as thoughful and reserved. It was all very positive and progressive and there was no hate speach or wild paranoia. Get your facts straight about this group. If you were't there don't make things up.
One really funny thing about these militias is that they actually think that, at that critical moment when the government finally becomes sufficiently tyrannical (hate to break it to them: that was a long time ago), their little militias will be able to effectively fight back against the entire U.S. government. Their romantic illusions of freedom are quite touching, but the fact is that the government really IS all-powerful and insurmountable. The fact that it's a tyranny of the majority makes it no less tyrannical.
Meanwhile, whom do the militias have on their side? A bunch of late-middle-aged, potbellied, off-duty deputy sheriffs whose main hobby is overdosing on cheap beer and donuts while watching pro sports on their plasma TVs. I don't think the US military is frightened of these "militias."
Yes, they are pretty nutty, and they hate Obama. OK.
But let's at least admit that the U.S. government HAS put U.S. citizens in detention camps–namely, the Japanese-Americans (ALL of them), during World War Two. Only 60 or so years ago. It is not as far-fetched a possibility as one might imagine. Only a short step from extraordinary rendition (outsourced torture) and Guantanamo and Abu Ghraib, to domestic camps. Why are we so horrified with the prospect of domestic detention camps, and not by Guantanamo? Because we think that Americans the only real human beings in the world.
Are tailors working on those Brown Shirts yet? These guys are a bunch of wannabe somebodies is all, I doubt most understand what the constitution really says or have never read it, the internet is full of the crazies, give me a break . why give a bunch of right wing jerks the media time?
In response to – Left Behind ;
I plan on standing by my Lord Jesus on the day of his coming armed with my SKS and perhaps AK-47, ready for battle ; if that day comes during my life time.., but still got the events that could happen in 2012, either way I'll be prepared and ready..
Only a wise man prepares and is ready for what ever may happen, while fools parish because of their ignorance..
These are men (Usually always men) who have way to much time on their hands. It is these groups that make us need gun control.
I remember an interview with Ronald Reagan in the 1980s and he commented that he sincerely believed that the "end times" were here and would see their fruition in his lifetime. Next. Look, people are entitled to their own BELIEFS, but they're not entitled to their own FACTS. This sort of wing-nuttish hysteria crops up everytime there's a Democrat in the White House (and the grandparents of our current crop of Palinistas were saying that FDR – the godless commie, etc etc ad infinitum ad nauseum – didn't even have a BIBLE in the White House). Again, if people get comfort demonizing the opposition, so be it. Thank goodness for the 2nd Amendment. I think many reasonable people can agree that there needs to be at least SOME gun ownership to ensure freedom and the rise of a tyrant. But bazookas? AK-47s? Puh-leez. The gun fringe has its points, but that's no excuse for paranoia, and some of these grown ups need to GROW UP. This isn't Hitler Germany people – and if the president gave an "illegal" order there is a constitutional instrumentality in place already to de-horse him, so to speak. These Oath Takers are vigilantes if they ever acted upon their dysturbed phantasies. God bless America.
Why aren't people more interested in keeping terriorists out of our military? Out of our country?
We the people are afraid of our government right now. We are afraid of losing our constitutional rights, our freedoms. The government should be the ones to fear us. We elect them, we can send them the pink slips they deserve when election rolls around. The government needs to remember for the people, of the people and by the people.
Our elected officials need to be reminded who pays their salaries. We need term limits. Elect no incumbent!
History repeats itself, all these Tea Bagger & militia types would've been the same people against freeing the slaves and giving minorities and woman the right to vote. They can spin it all they want but it's the absolute truth.
For those who keep reverting this argument back to Bush and Obama, who is to blame...? Wow! Anyone in this country who actually believes that these 2 men are the men making the decisions for our country and are responsible for the erosion of our personal and civil liberties needs to quit sucking on the teet of the corporate news machine. Just because you dont experience this erosion on a daily basis or at all in your personal life doesn't mean it is not there. For proof of this take a look at the internal check points set up within 200 miles of our international borders which are essentially constitution free zones now where Homeland Security no longer needs probable cause to search you and your vehicle.
Our policies are now dictated through the Corporatocracy and international banking institutions who's loyalties do not lie within any border or flag but who's entire driving force is control. Bush was a terrible president in the sense that these policies were enabled under him as well as those who came before him, and Obama is even worse because he is continuing these policies and expanding them. Obama is where he is for a reason, not because he is giving our country the change it wants, because he is a celebrity and our society is infatuated with celebrity. With the dire situation our country is in, I'm sorry, but I do not believe our president should be spending time making multiple appearances on late night television and plugging George Lopez in a commercial. If our country cared more about what is actually being passed into law as opposed to who was voted off American Idol, we may have a shot to reclaim our independence. Sadly, with the vast majority of our populace incapable of critical thinking and forming their own ideas of what is actually happening around them, i doubt this will happen.
When our Liberties are gone, let it not be said that we did nothing.
WFG says: "Miltias have NO RIGHT to stand on their own and have NO RIGHT to decide to disobey laws and decisions made by the Executive and Legislative branches."
um. again, Oath Keepers swear to uphold your rights as citizens, even if instructed to do otherwise .
By your reasoning, you're saying that what happened at Kent State, Montgomery Alabama Civil Right Protest, and the Japanese interment SHOULD have happened – all because we don't have the right to and shouldn't disobey orders – even though civil rights of American citizens were being violated? You may want to study German history for some case studies about those who wouldn't disobey orders.
why do thay have to be racist can one explain this line i have read in the comment's ?
i dont see anything good coming out of the white house so i guess i am ah racist also ??
how about the president who is a do nothing pres DO SOMETHING for once outside of trying to make america Amerika. the new ussr.
Where were these "oathkeepers" when a rogue president disobeyed the Constitution, suspended habeas corpus, curbed civil liberties, intruded on the privacy of American citizens, opened a concentration camp, considered declaring martial law and started a unilateral war against a country that didn't attack America - during the Bush administration? Why were they silent about these very obvious and documented violations of the American democratic system then?
You geniuses think they are not trying to take away our firearms...you obviously do not follow the latest legislation...try the Blair-Holt Firearms Act....and that just scrapes the surface of the plans coming down the pipe...Wake Up America....little pieces of socialism eventually turn into communism.....
President Obama gave Zar Kenneth Feinberg complete discretion over the $700 billion bailout. A man appointed not elected. Unfortunately,
Americans pay their salary + security protection. Burris from Illinois appointed as Senator. Did you think you would ever see that in America?
WWII, The treatment of the Japanese Americans thrown into camps, property confiscated. Did you think you would ever see that in America? Katrina, the public was never told of the quarantine of certain segments of the population. J.Edgar Hoover, Director of the FBI, hiding in his dress. Did you think you would ever see that in America?
Republicans or Democrats…. I have lived long enough to witness corruption and deception by these powerful ‘gatekeeper’s’, through the years. President Obama said today….I understand the problem…..Well, if everyone understands so well, why is it still a problem?
I don’t like the investigation at Fort Hood put on hold. I don’t like the President not stopping the flow of Illegals immigrants entering the U.S. and reproducing babies galore as Americans that they cannot support. I don’t like the fact that 1 out of 6 Americans goes hungry every night. I don’t like illegal drugs decaying our society.
I am not ashamed to say, I love my country, I believe in our constitution and I stand when my flag is passed before me, and I know the pledge, and I fly the flag that says, “ Don’t Tread On Me”, below my American Flag.
Lets not all follow the Pied Piper…..we are not sheep, it is a long way down over that cliff and there will be no coming back.
No I don’t get all warm and fuzzy and become an outrich , believing that I am ‘in good hands’.
These people aren't patriots, they're nationalists; living in Europe for over 15 years has taught me the difference. Nationalists (you know them as Nazis and Facists, but there are others, such as Peronists, the PKK, the Lega Nord, and yes, even the USSR era communists and French Gallists) pretty much said the same things. Some are more into guns than others, with largely predictable results.
While I was in the Reserves, more than once, I was "recruited" for these militias..(the "International Guard" was the one I heard most often, but I sure never took up an offer) and that was over 25 years ago. So lets face up, this is nothing new. But it still smacks of sedition.
These people sure love to quote American history; it's a shame they don't read a little further back. World history is littered with the results of militants, both in and out of government, who when they felt morally (or mentally) superior to the governed, stepped in to "save" the country. And all too often, lots of blood flows soon afterwards.
Certain religious groups have been stoking government, law enforcement and militrary members for better than 15 years, has anyone taken a careful look to see how many of these "New Minutemen" are also part of the "Left Behind" generation?
Nationalism and Fundamentalism – It seems American "Spiritual Warfare" could be about to move up to the next level. Maybe we can finally give Al Quada a run for their money!
For all those who are asking where these people were during Bush's presidency haven't taken the time to look at the original Oathkeepers Video.
Nothing in there has anything to do with Obama, but is focused alot on the FEMA response in New Orleans after Katrina, where people were disarmed in neighborhood that didn't get compromised. They kept people within the City. Even groups such as the Red Cross and the Salvation Army were prohibited entry to the city to assist in evacuation and feeding. People were fired upon by police officers when trying to walk from New Orleans over to Gretna. FEMA turned away all sorts of aid coming from the public and corporations.
Stop turning everything into racially charged nonsense. This group is formed to disobey illegal orders if they are ever issued and uphold the constitution. The mission is to keep the Military and Police officers aware of the rights of the people so they aren't caught off guard as they were during the Katrina aftermath.
There are limits on what the Federal Government is allowed to regulate stipulated in the Bill of Rights, those rights are there for a reason because there will come a time when the congress and the president (doesn't have to be now or in 10 years) will try to take away these rights (whats left of them). When these orders are issued our military and police is bound to the constitution not to the orders of the Excecutive/Legislative/Judicial branches of government to protect the Constitution. That is the document that gave "We The People" our protection from those who govern us, there is no clause in the constitution that authorizes the Government to violate these rights at any time.
" I, (NAME), do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the PRESIDENT of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God." This is the oath taken by all military enlisting in the armed forces. I would question this guys service, at least service in this country.........
The federal government gave up on operating within the constraints of the Constitution decades ago. The Oathkeepers may be "extremists," which apprently only applies to white men, but having a group dedicated to defending the Constitution when the governemnt has done just about everything within it's power to subvert the Constitution and to expand its action beyond its Constitutional authority seems to me to be a neccessity. if the Government limited itself to the authority it is granted by the Constitution and did not trample all over the rights of the individual and the States then there would be no reason for the group.
Trust yourself before you trust the Government or any agent of the Government.
Have an Evil day
Please keep in mind that our 'founding fathers' were slave owning drug dealers (tobacco).
So let's take that into perspective when you want to quote anything they said.
Oathkeepers has no people of color supporting it. It is a white supremacist group of lunatics who think they can defy the law and act as an armed militia.
The next Timmy McVeigh will come from a group such as this one.
By definition and historical fact, REAL militias have been governed and led by the state and federal government. That was also part of the Revolutionary War program. Pretending that paramilitary militias that are not governed by the state is a fraud led by irrational extremists. It is a step closer to Taliban jihadist dictatorship desires. it is utterly embarrassing for America. If you want to
be in a militia and do what is right, AND what was indicated by the Constitution...join the Reserves. Then we could have some respect, rather than disdain & pity for you. Right now, they are not patriots....just immature extremists.
I think this segment purposely was trying to mislead the audience. From what I understand, the oaths military swear to uphold the Constitution other the years has been changing to support and obey the president. Think about this for a moment. That is a big change. Dictators want their military to swear to them and not to the people, or a Constitution.
People are very careless thinking, oh, I will always have my rights, I'm
an American. Wake Up, they are legislating your rights down the toilet. It has been going on for some time. Please, start looking around and asking questions. I have been reading and learning about the bills they are passing. The left and right are both owned by high end bankers. When they run for office see who their major contributors are. Obama AND McCain biggest supporters were BANKS. Do you see why our country is going to collapse. Read and get information from more sources than one.
I don't know about you but I was just as unhappy with Bush as Obama, in fact they seem to be on the same course. If Obama would cancel all of Bushes Executives Orders it sure would make me less nervous. Go, read Bushes executive orders.
Our military is committing suicide at alarming rates, could it be that they are frustrated by what is going on and feel powerless. I watch a video and a young vet said "If you want to support the Vets LISTEN to them". Our biggest export is the Military Industrial Complex. We are invading countries.
This is not about any particular president it's about YOUR CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. Ignore the Constitution you can kiss you freedoms away.
These folks are indeed extremists, as well as immature adults that will scream loudly when something does not go their way. They are like 12-year old bullies that beat-up smaller kids, but cry when they don't win. They do not act or speak like patriotic people. But rather, like far-right Jihadist extremists attempting to convince weaker people to join. Gee, does that sound familiar to the Taliban? Real gun advocates, like my family of hunters, are embarrassed by such immature lunacy. Extremists...unpatriotic....bad for America.
To those that judge members of Oath Keepers solely on this report, you need to go further than what this report says. We are not a hate group or a militia. Some of us own guns some of us don't but have access to them if the situation changes. Its not that we believe that their is a movement to take our guns away and put us in FEMA Camps but with some of the info that is available we have concerns that such an event could occur in a short time period. This report talks about What if? Well, What if what some are concerned about is real? What would you do then? If you haven't noticed the loss of Liberty that has occurred here in the US over the last 40 years then your head is not where it should be. I would suggest to those that only rely on the media for their news to do some research for yourself. When you see a news report and they don't ask a question that you would have, do the research yourself and see what differing opinions there are out there. This is a media hit piece on those that have offered up their lives to save your way of life and liberty. Please don't allow the media to mal-align your opion of us. We are your Husbands, Fathers, Son's and daughters and we deserve at least the respect of giving our voices a chance to be heard. None of us are violent but if needed to be we have shown in the past with our service to our great nation that we will defend you and yours the rights that our Constitution declares. I would appreciate it if CNN would retract their statements because they are false and misleading and provide the other side of the story without the ridiculous opinion of the person doing the story. Their job is to report news not opinion.
Put your tinfoil hats on everyone!
The government is coming to lock you and me up and take our rights!
You should do some research before you decide to blather on. The President is elected and as such functions as part of the constitution, until he/she (general terms) violates the constitution he/she is protected under the same oath.
As for your comments about the current health care bill – Well, the 10th amendment specifically says that if it wasn't delegated to the Fed Gov then it remains with the states or the people. Nowhere in the constitution does it provide for healthcare, not even in the preamble you quoted. While the preamble is part of the constition it is not part of the legal framework of the constitution, it only gives an insight to the intent of the framers when the wrote the constitution.
See Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11, 22 (1905) ("Although th[e] preamble indicates the general purposes for which the people ordained and established the Constitution, it has never been regarded as the source of any substantive power conferred on the government of the United States, or on any of its departments."); see also United States v. Boyer, 85 F. 425, 430–31 (W.D. Mo. 1898) ("The preamble never can be resorted to, to enlarge the powers confided to the general government, or any of its departments. It cannot confer any power per se. It can never amount, by implication, to an enlargement of any power expressly given. It can never be the legitimate source of any implied power, when otherwise withdrawn from the constitution. Its true office is to expound the nature and extent and application of the powers actually conferred by the constitution, and not substantively to create them." (quoting 1 JOSEPH STORY, COMMENTARIES ON THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES § 462 (1833)) (internal quotation marks omitted)).
WFG – WRONG in a big way; states are seperated through a series of powers. The constitution was written to protect the militias from power-hungry anti-Americans such as Obama....
Groups like this are excellent; they keep the liberal anti-American agenda in check. Far too many Americans drag through their daily lives not giving a second look at what Obama's doing now that he's in office; the damage he and his administration are doing will take decades to repair....and that's decades our children have to pay for. Liberals are lemmings that are easily fooled and lead to slaughter because of some sort of mental deficiency, they cannot grasp reality. So, conservative, TRUE Americans have to keep an eye on this administration until they're out of office. IT's truly shame because that's 4 yrs of Nannyism that we have to tolerate before we can start down the road to prosperity again. Don't forget; – it was Obama, Raines, Dodd and Freddie mac and Fannie Mae that crippled our economic structure. It's totally Obama's fault that this nation is suffering.
I begin my comments with this truth…GOVERNMENT CAN ONLY EXPAND OR GROW BY CONSUMING OR TAKING AWAY AN EQUAL AMOUNT OF LIBERTY.
I support the Oathkeepers, but before you label me as a radical, wacko, or any other derogatory name hear what I have to say.
President Bush did a great deal of harm with a questionable war in Iraq, and no bid contracts to select companies who are profiting greatly on the war. His stimulus package did little to help the economy, but his political friends profited greatly at taxpayer expense.
The Patriot Act was an assault on liberty, and there are GUN CONTROL provisions with the creation of martial law…a tool of the president for any reason he chooses. Then there is the Brady Bill. Registration of my fire arms infringes on my second amendment right to own and bear arms. How much more infringement is there than the government having a complete list of all fire arms in the US and the address where those firearms can be confiscated.
President Obama has taken the Bush abuses to new heights, and he is attempting to do more.
Where did the money from his first stimulus go? It obviously is not doing the economy any good. How about his bail out of (nationalizing) banks, insurance companies, and auto manufacturers...
The health care bill, that just passed the house, is more of a power grab bill than health care. It gives the government unprecedented power. Just a couple that affect the individual directly. The bill gives the government complete and unfettered access and control of all your medical records. It also gives the government total access to all your financial records.
Even more horrifying is the government’s ability to automatically withdraw funds from your account if your insurance is deemed ‘INADEQUATE’ by a governmental agency. Can you imagine the bounced checks and the profits to the banks from ‘Insufficient Funds’ fees?
I have an enormous fear of both the Republicans and the Democrats. It is blindingly obvious that neither party is listening to the people.
History shows that all totalitarian governments start with slow but accelerated power grabs and a corresponding loss of liberty for the people.
How different would the world be if Hitler’s Germany had had a constitution like ours and a high percentage of the military sworn members of an organization like the Oathkeepers?
Yes, I fully support the Oathkeepers and hope and pray their numbers grow exponentially.
Stunning ignorance! Can I apply for a job as an ignorant CNN personality?
No gun control? No FEMA camps?
Get a legislative lacky to look up pending legislation and stealth gun control measures buried in the bills that keep rolling out of the sausage factory.
Oh and I guess $500 million paid to Haliburton/KBR to build and outfit detention camps on American soil is also a hoax?
Or is it complicity?
What these people is on the same level of being KKK, but under a different name. They are so afraid that the now president might do something right that all the previous presidents could not do. Remember all the previous president was white and look at the mess we are in now. We live in a country when individual can run for the highest office in the nation, president and vice president and spread rumors to get people to hate the people of color and then pretend that they did not do it.
They want to use their reason for being has nothing to do with Obama's skin color is a bunch of bull. If there words affect some person who have a problem in their own life, to take the president life, then they would rejoice over it.
They are teaching their children to hate as well. How can we as american condemn what happen at Fort Hood when we have this going on outside the army base. They are just as bad or worse than all the terriost here and abroad.
This kind of thinking has been going on forever and a day and as long as we give them the time of day, it will continue to be that way. If they were really afraid then they should come up with better ways to help this country and stop people from killing each other. If we don't change our ways, we will become a nation of people who destroyed each other.
There fear is if this president who is black can some how get this country back on track, that there will be more people of color in the white house. Instead of going forward, this country is beginning to go backward where a lot of people want to put people back into slavery, the only that is stopping them they do not know how to go back to that time period again.
People of color and no matter where they are from will not let that happen again. Since the white population is now becoming the minority and people of color are becoming the majority, they need to remember this is to there on doing not the people of color.
Other countries are sitting back and have a good laugh at us for acting so stupid and are waiting for the right time to step in a make these things that this group come true, the only difference will be, that will be a war they can not win. Instead of working against each other we need to work with each other before it is too late
It's a disturbing paradox that they take an oath to the Constitution, but not to the President. They are selecting a key Article of the Constitution to disregard. The role of the President is defined in Article 2 of the Constitution including being comander in chief of the armed forces. Should they also disregard selected Amendments? That 15th Amendment is soooo 1870.
It is funny that you call these "Oath Keepers" fools and idiots and ignorant and whatever else. These are the same people you do or have once relied upon to protect you, your loved ones, your rights and your safety. This group is made up of former military in many different positions, former sherriffs and police officers, state troopers and any one who has taken an oath to do what? TO PROTECT ALL OF YOU THE AMERICAN PEOPLE AND YOUR RIGHTS!
Why did you trust them before when they took oaths, that at one point in this country's history were labeled extreme, but you abandon them now when they are simply promising your protection once more? Why are they all of a sudden the WEAKLINK in this country now , when before they were labeled our strong brave protectors?
Some of you are accusing this group of suddenly forming when we received an AFRICAN-AMERICAN president! First of all lets leave it at AMERICAN Isnt that what he would want in the first place? The president wants to end the race war! so you as president EXTREMIST supporters should not even bring up or label people in race catagories, correct? Second were we informed of exactly when the group was even first thought of? It takes a long time to organize and iron out speeches and get a big group of people together. Is it possible it did start with a little chunk of people when bush was in office or even clinton? Yes it is. Third stop and consider what would have happened if the PATRIOTIC EXTREMISTS in or country's past would not have stood up for the future of the USA. I do believe some of you would be having a SPOT OF TEA right about now or getting ready to pay your taxes to the french and wait for your bread hand out, or bow down to any other country that wanted to rule these lands!
Labeling these people as Extremists is basically you FORCING your opinion on us regular joes! Back off and be a little happy that these people are going to stick up for you EVEN WHEN YOU DON'T KNOW YOU NEED THEM TO!
Also, if you did'nt have the nerves to question Bush & why he was not doing all he could do to help the country when he was in office, what has changed so much that you NOW have the nerves to start questioning the new president? We all know what it is, the color of the new president's skin has brought to the surface the deep race hatred that has been sitting quietly for so long. Never in their wildest dreams did they ever think a black man would be president & now that he is, they want everything to be fixed in 4 years that took decades for us to get into.Thank You Obama for standing up for the people & putting a stop to making the rich man richer & lining the pockets of the republic & we do understand that you are trying your best & we also see the hatemongers & republic trying to fight everything you try to accomplish.Truth & Justice will always prevail!
I support the Oathkeepers, but before you label me as a radical, hear what I have to say.
Where did the money from his first stimulus go? It obviously is not doing the economy any good. How about his bail out of (nationalizing) banks, insurance companies, and auto manufacturers...
I have an enormous fear of both the Republicans and the Democrats. It is blindingly obvious that neither party is listening to the people.
History shows that all totalitarian governments start with slow but accelerated power and a corresponding loss of liberty for the people.
Where were the Oath Keepers when G Bush was running the country from the Dick Cheney bunker? My God the Republicans lost the election just wait 3 years and run someone that will let the gun lobby run the country the way it has for 50 years. This is still a free country, or they would not be able to spout such treason. I served in the military for 20 years and took orders from the people above me; I took an Oath and did what I was told. The Oath Keepers should be looking at the way a bill is passed and the checks and balances that must be used to make it happen. If they are so up on the constitution they need to be ashamed of the lack of support for the laws they gave an oath to protect. By the way as a Black American can I join the group or is the Preamble not part of the constitution? Stop worrying about the Second Amendment and read the rest of the document but I guess that’s too much work. We have a country where you can say anything you want as long as it does no harm, and we have laws, poor as some maybe, but yet we have them for all to be protected. Even the ones that want to run their own little country based on hate and a lack of know age on how laws are made and government is ran? By the way what laws were broken when G Bush was in power? And how much money changed hands to make that happen? Were the Oath Keepers before January 1 2009?
This is disturbing. Interfering with military units is basically treason, especially when there have been no such actions by the government that justify said treason. By taking this oath, you are essentially going back on the Oath of Enlistment that you take going into the military.
Right wingers are worried about a communist plot to take over our country. Yet, these wingnuts are the ones going around forming militia groups, aka "cells" (where have we heard that before?), and telling soldiers to disobey the government just like the communists they're worried about did in Revolutionary Russia. Oh yeah, this is the same way that Hitler and other reactionary despots started their rise to power.
I only see one consipiracy, the one being formed by the right while they tell us all to look left.
Come on people.
Who do you think own's the news, not us people and you would rather believe them and their opinions than find out the actual truth. Do your research. Find out what the group is about instead of hearing the opinion of the news.
Sounds like a bunch of sheep in here to me.
At least this group is trying to do the right thing by following the Constitution which is more than I can say for our government.
If everyone would do their part and start watching and speaking up to their polititions we wouldn't be in the situation we are in. Pay attention to who you are voting for not go with the flow or their promises!!
As a Vietnam Veteran and gun owner I support law and order and the Constitutions Bill of Individual Rights! I don't hate anyone based upon any Physical, Ethnic, Religious, or Political beliefs! I recognize that those with opposing points of view regardless of opinions contray to my own have the same Rights Guarenteed under the Law from the very same document, the Constitution and its Bill of Individual Rights to disagree. This is what I will defend! What I fear are those that exploit the extremes of each others argument making it necessary to being grouped or choosing sides when neither really fits.
I surely wouldn't say I'm ready to join any group but this group reflects some major sentiment going on today. Our country is falling apart and the goverment we rely on to fix it is actually tearing it apart and its not Obama its the whole system no matter who is in charge of it. No candidate has run with the constitution in mind. Think about how bad things are getting.......we have 1. Drug enforcement agency 2. gang task force 3. now we have a people trafficking task force............ 4. letting prisoners out for overcrowding 5. reducing sentences to keep the prison populaton down 6. Prison that lawbreakers can enjoy, cable, health care, recreation, pool table....no deterent
Good to see a group who will be willing to do something about it all, history on every continent has called for change throughout history. Hopefully our goverment can turn a corner and start to make decisions for the people again or I'm afraid this country could have some form of domestic warfare.........as of now evil is dominating over good and our goverment is allowing it to happen
Its hilarious how these deep seeded race haters continue to come up with things that sound like they are doing good for the country but deep down the hidden agenda is racism.If you really wanted to take an oath to stand for the so called Constitution what is the purpose of adding the comment that you don't won't to do the same for the president, that could have been left out. And the statement about "whoever happens to be the leader" is just a cover up to save face because had the so called 'Oath Keepers" (LOL who can take them serious?) said what they really wanted to say which is "they don't want to obey a president of another race" they would be in hot water, thus the cover up with broad words. When Bush was in office tearing up the ECONOMY & country for 8 years, (our country did not get in this shape over night) which our current president has to try to fix in 4 years, you weren't hooping & hollering then.But now that those they hate for no reason are in office they can use him as the reason for everything going wrong. Please, wake up! Find something worth doing people!
oh yeah... tax funded public education is Socialism... I guess we need to prevent socialism and close public schools.
just remeber one thing. when the time comes you will have to pic a side.bottom line thats whats going to suck
George Washington: “The power under the constitution will always be in the people. It is entrusted for certain defined purposes, and for a certain limited period, to representatives of their own choosing; and, whenever it is executed contrary to their interest, or not agreeable to their wishes, their servants can and undoubtedly will be recalled. “
Recalled by means of vote...not by taking up arms against them.
jesus christ ! Barak Obama is NOT going to take away your guns you morons. He has not done 1 thing to indicate that. The supreme court justice he recently instated voted in favor of protecting gun rights.
reading some of the comments here I just have to say WOW! Some of you that spout of things like Obama took the pledge out of schools. NEWSFLASH- that happened way before Obama was even running for office.
After listening to mr. Rhodes remarks on his kind of justice only reminds us of idiots that have nothing to do but to try sewing bad seeds among the weak minded.May God have mercy on him.
If they are unhappy with this country, leave. I compare this group with religious zealots. Both are insane and will say anything to justify their cause. I would like to see them all sterilized so their agenda's die with them.
If service personnel are negating the oath they took when they enlisted, they should be court martialed and then dishonorably discharged. If law enforcement personnel are negating their oath of duty, they should be fired. These people are putting their own interpretation of "the law" and "the Constitution" ahead of all else, and that doesn't just make them treasonous. It makes them dangerous to the security of the United States, dangerous to all of us.
You say Obama is leading this country to socialism. Could you please define socialism, because the Fire Department is a good example of socialism... should we be 100% capitalist, and have to pay the fire department to save our homes?
I'm 99% sure you are just repeating propoganda and you have no clue what you are talking about.
Are these Oath Keepers ALL White, Men?
I didn't see any on the CNN videos.
I agree with the oath keepers (not 100%) I defend the United States and the people, if it come's to it where you need to if need be, force the current president out Im in. Thats just me. But alot of Marine are wearing that around here.
Silly season started last February. Now it has morphed into silly and dangerous. Where were these clowns when Dubya, Cheney and Rumsfeld were shredding the Constitution for eight years? They thought the Constitution was quaint and didn't fit in todays' world. Same with the Geneva Convention. What happened?
Call it what you want. It is all smoke and mirrors.
There's no indication of whether any of them have ever actually READ the Constitution.
I noticed the only amendment that they mention is the 2nd. These aren't patriots or keepers of the Constitution. They are using fear rhetoric to get people excited about gun ownship. The false and misleading statements and material from this wacko group are far more dangerous to our safety then the current President. No one has said anything about detention camps, no, that's not true, the far right wants camps for Muslims and hispanics. What's it like to be a false propagandist?
These people are borderline subversive. It is for the United States Supreme Court to determine what the constitution is and what it means, not any old rightist nutter with an assault rifle.
You don't like what government is doing? Fine. Vote to change it. You can't just go all Lord of the Flies when you don't get your way. The civic immaturity of these clowns is astonishing.
Mart, what are you talking about? Guns were more available at the writing of the Constitution THAN they are now? What's your source for that???? What do you mean there were no governing laws, and had there been, then maybe the Revolution wouldn't have happened? The Founding Fathers were BRITISH citizens, subject to the laws of the British Crown, before the Declaration of Independence. Where on earth did you learn history? In a GOVERNMENT school? No wonder you're so blind and so in love with the chains you wear.
Jerry Blondell, you are my hero.
The Oath Keepers are patriots. We need a country filled with them.
hey james...Mr. "Lets pray 2012 comes fast so we can vote his ass out or at least it will be the end of the world."
You, sir, are a total and utter imbecile. You probably think the world was created in the span of a week and Jesus had a pet dinosaur.
"He has bankrupt our country with this "Bailout" for the banks when he should have given the money to us the citizens."
Really? Because, I'm pretty sure the bailouts were created under BUSH.
"Even McCain would have been better, he has experience, has military experience and has proven himself as a leader."
Again, really??? He's an old coot that can't think his way out of a wet paper bag and nearly had Outdoors Barbie seated at his right hand. He is a tempermental nitwit that chose Miss. I Like Shiny Things as his successor. He wouldn't have made it a year without keeling over and putting an even bigger moron in charge.
I am a Dem and proud of those dems that walk the center line with me. I think the GOP made it's biggest mistake discounting Ron Paul.
Big mistake...HUGE....I would have had reason to vote Rep last year.
These people are not fools, Dan, you are. The Obama Administration is clearly in favor of gun control. Get your facts straight.
Despite what the leader of the group says, this sounds like it is about not wanting to follow a President that they don't believe in. Which, as bad as it sounds, remains their right. You don't have to like the President or think he's a good leader. He's still the President.
However, the American people will give up their children before they allow the government to take away their guns or their cars. So if that's the real issue rallying the group together, they might as well disband now.
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