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April 21st, 2009
09:41 AM ET

Ron Paul: Secession is American

CNN's Kiran Chetry speaks to Rep. Ron Paul about Texas' governor's secession suggestion.
CNN's Kiran Chetry speaks to Rep. Ron Paul about Texas' governor's secession suggestion.

For ten years, Texas was a sovereign territory before joining the United States in 1845. It’s the stuff of legends that the “Lone Star State” could end the ties with the U.S. if its constituents want it that way.

Texas Governor Rick Perry, who's been highly critical of President Obama's stimulus package, raised the possibility that his state may one day secede from the union.

“We’ve got a great union. There’s absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people - who knows what might come out of that,” Perry told reporters last week.

The governor isn't the only one suggesting secession is not out of the realm. Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), a former presidential candidate, spoke with Kiran Chetry on CNN’s American Morning Tuesday.

Kiran Chetry: How serious is this secession talk?

Ron Paul: I don't think it's very serious. I don't think anybody called for secession, and I don't think the governor called for it. But he brings up an important issue. The biggest surprise to me was the outrage expressed over an individual who thinks along these lines, because I heard people say, well, this is treasonous and this was un-American. But don't they remember how we came in to our being? We used secession, we seceded from England. So it’s a very good principle. It’s a principle of a free society. It’s a shame we don’t have it anymore. I argue that if you had the principle of secession, our federal government wouldn't be as intrusive into state affairs and to me that would be very good.

We as a nation have endorsed secession all along. Think of all of the secession of the countries and the republics from the Soviet system. We were delighted. We love it. And yet we get hysterical over this just because people want to debate and defend the principle of secession, that doesn't mean they’re calling for secession. I think it's that restraining element of secession that would keep the federal government from doing so much. In our early history, they accepted the principles of secession all along.

Chetry: You said it's very American to talk about secession. It’s how we came into being. 13 colonies seceeded from the British. Are you likening the current situation to life under King George?

Paul: I think a lot of people are thinking that way. And I think that's what's important. People are angry. If we don't sense that, we don't know what's actually going on there. People are angry. I'm anticipating it will get a lot worse. When the dollar collapses and the federal government can't fulfill any of its promises, what if they send you dollars and they don't work. People aren’t going to have a violent secession; they’re just going to ignore the federal government because they will be inept. We'll be bringing our troops home and our empire will end. That's a different story. I think it's something we should talk about but we should institutionalize this principle. New England wanted to secede. No one challenged New England that it was unconstitutional in our early history.

Chetry: I want to move on to the bank bailouts. This is a source of a lot of contention. You've been opposed to them. Lately there have been some signs that perhaps it's working. Bank of America is turning a profit. Wells Fargo now saying they’re able to pay back the federal government and return some of that bailout money. In the end, could this have turned out to be the right move?

Paul: If a gangster steals money and he’s successful, you don't celebrate. Yeah they might be. This is just going to make the people angrier. They ripped us off, took all of this money, and now they’re making bundles? It's just an unfair system to penalize average people, inflate the currency and bring on another crisis and undermine the whole system.

So I would say a bank's success here and there is not necessarily something to celebrate. It's still pretty early. I don't think we're out of the woods yet to celebrate banks’ successes. What we have to realize is a lot of people stashed away a lot of money and took care of their bonuses and what not. You're not going to erase the anger that's come from that just because the bank made a profit. Like I say, it might make things worse.

Filed under: Controversy • Politics
soundoff (1,136 Responses)
  1. Brian

    Too bad Texas didn't secede 10 years ago, would have kept us from having the worst president in history.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:47 pm |
  2. Faye

    PLEASE secede Texas. If you do, the Repulican Party will die a quick, painless death instead of the slow, agonizing one it is suffering now (since they have no chance of ever winning the presidency again without Texas's electoral votes). It would be an act of mercy...really. Because if this ridiculous idea is the best they have, then there isn't much left to save anyway.

    The Repulican Party as it stands now is a sideshow. They have no ideas about how to fix this mess, even though they are the ones who put us in it. Their only actions since the election have been trying to figure out ways to obstruct the new President as he attempts to clean up their mess. I declare they remind me of two-year-olds- kicking dirt at another child who picked up the toy they wanted. They are ridiculous. And if they hadn't earned the disdain a lot of the American people feel for them because of the arrogance the past eight years, it would almost be sad.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:47 pm |
  3. Bob B

    This is almost funny if it was not so dangerous. It really is: I am going to take my ball and go home cause I lost. The gov and Mr. Paul are not macho as they like to appear they are spoiled children.

    The charge of treason was easily thrown around when the conservatives were in power, but I don't recall and major elected Democrat saying that the U.S. should be dissolved. This is insane to advocate internal revolution and to pit U.S. citizens against each other in what would become a civil war. I wonder what other nations think when they hear all of this: Is the U.S. becoming a unstable republic and soon a third world nation?

    April 21, 2009 at 12:47 pm |
  4. floridian

    This is crazyness. The whole thing is silly. I was talking with my neighbors just yesterday and they all work in construction, and they were even saying that ever since Obama's plans have started they are getting more jobs. It may not be a direct effect but the fact that people are starting do things like put in fences and build new houses and buildings says something. Florida real estate is settling down aswell. I think that the Texas govenor and Mr.Paul are poor losers and are trying to make the situation look like it's getting worse instead of a little bit better. And I agree with the comment a little further down about the Bush administration being a shameful time to be an American, I travelled around the world a lot during those eight years and everywhere I went, every country, was angry with America and would bombard me with questions as soon as they found out I was American. I actaully had to tell people I was Canadian just to be left alone. That is a sad place to be. I am proud to be an American citizen again and I couldn't be happier with what Obama is doing.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:47 pm |
  5. a texan

    Hey Center... who's "we"? I didn't vote the Democrats in. I bet Perry didn't contribute to voting them in either. You must have a mouse in your pocket or something, because this "we" thinks it is just fine to talk about secession.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:47 pm |
  6. jonny history

    And take the Dallas Cowboys and their defunctional team with ya!!!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:47 pm |
  7. jd

    this country is the United States of America, not america. america is two continents. im proud to be an american but so are the canadians, mexicans, peruvians, and a bunch of other citizens from other countries on these two continents. im really proud to be a citizen of the United States of American. poor ron paul, maybe we could water-board him to get him to think right (or left).

    April 21, 2009 at 12:47 pm |
  8. John AZ

    The vast majority of people using the word "Socialism" simply have no idea what it means, but they heard it on a talk show and are repeating it with false confidence. It would be humorous if it wasn't such an indictment of our education system.

    Socialism is state ownership of all industry. While we are trying to rescue some of our industries, the government has said time and again that it has no interest in nationalization. But this is bad for right wing blogging business, so the myth prevails.

    What's interesting is we are socialist in some ways, but we always have been. The Postal service is a nationalized industry.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:46 pm |
  9. JIMMY

    I seem to recall another group of ignorant and racist people who wanted to and actually did succeed......the SOUTH, in 1860!! YEAH!!! turned out just great for them, huh?!?

    April 21, 2009 at 12:46 pm |
  10. Ye Haw

    Great we can move our border stations about 800 miles North. Texans – Please make sure your citizens apply for a travel visa before entering our soverign territory. OH by the way we forgot to tell you water prices will now be pegged at the price of oil.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:46 pm |
  11. DavidO

    Hear that Mexico? Texas wants back in the Republic....Come and get 'em!!

    GOP are bunch of whiny sore losers who couldn't legitimately win an election...

    April 21, 2009 at 12:46 pm |
  12. onestein

    Secession from England was like a divorce. In time another union was made in the wake of that divorce, so the reasoning is that there should be no anonymity if talk of divorce should arise again?

    Flawed logic. "In order to form a more perfect union" it takes perseverence, compromise (a very rare commodity anymore), and above all HONESTY (something nonexistent today, completely replaced with "Spin" at some point).

    Notice how the U.S. (stands for the United States for those who forgot) either swings far right or far left anymore, depending on who's in the OO and has a majority in Congress?

    United we Stand. Divided we FAIL.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:46 pm |
  13. Craig

    The people talking about succession is motivated by two things. One they are pissed because the majority of Americans came to their senses and didn't elect their republican candidate for president. And, two, they don't like paying taxes (who does?).

    I wonder if they did succeed from the union, would these people who don't want government spending their money be willing to pay taxes to Texas? If not, I wonder how they think things like roads, bridges, dikes, schools, police, fire & emergency services, border patrol, and an army to prevent Mexico from taking back what was theirs, would be paid for? Oh, it wouldn't. A region of individualists with no government.....could be interesting. Oh, isn't that Somalia?

    April 21, 2009 at 12:45 pm |
  14. Phil

    Please Texas . . . GO!!!

    Seriously though, won't it be refreshing when this generation of numbskulls pass from the scene.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:45 pm |
  15. Scott

    Typical Republican Hypocrisy. Most of these people have zero honor. Anything said during the Bush years along these lines would have been labeled unpatriotic, unAmerican and treasonous by the same people who are now yelling the loudest.

    And America does not endorse secession. If we did, we would be two divided countries today, the Confederate States of America and the United States of America. Since that is obviously not the case, that statement is utterly ludicrous.

    These people need to grow up. Just because you do not win an election does not mean you turn against your country. If you want to debate, then by all means, do so. And you certainly have the right to yell about secession in this country, but lets not pretend doing so is patriot. It is just bitter losers who are unwilling to compromise in any way shape or form to try to work with the current administration that was fairly and legally elected by the majority.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:45 pm |
  16. Steve-O

    Ok, let's talk. Texas succedes, has no allies and limited natural resources, and so it pursues Alaska, South Carolina and every other red state to join its new country, but the U.S. doesn't allow this and now we have a hostile nation on our border. All armed forces personnel who are Texas residents are discharged and they form their own army for Texas, which is an immediate threat to the U.S domestically. All federal employees are evacuated , including border patrol. National gaurd is stationed along border, middle east wars are abruptly stopped to gaurd against invasion from Texas considering invading and annexing neighboring Oklahoma. Texas representatives are dispelled from Washington, giving blue states a bigger majoirty and fueling more partisan resentment. Another red state succedes, and we start a new civil war, only this time with tanks and planes. North Korea, sensing weakness, attacks Alaska. Iran, sensing weakness, attacks Israel, and is joined by Syria. Iraq falls in to civil war, as does Afganistan. Gas is over $10/gallon after supply disruption and entire industries are bankrupted. China keeps the EU out of the now world war by threatening to ally with North Korea. Hundreds of thousands are killed. Texas surrenders when its food supplies dwindle, but North Korea is on the ground in Alaska. We eventually kick North Korea out of Alaska, but with our oil field burning. Israel is turned in to a wasteland of burning buildings and riots. Afganistan, Iran and Iraq form a new coallition of militant islamic nations. The U.S. never recovers and China is the new world leader.

    This is the ultimate "my way or the high way" temper tantrum by the party of nope, but maybe we should take it seriously. Talk of sucession IS treason. Arrest them.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:45 pm |
  17. sick of them

    “No person shall be a Senator or Representative in Congress, or elector of President and Vice President, or hold any office, civil or military, under the United States, or under any State, who, having previously taken an oath, as a member of Congress, or as an officer of the United States, or as a member of any State legislature, or as an executive or judicial officer of any State, to support the Constitution of the United States, shall have engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof. But Congress may by a vote of two-thirds of each House, remove such disability. “

    April 21, 2009 at 12:45 pm |
  18. Nosferatu

    If at first you don't "secede", try try again. I could care less if Texas secedes from the US. As long as they don't want protection from the US Air Force, Army, Marines, Navy, Border patrol, DEA CIA, NSA FBI etc. etc. etc.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:45 pm |
  19. Lezley

    Whaaaaaaaaaaa! Get over it Mr. Paul!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:45 pm |
  20. Norton Suttner

    YO TEXAS! GO FOR IT! Nothing like a civil war to clean out the shallow end of the gene pool. 🙂

    April 21, 2009 at 12:45 pm |
  21. Ken

    Paul, shut up. You're trying to get press using incendiary words. You're not relevant, you're not a visionary. You're a crackpot.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:44 pm |
  22. Sarcasmsvoice

    I find it intriguing that so many of my fellow commentators want Texas to leave. They do of course realize that Texas has many major ports and Oil refineries. The effect Texas seceding would have on the U.S. would put everyone in a tough situation.

    Moreover, we lost the right to secede under Lincoln. Ft. Sumter was fired on when South Carolina attempted to secede over states rights. This song has played before, but I doubt the outcome would be any different. Personally, I wish the South had won* just so our rights would not have been infringed in the manner they have been over the last 140 years.

    *I think the slaves would have been freed regardless of the war, but the loss of freedom for all in the name of freedom for some is never a fair trade.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:44 pm |
  23. JOhn

    But the US did support the Russian sub-states to break away from USSR correct? That was the US supporting another country in their efforts to secede from an oppressive socialist regime.

    Ron Paul is just saying that given a centralized government takeover, that the states should have the right to break away. It's not that bad here in America. But if it ever got to that point, we should have the right.

    He is not simply anti-Obama like many people want to claim. He is against the entire system we have now. The FED. Deficit financing. Military and Prison industrial complex.

    Keep blindly having faith that the people you elect are on our side. It's a joke. The current system is run by private small groups of the global elite.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:44 pm |
  24. Bob

    This is why we debate these things. I think Ron Paul has some interesting thoughts that all Americans should hear.
    I don't know about anyone else but our Government is squeezing the American Dream out of this country.
    The GREED that is going on both by Government and BIG BUSINESS is taking the American Dream away from our children.
    We the people need to start holding these greedy people accountable for what they are doing to this country.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:44 pm |
  25. Carl

    Dear the good sheep of America,

    The whole point is that we can talk about it as a last resort option when the Federal Government violates the contract each state agreed to via the US Constitution. For those that don't know, Montana threatened to leave last year, but you don't hear that cropping up anywhere.

    Ron Paul also feels that if we continue to massively spend with no money to back up the spending, we will ultimately destroy our economy.

    No pensions for government workers because all pension funds are worthless, no retirement because your stocks are gone, no foreign nations investing in our debt because they don't want to have anything to do with our economy.

    As our crisis continues and the collapse continues, more people will get angry and realize you can't change the nation for the better by voting.

    That is the point. He is not standing up on a chair demanding Americans arm themselves and fight.

    However, this is the blogger attitude, which is just funny because it shows how stupid you all really are on the subject.

    Assuming any state has no right to leave is just silly. This is like the idea of banning divorce in marriage. Inherently, we are free people that are free to do as we want IF we want to do it together.

    Each state is a nation, and we are united together by the US Constitution. If the Federal Government violated the Constitution, then states can use a "breach of contract."

    April 21, 2009 at 12:44 pm |
  26. Brookfield Bill

    Somebody tell some of these wild Texans that NASA is a federal facility and doesn't belong to Texas even if it is located there. Of course South Carolina thought it was OK to take over Fort Sumter in 1860 too. What a hoot.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:44 pm |
  27. Michael

    @ paula Wesley

    Bush is from New Haven, Connecticut and who the he11 says Texas wants to secede? Our Republican on-the-way-out governor? Glad to see so many believe the first thing they hear, and would quickly let a critical state go from the Union, IF that were the case.

    ...dang, there are a lot of stupid, STUPID people in this country that spew ignorance at the drop of a hat. No wonder we are the laughing stock of the world right now. After reading the absolutely inane comments on here it's hard not to think the average citizen has the IQ of a bean bag chair. Read your history, know where your presidents are from, don't get your news from pundits and re-election gaffs...L-E-A-R-N...seriously, wouldn't you rather argue a point knowing wtf you are talking about first?

    April 21, 2009 at 12:43 pm |
  28. T

    Ok First things first Texas will not secede. Second and way more practical ( look it up doubters) they will seperate into seperate states. Imagine the horror the Democraps will see when there are(could happen look it up) 12 new senators all leaning to the right.
    yes Bush spent money, yes he did something a bit backwards but lets face facts our new President is too busy making himself a "Celebrity" and making goo-goo eyes at Enemies of the US to get this fixed right. The answer is NOT throw money at the problem, the answer is let the "too big to fail" institutions/companies FAIL. Gm/Chrysler let them go.... The unions won't negotiate (don't really blame them) backwards let them lose their jobs. Things will right itself.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:43 pm |
  29. cukid

    texas had representation so this is absolutely absurd. how can you compare lenders who give credit to irresponsible adults and then can't afford their payments to gangsters... what a MORON

    April 21, 2009 at 12:43 pm |
  30. Zach

    @whoever said conservatives would vilify Penn for trying to get Cali to secede:

    We would applaud him, California is just a money wasting machine get rid of it. I wish more states would secede from the union, the Feds just don't get it. We want to do what we want with our money not watch them squander it. We don't need massive social programs and whatnot just let people do whatever they want as long as they aren't hurting someone else. If they want to kill themselves, go right ahead, use drugs, be gay, do what you want but STOP taking our money and wasting it.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:43 pm |
  31. MikinAZ

    Go – but first either pay TX share of the bill your boy GW ran up for the rest of us while in office or we can put it on account for you...just like any other 3rd world country.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:43 pm |
  32. Dave

    We are in this mess because Americans are stupid and believe whatever they are told to on their TVs.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:43 pm |
  33. JS

    I think we should keep Texas, we can take their profits and resources, run them through our vast administrations, print even more money than Bush did, then loan it back to them under the guise of stimulus.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:43 pm |
  34. Tom in Austin, Tx

    Earlier post David brought up a good point:


    The answer is that Ron Paul has been a critic of the Bush & Clinton Administrations for the last 16 years. His rhetoric hasn't changed on the national debt or fiscal policy, regardless of who was in power. I can assure you that Libertarians like Ron Paul are not viewed favorably by the NeoConservatives.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:43 pm |
  35. Eric Beck

    I'm SO SICK of Extreme Right Wingers shaping the national conversation, telling me how ANGRY I am Obama and his Administration. Well, I'm not. I'm angry at the banks, Paulson, AIG, etc. I'm angry that the head of the GOP – Rush Limbaugh – wants my President, and therefore my country, to fail. I'm angry at the last three REPUBLICAN admins – Reagan, Bush 1 & 2 – for running up the national debt and causing all these problems in the first place. Check the figures. But this is what the GOP wants. Chaos, in the hopes of assuming control again. The Extreme Right has grabbed ahold of fthe GOP, and they WILL destroy the Union to protect the few and the wealthy, all at the expense of the common American.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:43 pm |
  36. Billy

    The amount of ignorance inherent in this discussion is astounding. I seriously doubt any attempts at informing anyone here will do one bit of good but I shall attempt nonetheless.
    1) Texas is not arid, Texas actually has the largest amount of forest covered land in the continental United States.
    2) Texas is the Second largest economy in the United States with a Gross State Product of $1.09 trillion as of 2006.
    3) Texas is considered the most "business friendly" state in the country and upon secession would likely continue this trend and invite more businesses to practice operations within its borders. Whether this may be beneficial to the citizenry or not is a matter of debate.
    4) Our education system is not perfect, no doubt, but the Federal gov. only paid for 10.8% of that education in 2005-2006 whereas the state gov. paid for 89.22%.
    5) Texas does indeed have faults including the apparent complete disregard for moving forward in terms of ecological conservation and air-quality control. Mainly due to the over abundance of coal-burning power plants in the state.
    6) Texas provides 10% of the all-volunteer military of the United States. This is the second highest after California.
    7) In terms of Hispanics overrunning the whites of the state. Everyone in Texas has lived side-by-side with those of Latin descent for the entirety of time that whites have been in the state. They are just as much a part of the culture as anyone else.
    8) Don't insult us with Taylor Swift comments, Austin is considered the live music capital of the world and many other musical acts have come from this state.

    On the subject of Bush being a Texan, that is a terrible lie and an insult to those born in the state, the only presidents born in Texas were Eisenhower and Lyndon B. Johnson.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:43 pm |
  37. JS Boston

    So many people with so much time on their hands... and obviously no one to listen to them in real life!
    Let's break up this empire! Guess who'll get the universities, hospitals and literate population... it won't be Bushylvania or Limbaughland!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:43 pm |
  38. Bob

    You know we need a way to test nuclear weapons without getting the word upset. Let Texas succeed and then we can bomb them back to pre Civil War days. Ungrateful bastards.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:42 pm |
  39. DalTex

    Our governor, Rick "The Hairdo" Perry, is in the fight of his life, to keep his job. Another nutjob, Kay Bailey Hutchison, our old, senile witch of a senator, will hopefully challange him. It will be hysterical to watch the GOP in Texas implode with this fight.

    If The Hairdo wants Texas to secede, maybe he should move his tired, old, vain, narcissitic ass, to Iraq (Or Alaska with Caribou Barbie), with Bush, Darth Cheney, DeLay, Armey, Rice, Rumsfeld, and the like, and see if they can turn it into what they think Texas should be.

    I know if they all left, Texas would be a much better place. MUCH BETTER!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:42 pm |
  40. OD

    Texans found God after 9/11 and became more American than thou under Bush, but make no mistake: a Texan is NOT an American and NEVER will be. Texans are a bunch of pig-ignorant hypocrites. They are American and patriotic when a reckless big-state Republican is in the White House, and spout treasonous ANTI-American and PRO-Texas secessionist B.S. under a fiscally and economically responsible Democratic president.

    They are just a bunch of ridiculously misguided, greedy, trigger-happy idiots who would say and do anything to get what they want.

    People like Ron Paul deserve to be tarred and feathered and then strung up with a good ole Texas-sized rope from the tallest tree in Texas!! We're gonna need a hell of a lot of rope! That'll learn'em retarded cowboys not to mess with America!!! U.S.A. U.S.A. U.S.A !!!!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:42 pm |
  41. John thompson

    We broke away from England because the government wouldn't listen to us, the same thing is happening here this is not a government for the people anymore. We need to do something "NOW"

    April 21, 2009 at 12:42 pm |
  42. Anthony

    The GOP created the problem under the leadership of Bush and now they want to cut ties and run as far away from the issue as possible. All these people are overpaid for the garbage job they do and owe the American citizen for the mess they helped create. They are public servents because they are put there by the average US Citizen and are expected to do what is in our best interest. They all failed. I say it's time of anarchy! Democracy has failed and in doing so has exposed the average US citizen as a failure because we put them in those positions. We reap what we sow.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:42 pm |
  43. NY

    If my state unanimously voted to secede because the federal govt was consistently taxing me to pay for the social services of others I would be all for it.
    Government is not the solution, it is the problem.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:42 pm |
  44. Matt

    I'm disappointed in Ron Paul. I figured he'd have something smarter to say then this.

    I also fail to see the logic; how is wanting to drop out of being a part of America, American?

    Wouldn't that essentially be a declaration of war in the attempt to rob the United States, a NATION, of land and resources?

    For all of you, a legal definition of Treason, as defined by our CONSTITUTION (which I thought Ron Paul wanted to get back to):

    TREASON – This word imports a betraying, treachery, or breach of allegiance.

    The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offense is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:42 pm |
  45. Joel

    Texas wouldn't have to leave, if we could just get rid of California, Massachusetts, Illinois, and a few other liberal states.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:41 pm |
  46. jr

    What would be the advantage?
    POPULATION would plummet.
    no federal taxes.. but Extremely HIGH taxes in general at that point.

    Ron Paul is just showing his extreme bogus conservatism. As usual. This guy is about as crazy as Dennis Kuccinich

    April 21, 2009 at 12:41 pm |
  47. nickinva

    sharon blake April 21st, 2009 10:57 am ET
    How come when Bush was in the White House no one talked of succession? If there ever was a time that I was not proud or happy to be ruled as we were that was it, yet I never thought of puling out of the country. It’s kind of like “if I don’t get my way I’m not playing with you:. That’s five year old talk, not rational adult thinking!

    Vermont talked about seceeding during Bush and it was cheered on by most in the media. After the '04 election a number of blue states talked about joining Canada. So no, its not only right-wing kooks who talk about seceeding. The Constitution specifically limited the power of the federal government over the states and it wasn't until 1913 or so that it became the behemoth we now know it to be. Canada actually has a much weaker federal government than the US does and Quebec routinely has votes on secession yet they are not a failed state.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:41 pm |
  48. profbam

    W wrote how strong an economy Texas would have if it left the union. If the economy is so strong, why does it have more children without health insurance than any other state? Why does it have more mentally ill and addicted without access to services than any other state? Total numbers, not per capita! But the good Christians like Gov. Perry are not concerned by the poor and the sick, they are beneath them.

    Yes, a large percentage of gasoline is refined in Texas, but that can be moved to other states and then what would Texas be left with for industry? When oil prices collapsed in the mid-80's, folks dropped their house keys in the night depositories and drove away. Some banks (University Bank of Houston for one) had to brick them over. If Texas were to secede it would rapidly spiral into a 3rd world country.

    And Gov. Perry–a cotten farmer. Are there bigger welfare kings than cotten farmers: price supports, cotten purchased and stored at taxpayers expense, dumped on the global market and then taxpayer's money given to foreign countries whose farmers cannot sell their crops. What money he has was gotten at the trough of federal taxpayers.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:41 pm |
  49. james A

    I wish the whole SOUTH would seced.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:41 pm |
  50. Ross

    Something else that is funny, people are saying the gov't should stop funding roads, schools, and move NASA from TX. Well, they don't have the money to do that as it stands now. Is there a plan to come up with more money that the rest of us haven't been informed of? Spend spend spend... when you run out. Print more. Can't afford ink, borrow from foreign countries.. Sounds just like the people that voted for Obama. Can't afford a 300k house, mortgage it to the max. No downpayment. High interest rate. Can't afford a BMW? Lease it! Just default on the payments and let the gov't bail you out. We as americans are to blame for our plight. Not the gov't. They've done everything they can to bail you idiots out and yet you still do nothing to help yourselves. No savings, no problem! I've got a credit card! whooo hooo!! We should secede.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:41 pm |
  51. Tom

    Desent is a good thing & it's appropiate to have this at this time. BUT where the hell were these people when Bush was in office and American civil rights were getting tramped on. Oh I get it, they were having it their way and the majority of America was not happy. I also don't remember the Texas politicians throwing this type of tantrum during the 80's when Reagan cut taxes for the rich & then added excise taxes on dozens of items. Or about the Savings & Loan scandel of the 80"s, when the culprits got pardoned by the President.

    You can't have it both ways. Sproiled Brats!!!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:41 pm |
  52. mark sorensen

    As a proud Texan I hope we do leave the union! texas could easily survive on its own and we wouldn't have that loser as President

    April 21, 2009 at 12:40 pm |
  53. Norton Suttner

    YO TEXAS! GO FOR IT! Nothing like a civil war to clean out the shallow end of the gene pool.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:40 pm |
  54. Greg Ballantyne

    And Ron Paul managed to sound so intelligent at times during the presidential debates. What happened? Was he really just a fool the entire time?

    April 21, 2009 at 12:40 pm |
  55. JOE

    As a Texan, I think everyone should just calm down. I do not believe that Rick Perry is openly calling for succession. He and Ron Paul are just simply saying it is a viable long term possibility. Is anyone, democrat or republican, happy about the government sticking it's nose so deep in private business. The banks are scrambling to give the money back, if not for the fact they dont want Obama to fire them like GM. My kids are going to inherit a burden of epic size. Now I am seeing the government say I might be a right wing extremist because I am pro border security/pro gun, and my brother is because he is a Veteran of Iraq. The politicians will and are continuing to lie to us 4 years at a time to further agendas. Put aside, guns, abortion, and persecution of vets, and focus on the economy. I am a bues musician from Austin, TX, and I just want to be able to play guitar, keep my guns, and secure this border I live on. I see crimes committed by ms 13 gang members happen all around me. Is there anyone in Washington listening or anyone who cares about my issues.?.?.?

    April 21, 2009 at 12:40 pm |
  56. dave

    To the Texan who thinks they can survive b/c they have interstates, seaports, NASA, military bases.......GUESS WHAT??

    April 21, 2009 at 12:39 pm |
  57. Rick Massena

    Isn't it interesting that other States are beginning to think along the same lines. first by declaring Sovereignty. When the Constitution is ignored , it inspires others to unite!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:39 pm |
  58. dave

    To the Texan who thinks they can survive b/c they have interstates, seaports, NASA, military bases.......GUESS WHAT??

    April 21, 2009 at 12:39 pm |
  59. Jason

    Unlike many other countries, our country - the United State of America - lacks a singe uniform cultural background to fall back on. We are a melting pot. We do not have a cultural history like most of the world to fall back on with pride. Our pride comes from believing that this is, and will continue to be, the best country in the world to live in. If that hope falls away, so does our country.

    Zombie war?

    April 21, 2009 at 12:39 pm |
  60. Dave in Virginia

    Go ahead and secceed. Then we can build a fence around Texas and keep ALL the undesirables out.
    I'm sure Texans won't miss the federal money that flows into the state from Military installations like Fort Hood. I doubt they would miss things like the Houston Space center.
    Better yet, don't secceed, we can just give Texas back to Mexico!
    Nothing good has ever come out of Texas. Just make sure George W. is there before we put up the fence.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:39 pm |
  61. rich

    ""WE gluttonously accepted the tax cuts that left us with $12 trillion in federal debt."" the tax cuts didnt get us in debt...... over spending did

    April 21, 2009 at 12:38 pm |
  62. Dennis Potter

    Secession is illegal. There was this little event called the Civil War that settled it. Southern states tried to secede. Lincoln declared that they couldn't. They fought. The Union won. Case settled.

    Another thing to consider is this: if secession were legal, the whole concept of democracy falls apart. Democracy requires that the minority goes along with the majority. If 51% of the people vote for Candidate A, and 49% vote for candidate B, our new president would be Candidate A. The minority's new president would also be Candidate A. The minority doesn't get to secede and make candidate B their president.

    A third argument against secession is where does it end? Could some counties secede from Texas? Could some cities secede from those counties? Could neighborhoods secede from those cities? Could streets secede from those neighborhoods? Ultimately, could individuals secede? If you make secession legal, then you are opening up the legal possibility of 300 million new 'nations' springing up where one nation used to exist. And each of those 300 million nations would have their own laws. Essentially, we would have anarchy.

    Sorry, Ron Paul...the state you are from lost militarily, constitutionally, intellectually, and logically. They joined the union...they're stuck.

    And by the way, how lucky we all are that we are 'stuck' in such a union.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:38 pm |
  63. MikinAZ

    B'bye. Don't let the barn door hit you on the way out. You can have your share the Mexico border problems all to yourself then – cause the border will be between US and Texas, Enjoy! – not that the feds under good 'ol gw were helping you anyway...we have at least seen some border presence increase here in AZ under Obama. As far as being more "powerful than the US in 10 years..." don't get it, with all the dry wells gw drilled and the move away from Texas tea that needs to be made...what else do they have besides Rodeo?

    April 21, 2009 at 12:38 pm |
  64. joe the builder

    Texans gone.. Good.. I am not a fan of them Cowboys..
    Though it could complicate Spains extradition of W..
    But.. Why not let them join Mexico if they wish to.....

    April 21, 2009 at 12:38 pm |
  65. Andrew

    It's ok. I'll just go around Amarillo on my cross country road trips. I'll actually enjoy the drive more.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:38 pm |
  66. Ken

    I am ready to move to TX. I am tired of the Government stealing from my childrens future, taxing everything that moves, and waisting tax dollars to purchase votes from the ignorant. Where in the US Constitution is Congress authorized to funnel tax dollars to private businesses, creating unfair advantages for poorly run companies, and punishing well run companies? When 80% of the population stood up AGAINST bailouts, how does congress supporting bailouts demonstrates taxation WITH representation? At every point of our current economic problems you can find governemnt interference in the free market, from sub-prime loans, FREDDI and FANNIE, investment regulation, CRA... And now the same folks who enabled the problem are going to save us by spending TRILLIONS that will bankrupt this nation. Geez, the French, Germans and Chinese have openly criticized our out of control spending that will damage the value of our dollar. And most of the spending has NOTHING to do with job creation. Just a liberal wish list to purchase votes from the ignorant. I am encouraging my kids to consider moving to a free country. The Nation of Texas sounds like a good candidate.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:38 pm |
  67. Matthan Nodine

    It seems aggregious to me that I have seen the comments above talking about traitors and hanging. When these same people were talking bad about the Bush admin. We did not call for the heads. Even though at the time we were really in a state of war. The people of this nation voted Obama in and now look at what it is doing to our nation. He has basically apologized for being american. He has buddied up to people that have been the enemy of freedom and justice for years. He wants talk and more talk all the while letting these countries get away with build ups and basic destruction of america. And all he says in response is "well I was not president then or I was not born then" he has not stood for our country. If you want to talk about un-patriotic you should start there. But Texas is right this country is on a downward spiral. It can not recover every great nation or empire has fallen when they failed to realize that strength of arms is what made them and keeps them safe. Talking about peace does not work Fighting for that peace always works. I love my country I fought for it but i have never been so ashamed of it as i am today. And it is not becuase of A comment by a texan that has shamed me.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:38 pm |
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  69. Vince

    Apparently Ron Paul missed a little something called "the Civil War" which decidedly closed the door on the possibility of Secession. Any talk of Secession is treason – plain and simple. The only people who think otherwise are southerners who continue to harbor a grudge over the fact that they were defeated, or live in denial.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:38 pm |
  70. Lee

    Europeans have no qualms about protesting and demanding more from their government. Yet in America, when a group of people get up and demand more from their government, they are called "unamerican". The american people are getting the short end of the stick from its government and they need to start setting them to a much higher standard. Between lobbying and PACs, i have serious doubts as to where our leader's allegiances lie.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:38 pm |
  71. Meagan

    Wow, those who've commented are displaying so much hate and ignorance. What's the deal, America? Aren't we better than that?

    April 21, 2009 at 12:37 pm |
  72. Will

    A lot of citizens, "journalists", politicians sound like they are losing it. This economic situation has frayed nerves and has shown what we are really about. Money. That's it. Screwed up healthcare system, lagging educational system, goverment corruption, no problem. Six months ago the biggest problem was getting out of Iraq. Now people are floating the idea of breaking up the country. Why? Boils down to money. 401K is gone so it is time for a revolution. What if we had some the problems the rest of the world has..

    April 21, 2009 at 12:37 pm |
  73. hn

    If all red states ceceded, Noth America would have 2 developed nations (Canada and blue America) and 2 developing nations (Mexico and red america). I say go for it with Cheney as the head of the red america.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:37 pm |
  74. Ron

    People on this blog site say that Socialism doesn't work in large societies. Baloney. Check it out! Capitalism just makes the rich richer, and the rest of us get SCREWED OVER. Hide behind worthless issues like abortion (who cares?) gun rights (who cares?)
    gay marriage (who cares?) etc, etc, (who cares?)
    Meanwhile we are getting financially SCREWED. Wake up America.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:37 pm |
  75. gladiat0r

    What is the big deal about a group of people uniting to pursue their own government? I think it is a great idea, and I am a liberal from California. It does not have to mean they are bearing arms; should be a quiet process with no weapons, no harsh feelings, and a "keep in touch". The US is too big to please everybody. I wanted the blue states to secede back when Bush was up for reelection. What is is a flag, a constitution and a militaty good for if they don't stand for what the people want? It's a natural thing, it might be just what the Texans need and I don't think it's wrong. I will continue to put my faith in Mr Obama and pray that he is right (because even though I voted for him, sometimes I am really scared of what's in store for us)

    April 21, 2009 at 12:37 pm |
  76. Darcy

    I hate to break it to you, but the people of Texas aren't the only ones sick and tired seeing of thier money going down the drain as well as the rise of socialism in this country. I'm sure others would happily like to live in a place where their money was truly theirs. I really don't like the idea of the equivlant of all my earnings from Jan 1 to April 15 going to taxes and it's only going to get worse supporting the financially irresponsible and those who feel that they are entitled to be taken care of. I work hard for a living and pay WELL OVER my fair share and would much rather be able to take that money and invest in my future, American innovation and into my children's college funds so they aren't financially dependent on the government like so many others that take the easy road out...

    Go Ron Paul!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:36 pm |
  77. Mike D

    Maybe if Texas pays back all the money they ever got from the federal government, I would agree with a succession.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:36 pm |
  78. Sam

    I'm from Colorado and as such, have seen what Texans are all about. About 1/3 of S. Colorado is owned by Texans, and I can't imagine what kind of implications/worries a secession would generate among these, wealthy, flag-waving, gun-toting landowners. Personally, I'm all for secession, maybe they'd be more or less confined to their great state.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:36 pm |
  79. Goose

    WHOA WHOA WHOA, N, do you really think Conservatives would miss California? Talk about guaranteeing electoral college success for Republicans

    April 21, 2009 at 12:36 pm |
  80. Richard1949

    There is not longer a need for Texas to secede. We, the Voters, have already throw off the yke of the dictatorial control of King George the Bush. Finally, we have a true leader who listens, thinks logically and makes well reasoned decisions.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:36 pm |
  81. steve

    Rush for emperor of Texas!!!!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:36 pm |
  82. John

    What stupidity that these people offer. Have all the Right wingnuts congregated in Texas? Have they all become delusional?

    The Republican President and the Republican congress put us in this financial crisis and now they want to run away from it because they "can't handle the truth". Oh, poor babies, don't like a President of color making progressive decisions. Maybe they should all click their "Ruby Slippers" and get back to their OZ.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:36 pm |
  83. Suzanne Farrell, Pt Pleasant, NJ

    After 8 years of tyranny by the republican party and irrational and failed economic and international decisions that left this country in ruins....the least the Republicans can do is give the new president the right to govern as he was duly chosen and elected. Washington ignored us Americans for the last eight years. Talk about 'not listening.

    Limbaugh-talk of "wanting the president to fail" and the Perry/Paul talk of secession and overt and constant criticims of Obamas every waking moment – are outright un-american, un-patriotic and give the rest of the world the worst example of a strong nation. These people are radicals who cause nothing but harm in this great country!

    We have enough people overseas blasting the USA for their failed policies of the past than to have our very own so-called Americans bringing us down all on their own. They open the door for attacks on us.

    The Republicans should honor us ordinary Americans by just shutting up and waiting until 2012 to get their next turn at bat! And if they keep up their un-american talk, they might not get that next turn!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:36 pm |
  84. Rick

    We seriously need a history and Constitutional law refresher. The South was not the first part of the country to attempt secession (not succession). That would be the New England states during the War of 1812, not as one responder said earlier when New England was under the English Crown. During said war, NE was under the US Constitution. They attempted, or threatened to secede from the Union because the British blockade was hurting their trade. Several states, among them Virginia and New York in their ratifications of the Constitution in 1789 had provisions in those ratifications, such as I quote, I think is New York's " the rights of the states to resume the powers delegated to the Federal Government, if it becomes abusive of such powers, shall not be infringed." If secession is illegal and treasonous, why was the treason charges against Jefferson Davis dropped by the Chief Justice of the Sup. Court? If states cannot secede, how was it the southern states were READMITTED to the Union from a period of 1866-1870? Abraham Lincoln himself made an international law gaffe when he declared a blockade. A nation at war with another nation declares a blockade, a nation at war with itself closes its ports. I'm not trying to make a moral issue about secession, but a legal one. Technically, the New England states and the South had a legal right to secede, if not a good reason to. The Governor of Texas is not outright calling for secession, but calling it the absolutely last resort. If the Federal Gov't keeps on the path of getting way beyond the power delegated to it (at the expense of the states or the people) then secession might actually have in the long run a viable excuse. Lets hope it doesn't come to that, we the American People must get this "duopoly" party system back under control. Socialism has never succeded at making the poor rich, only the rich poor. If equality is the measure of its success that would be it. Remember the Govt's job is to "promote the general welfare", not provide it-the first steps toward a socialist dictatorship.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:36 pm |
  85. dave

    It would be ok for Texas to leave, IF they agree to take George W. with them!! It would go a long way to helping the U.S. balance the budget, since Texas is one of the biggest welfare mooching states we have!

    Adios! (that's goodbye, in your new official language once Mexico takes you over)

    April 21, 2009 at 12:36 pm |
  86. Michael


    Please, secede and take all the self-righteous, intolerant, hypocritical blowhards with you.

    Form your own country, where everyone has a gun and they regularly use them on one another, there are no taxes (or public services funded by them), you regularly start wars based on complete fabrication, and all the unwanted babies are forcibly adopted.

    I hope you succeed.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:35 pm |
  87. Henry Miller

    Personally, I love it if all the states were to secede–and then start all over again with a newly-created, tiny little federal government that actually paid attention to the Constitution.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:35 pm |
  88. Alan

    I think that this talk of a Texas secession from the Union is the most unpatriotic motion ever made.

    Gov. Rick Perry should be removed from office on general principles.

    It is irresponsible sword rattling and sews the seeds of a deeper distrust of what our great nation is...and strives to be.
    Maybe Perry secession commnet echoes the belief of others in his state that think that same thing. It must be a broader phemonon, occuring out there. He didnt just say it casually and not think he was going to get comments from eveyone in the country on this topic.
    Trial the political phrase I believe.

    I think if the state was able to seced (through whatever means and timeline) it would really be great for the rest of the country.
    We'd loose some good mexican food resturants however, but with all the money were saving in Federal funding, maybe we could build some new ones.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:35 pm |
  89. John AZ

    Ok, so the US military will no longer defend the Texas border. Mexico has 100 million people, Texas has just shy of 25 million.

    Good luck!

    There's a lot of emotion in talk like this, but certainly not a lot of logic.

    I recall Alaskan secessionists talking about how they expected to secede and that the US military would still somehow protect them from Russia. They really didn't put a lot of thought into their goals.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:35 pm |
  90. Stacy

    First, let me say that I am PROUD to be a Texan. My g-g-g-g-g-grandfather was one of the original colonists who came here with Stephen F. Austin (the group of people known now as the "Old 300"). I love this state with everything I've got. So it honestly hurts me to hear people who have NO IDEA about Texas other than the cr*p they hear in the media telling us to leave and they won't miss us.

    Second ... if you ain't Texan, you don't get it. Texans have been talking about secession (notice I spelled it right - guess I'm not so "ignert" after all) since the day they we joined the union. It's just "a Texas thang" to do that. We're people who value our independence, both as human beings and politically. We don't sit here and take it when governments of any kind (local, state, federal) push our buttons. It's just one of those things that gets discussed - 99% of the time tongue-in-cheek. Only a minority of people really take it seriously. It's "Texas bluster."

    Third - so George W. Bush is "from" Texas. That doesn't mean that every single citizen of Texas is just like him. We are a state of vastly different human beings - liberal and conservative, religious and atheist, uneducated and highly educated, black, white, Hispanic, Asian, Baptist, Muslim, rich and poor. Pretty much like all the other states, I would guess, at least in that sense. I am NOT like George W. Bush, nor is anyone else I know, so I really resent being compared to him.

    So ... while the discussion about secession in general is interesting and good in an academic sort of way, I think very few of us Texans (except the few who've weighed in here) even take this remotely seriously. In fact, I'm downright AMAZED at how ridiculously serious this had gotten! Keep talking about this if you want to, but I'd really appreciate it if we could keep the insults about Texas out of it, and vice versa.

    God bless Texas - and God bless the rest of y'all, too.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:35 pm |
  91. Cathal

    In what way is Ron Paul a "friend" of George Bush.

    They disagreed on alomost everything!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:34 pm |
  92. Anuj

    I just wonder what Rick was thinking when he made that comment. Did he realize what would happen to Texas if it seceded.

    – Perhaps a Poland between Mexico and US?
    – Perhaps an Afganistan with love for guns and drugs supplier on one border and consumer on the other?

    I am a Texan but I believe the dumbness of the region is growing exponentially here.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:34 pm |
  93. EddyB

    LEARN HOW TO FREAKING READ. I am just amazed at the lack of reading comprehension ability of many of the people posting. Ron Paul is saying that we need to pay attention to this succession talk because it is basically a sign of how angry people are becoming at the government. He is not saying Texas should succeed, only that people are discussing it. He clearly states that he does not think it is very serious. He also states that it is not un-American to discuss succession. America is a free society, which means people have the right to talk about anything, even things you don't agree with. If you want to know what is really going on with our economy, you need to actually do some research on the subject. Don't just tune to the news outlet that mirrors your view, watch the ones that you don't agree with as well. I don't like Hannity and only tolerate O'Reilly, but I watch them to understand their view point and I learn things from them. In addition, look for other news sources on the web besides CNN, FOX, MSNBC etc. They are owned by corporations who are controlled by the banks. The news you are getting from them is very slanted either Democrat or Republican, so you need to watch both. Then when a question arises in your mind, go do some research on the subject. Their is no excuse for not researching these days, information is far to easy to access on the web. Geeez- it is no wonder America is in the shape it is in today.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:34 pm |
  94. NortheastOhio

    One can't help but wonder if the conservative right wing wants our country to fail and collapse purely out of spite. These problems weren't created in the last 4 months, try the last 28 years.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:34 pm |
  95. Wayne Hallock

    No it's not OK to talk seriously about sucession. Close to a million soldiers died in the Civil War to settle that issue. Ron remember that?

    It's called treason.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:34 pm |
  96. Ken Thompson Atlanta, Ga

    Didn't they try this once. As I recall, it didn't work out so well the first time

    April 21, 2009 at 12:34 pm |
  97. LW in TX

    1.I HATE the argument that people blame Bush for everything wrong with the world when WE voted for him for two terms while simultaneously passing judgement on those that disagree with the way our government is being ran for the same reason (that WE all voted for Obama so we can't complain).
    2.Stop associating Bush with all things Texas and chalking up every comment made by our elective representatives as another 'Bushism'. I don't blame Arkansas for every thing Clinton did during his 8 years.....
    3.I think if you will be a little more open minded to the subject at hand you would understand that no one is actually calling for a vote for Texas to secede from the union. The concern is the federal government's actions and involvment in the state/local governments and the secession comments are an indication of how serious some analysts/representatives/etc. take the infringement on that sovereignty.
    4."Secession is not American" – while I agree that the country should not go its seperate ways at the drop of a hat; I would like to suggest that the term 'secession' being compared to how the US was formed when we 'fought for our independance' is really just a matter of symantics. Somehow its "ok" that the colonists 'fought for their independance' from England because it was "right". It was "ok" for the residents of the USSR to 'fight for their independance' because it was "right". The term "right" is kind of subjective (depending on which side you are on) and arrogant when you think about it. Not considering all of the details of the Civil War – a group of citizens all felt strongly enough about issues at the time to attempt to do what they thought was "right" and leave the US to try and govern themselves. Whether they were "right" or not, it doesn't matter. The second that we as a people fail to take action or speak out when we do not agree is the day that we fail to be independant and that's what I personally think is what makes the USA great.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:33 pm |
  98. Chris

    The idea of seceding is ridiculous, however its is not the American people's fault the the banks provided loans to individuals that couldn't possibly repay them in the event of an economic downturn. The banks shouldn't be bailed out for making horrible decision making. Let them collapse this is a country founded on the idea of capitalistic economies, which we have vehemently defended around the globe, give that money to the people.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:33 pm |
  99. Kevin

    Bravo Ron Paul for once again saying what needs to be said that few want to hear, and judging from most of the comments here, even fewer understand.

    His comparison of American independence to secession is correct. So what that the word "secession" wasn't used to describe that. It's the same concept. So if Texas or Alaska or whomever declared their "independence" instead of using the "s" word, that silly argument goes away. Focus on the concept folks. That's what this is about.

    I'm amazed at how much the status quo is ingrained in people. Why can't you allow yourself to think about secession rationally? Almost every comment on here is emotional with little/no thought.

    The only two organizations I know of that allow you to join but will kill you if you want to quit are the mafia and the United States. A state that was allowed to freely request admission to the United States should be allowed to leave if its people want that. Congressman Paul is so right that even the threat of this would make the authoritarians in Washington more respectful of our federal system that was intended to have a much smaller, less intrusive federal government and preserve much autonomy and indepence for the states.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:33 pm |
  100. Nathan

    If a state wants to break away and govern itself I say go ahead. But while the paper work is being processed, go without federal money. All that money you "save" in federal taxes would have to go to the state or no one would have water to drink or roads to drive on. I can't give an exact number but at one point, 25% of the state of Florida's entire budget federal money given to them for projects. What percentage is Texas'?

    April 21, 2009 at 12:33 pm |
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