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April 21st, 2009
09:41 AM ET

Ron Paul: Secession is American

CNN's Kiran Chetry speaks to Rep. Ron Paul about Texas' governor's secession suggestion.
CNN's Kiran Chetry speaks to Rep. Ron Paul about Texas' governor's secession suggestion.

For ten years, Texas was a sovereign territory before joining the United States in 1845. It’s the stuff of legends that the “Lone Star State” could end the ties with the U.S. if its constituents want it that way.

Texas Governor Rick Perry, who's been highly critical of President Obama's stimulus package, raised the possibility that his state may one day secede from the union.

“We’ve got a great union. There’s absolutely no reason to dissolve it. But if Washington continues to thumb their nose at the American people - who knows what might come out of that,” Perry told reporters last week.

The governor isn't the only one suggesting secession is not out of the realm. Rep. Ron Paul (R-TX), a former presidential candidate, spoke with Kiran Chetry on CNN’s American Morning Tuesday.

Kiran Chetry: How serious is this secession talk?

Ron Paul: I don't think it's very serious. I don't think anybody called for secession, and I don't think the governor called for it. But he brings up an important issue. The biggest surprise to me was the outrage expressed over an individual who thinks along these lines, because I heard people say, well, this is treasonous and this was un-American. But don't they remember how we came in to our being? We used secession, we seceded from England. So it’s a very good principle. It’s a principle of a free society. It’s a shame we don’t have it anymore. I argue that if you had the principle of secession, our federal government wouldn't be as intrusive into state affairs and to me that would be very good.

We as a nation have endorsed secession all along. Think of all of the secession of the countries and the republics from the Soviet system. We were delighted. We love it. And yet we get hysterical over this just because people want to debate and defend the principle of secession, that doesn't mean they’re calling for secession. I think it's that restraining element of secession that would keep the federal government from doing so much. In our early history, they accepted the principles of secession all along.

Chetry: You said it's very American to talk about secession. It’s how we came into being. 13 colonies seceeded from the British. Are you likening the current situation to life under King George?

Paul: I think a lot of people are thinking that way. And I think that's what's important. People are angry. If we don't sense that, we don't know what's actually going on there. People are angry. I'm anticipating it will get a lot worse. When the dollar collapses and the federal government can't fulfill any of its promises, what if they send you dollars and they don't work. People aren’t going to have a violent secession; they’re just going to ignore the federal government because they will be inept. We'll be bringing our troops home and our empire will end. That's a different story. I think it's something we should talk about but we should institutionalize this principle. New England wanted to secede. No one challenged New England that it was unconstitutional in our early history.

Chetry: I want to move on to the bank bailouts. This is a source of a lot of contention. You've been opposed to them. Lately there have been some signs that perhaps it's working. Bank of America is turning a profit. Wells Fargo now saying they’re able to pay back the federal government and return some of that bailout money. In the end, could this have turned out to be the right move?

Paul: If a gangster steals money and he’s successful, you don't celebrate. Yeah they might be. This is just going to make the people angrier. They ripped us off, took all of this money, and now they’re making bundles? It's just an unfair system to penalize average people, inflate the currency and bring on another crisis and undermine the whole system.

So I would say a bank's success here and there is not necessarily something to celebrate. It's still pretty early. I don't think we're out of the woods yet to celebrate banks’ successes. What we have to realize is a lot of people stashed away a lot of money and took care of their bonuses and what not. You're not going to erase the anger that's come from that just because the bank made a profit. Like I say, it might make things worse.

Filed under: Controversy • Politics
soundoff (1,136 Responses)
  1. jon

    Succession is as american as a civil war. Can't give someone all the power and money and expect to remain free. Besides, there is a big difference between democracy and liberty. Benjamin Franklin made that poiint very clear.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:06 pm |
  2. GOP (Got 0 Plans)

    I say cut Texas loose. Let's see how long Texas can keep it's head above water with out all that Federal money it loves so much.

    Hmm, Texas the country. It will be known for no speed limits, the gun capital of North America, no immagrants, and you get the death penality for everything.

    Yeah, we can live just fine without these people....

    April 21, 2009 at 1:06 pm |
  3. Informed

    Texas once belonged to Mexico, Mexico can have it back. Let the drug cartels find out Mexico doesn't belong to the US any more. Texas is a red state that gets more Federal Aid and does less for it's people as opposed to the blue state of Illinois which gets less Federal dollars and does more for it's citizens. Let some other states get Texas' Federal money. Let the Texan's maintain their infrastructure with all the extra money they'll earn on their paychecks. The state of Illinois could use Texas' federal grants to fix Illinois' horrible roadways. As for the Tea Party. Taxation without Representation was the mantra for the Boston Tea Party. We must be represented, but we must pay taxes. Read your Bible!!!! Romans 13 says we must pay our taxes because the authorities of government answer to God. The reason our nation is in the mess it's in is because we have been under the rule of godless religious and government authorities.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:06 pm |
  4. GM

    We need a stronger federal government and more bank bailouts. Maybe that will create the negative reaction we need to change this horrid government. We have rules and laws enacted by 50-80 year old men and the average apathetic american is too enthralled with American Idol and the NFL Draft to pay attention to any important issues. Ron Paul is absolutely right. Maybe just the talk of secession will make us remember what this country was founded on, a bunch of elite brits who didn't want to pay taxes anymore, so they severed ties with the nation that started and funded them. How is that not secession?

    April 21, 2009 at 1:06 pm |
  5. rickjoel

    Oh please. Sympathy to the Texans who think these people are wacked. Who would be dictator of this new republic, Rick Perry or Ron Paul? My advice to them and those that like the idea, go out and buy an island and make it a country. That way you can get lots of aid from all sides. These two idiots give a slap in the face to the Texans who fought and died to make it a state and all through history to the present
    who died and suffered to keep this entire nation free-including the asses of those two. Boy they just hate being thrown out of power.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:06 pm |
  6. Tom

    If Obama keeps having his way digging in our pockets and devaluing our dollar, then Democrats and Republicans will cease to exist. The way we are headed, only anarchy will reign supreme. The banks are on the verge of collapse, read the health report on the top 19 banks financial stability.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:05 pm |
  7. The Lonely Libertarian of Liverpool NY

    @ Matt April 21st, 2009 11:27 am ET

    Right on! you get it. Too bad everyone else is just shooting from the hip and not trying to understand the point of the conversation, and yes Dr. Paul says we are having a conversation that is it.
    Where do you think our rights as citizens will be in the progressive government of the new "World Order"? Are you ready to give up your US Dollars for the euro? the yen?, paso? rubles?

    April 21, 2009 at 1:05 pm |
  8. Mike

    Ron Paul is right. secession is not treason. the right to secession keeps the federal gov in check.

    "a good patriot must always be willing to defend his country against his government". – Thomas Jefferson

    April 21, 2009 at 1:05 pm |
  9. Greg

    The difference today is the role the government is taking. It is becoming huge and intrusive in a short period. Just a few weeks ago, the Obama administration jumped all over a sting in the state of Washington that netted 20+ illegal aliens at a mechanic shop. They were about to deport them before some calls were made to the administration, and suddenly these illegal aliens were on their way to green cards. The administration noted how disappointed it was in the raid, but that was law enforcement enforcing the law.

    The point is, things are drastically changing in America. We are shaking hands with terrorists and those who despise democracy and pray for our demise. It's a radical shift from what we have ever done as a country, and many feathers are getting ruffled. As we move to a different kind of democracy, this is to be expected.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:05 pm |
  10. David in Dallas

    History 101: The Civil War resulted when states thought they could secede from the union.

    Maybe Perry and Paul think it would be good for the US to balkanize, but until the Texas National Guard can make a credible stand against the might of the US military, the rhetoric of idiots such as these will only ever be so much drivel.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:04 pm |
  11. Barb

    I say let them leave. They will all shoot each other and it will be just like Mexico now. They will come crawling back for help. I have noticed the red states are full of ignorant, selfish, self righteous people. The blue states are full of forward thinkers and people who want to help their neighbors. I ask everyone what do you want to be part of? Haters and negative people or the other side.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:04 pm |
  12. SAH

    Perry has destroyed all his chances to be a president of (or a contender for) the great USA. What a shortsighted comment...he'll regret it dearly.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:04 pm |
  13. DMA

    I think it's a wonderful idea for Texas to secede. I'm not sure it was such a great idea to add them in the first place. Since they were doing such a bang up job of managing their own affairs as "the Lone Star," I see no real reason to keep them from their destiny any longer. I just hope America doesn't waste so much money trying to keep them with the rest of us. We do have such a nasty habit of fighting for lost causes. God speed, Texas. Maybe after you've finished seceding you can always ask your other neighbors for support if you are in a jam.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:04 pm |
  14. PHIL





    April 21, 2009 at 1:04 pm |
  15. bill

    If Texas secedes, Jerry Jones, George Bush and Mark Cuban would all become illigals when they come to the U.S.....AWSOME! Go ahead LEAVE!

    April 21, 2009 at 1:04 pm |
  16. Debbie

    I'm a Democrat and I'm ashamed of my party. I can't believe the debt that this administration is amassing for my children / grandchildren / and great-grandchildren to pay. If you think your taxes won't be raised by this administration to pay for all of this – you have another thing coming. Perhaps they will keep their word and your payroll taxes will stay the same or go down, but when all other taxes are increased – – gas taxes, cigarette taxes, alcohol taxes, inheritance taxes, dividend taxes, food taxes, etc...the end result is HIGHER TAXES!!!

    I just want to know one thing – how fast can I move to Texas!!!

    April 21, 2009 at 1:04 pm |
  17. bro_5_pm

    Ok Texas, if and when the time comes you go and secede. However, when the Mexicans declare war on you and desire your land, don't ask the fed's for any help. Just do like your ex-fearless leader in crawford says and that is "git er done and bring it on" see how that works out for ya?

    April 21, 2009 at 1:03 pm |
  18. Spun

    Get over yourself Texas, lol. The cartels would have a field day if Texas secceeded. What time does the revolution start? I don't wanna miss it. Funny, I always thought it would be from the left, not the right. But, either way.

    "You can have my gun when you pry it out of my dead hand."

    April 21, 2009 at 1:03 pm |
  19. John

    The only clear thing rising from this collective white noise of comments is that this country is divided down to the very individual – divided by at least four major thoughts, and probably countless smaller groups, if they were to be grouped.

    People who typically are aligned with peaceful speech and activity are gleefully posting about hanging and shooting 'treasonous' Americans.

    People who uphold our rights and freedoms are talking about leaving.

    People who joined together in 2001 because we partly wanted to out of grief, and partly told to by the government (and therefore the media) are at each other's throats.

    I honestly look forward to watching all of you literally tear each other apart in the coming years so that when its over, and your selfish anger and misplaced bloodlust is exhausted, we can again do something meaningful with our nation.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:03 pm |
  20. jrs2

    Republican rule of thumb; if you can't impeach the president, then secede from the union. My way or the highway.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:02 pm |
  21. Jrivera

    All this talk of succession is stupid. What do Texan's really want to become a part of Canada or Mexico or thier "own" country? First sign of a crisis and they would be looking to the rest of us in the US to bail them out.

    People have forgotten that it was not the Obama admininstration that started this whole mess. It was the Bush administration and it handed over a huge mess for Obama to clean up.

    We got into this mess in a span of 8 years plus and Obama has only been in office 4 months!

    And those Tax Tea Parties I have been hearing & reading about have to stop. Unless the middle class does indeed get a break, none of us will ever get the chance to advance or to get our lives back.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:02 pm |
  22. Nick

    America dominates Puerto Rico like a Soviet regime: It controls public opinion through the media, and engages in misleading campaigns to isolate Puerto Ricans, and organizes elections.

    And this is coming from the nation that sees itself as the beacon of freedom. Puerto Ricans aren't even given the opportunity to secede.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:02 pm |
  23. Alex

    I think people are confusing two different things: 1) would secession of any US states be a good idea ? 2) should states have a right to secede. My answers are 1. No 2. Yes. Politically, calls for secession for states like Texas are extremist and stupid. However, if we try to forget that then there is no reason whatsoever why citizens of Texas should have less rights to secede than, say citizens of Slovakia, Montenegro or Uzbekistan.
    Secession is wrong, right to secede is not.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:01 pm |
  24. Bruce

    Your all missing the point of this. You need to look at this from an open view. First there is no serious talk of seccesion. additionally when the south wanted to succeed from the union it was no more or no less a large petition that the south was generally unhappy with the union as a whole. Now all you free speaking Americans need to really look at your constitution and know what is says. Republican or Democrat the federal goverment has ignored the constitution for decades and even longer the American populas that I refer to as "sheeple" does not take there own responsibility seriously and that how this mess gets started in the first place. You need follow the constitution its what protects us from the goverment. take responsibilty for your own actions and we wont have states talking of succesion. Bailouts are unconstitutional taxes on persons are uneccasary and for gods sake tell everyone to take care of themselves or starve to death instead of taking hard earned money from people that are trying to survive on their own.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:01 pm |

    Texas vs. mexico.... My money is on texas. just saying

    April 21, 2009 at 1:01 pm |
  26. Frank

    If it means no more presidents from Texas, I'm all for it!

    April 21, 2009 at 1:01 pm |
  27. Sue George

    Please, Texas, go and take clueless George and the rest of the Bush clan with you. Dick Cheyney and blowhole Rush, too. You had your 8 years, now slink back under the Texas boulder from which you crawled out. For 8 years, it was "unpatriotic" and "un American" to question our government; now it's totally acceptable? Just another Republican "I can't have my way so I'll take my dollies and go home!" Remember how upset the Republicans were when Clinton beat George I? They wasted tons of our money on prosecuting him. When George II took office there was no money for senior citizens health care, educaiton, etc. but there was plenty of money to prosecute unjust war! George Bush destroyed our credibility with other countries, President Obama is trying to reestablish our integrity. Hey, Cheyney – ever hear the saying "Keep your friends close but your enemies closer"? George Bush and company, just go away. Your constant whining is pathetic. Go find a pacifier!

    April 21, 2009 at 1:00 pm |
  28. James Stinson

    Ron Paul is such a nutcase. If Texas did try to secede they would end up with the highest taxes in the world. Can anyone extimate how much it would cost the people of Texas to create a military for protection? This alone would cost trillions of dollars. I guess Gov. Perry could always use the Aggie Corp at Texas A & M. Speaking of money, they would have to establish a currency and the State would have to find some way to back it with value. Texas would have no Constitution and would have to write another one. I can just imagine what special interests would do when they tried that. This whole idea is a crock! But, that is what you get when idiots are free to express their ideas. As long as Rep. Paul and Gov. Perry are still a part of the U.S. they will enjoy that freedom. They would better serve their State by shutting up and leaving things alone.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:00 pm |
  29. jbj

    I cannot wait. Please Texas succeed and I will move there in a second. Washington is out of control and its not just the Democrats, its all the career politicians and idiots in the federal government.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:00 pm |
  30. James Edwards

    IAll this talk of seccession is all hot air because many of the conservatives are angry that their party has lost power because of it wasteful way over the last eight years of the Bush presidency and Congressional majority. They were represented and lost the election. Right now they keep making gaffe after gaffe in their statements which shows me that they haven't changed one bit and they take after their Dear Leader Limbaugh.

    If Texas really want to secede from the Union they will pay a high price for their treasonous way. For one my tax dollars went to building the TX highway, roads and bridges and their National Guard bases and the like, I would want that money back and their tax rates to go skyhigh in order to pay the money back as quickly as possible. Then the border fences will be built to keep them out of my country. they will suddenly regret the mistake they made but it will be too late.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:00 pm |
  31. mike

    LOL, you lost one election, and the sky is falling

    Republicans actually thought they wer just gonna be in power from now on

    texas, go, please !

    April 21, 2009 at 1:00 pm |
  32. KJ

    Please, please let Texas leave. I've been hoping they would leave us for my whole life.

    April 21, 2009 at 1:00 pm |
  33. Dan from Texas

    I agree Ron Paul's comments on secession from a historical perspective are off basis. The U.S. wants secession from states and territories of other world powers, but clearly doesn't want to lose tax money and control of it's own states.
    I'm a seventh generation Texan and don't want Texas to secede, but I want the federal government to be limited and for the country to act as a republic. Clearly, the states differ significantly and many will be upset with whichever party is in power and the laws and policies that are enforced. Lobbyists have taken over both parties and both parties want as much central control as possible in Washington. The result is never-ending spending increases by both parties and more power being given to Washington.
    On a state basis, Texas was doing quite well with a nice budget surplus while California and New York had massive deficits. I'm not happy with my federal tax Dollars going to bail out California and New York without any changes to their state laws and spending that caused the deficits in the first place.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:59 pm |
  34. Sam

    Secession is a joke. Do you really think the Fed will allow it? The Federal government's performance deserves a decrease in tax not an increase. The big question is who will be held accountable for what happened? I have yet to hear of anyone being held accountable in Government or the banks. Where were all these Texans when Bush made up the iraq war and spent without restraint. Bush even borrowed from other government agencies to pay the pentagon. Where were they...

    April 21, 2009 at 12:59 pm |
  35. mban

    To all those who say 'anyone who speaks of secession is a traitor and should be hung', I ask of you to remember what the fate was of Robert E. Lee? He was NOT tried as a traitor nor was he punished legally for leading the Southern Army. The concept of secession is not treasonous. It is simply the result of an argument that began 220 years ago between Alexander Hamilton and Thomas Jefferson. Obviously Ron Paul would side with Jefferson's belief that more power should remain with the states, as would I. We need to limit our Federal Government and threatening secession is a political vehicle with which to build that discussion. This is even more critical as Obama is now chuming it up with dictators around the world and his slide towards despotism becomes more and more obvious.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:59 pm |
  36. OH IO

    Don't worry all you little liberals – we will give you the 25 states you want – then see whose ideas are 'better'.

    Don't Tread On Me

    April 21, 2009 at 12:59 pm |
  37. WEarealldone

    We can all sit here and write our comments, but we are not all multimillionaires so our comments and opinions matter not. Not one bit.ZERO!!!! We cannot choose who is thrown on the ballet, our vote is a fricken joke. So we choose who we think is the lessor of two evils. They are all a bunch a liers, thieves and whores. It has always been about power and money, and for the fools who think they still control this country by voting should take up knitting, they will accomplish the same political objectives. Texas will never be allowed to seceed, just wont happen. This is all just positioning to get more money from the government they protest to question. Wake up people.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:59 pm |
  38. Josh

    Texas won't survive? Do you guys realize Texas leads all states in military recruits for EVERY Armed Force? Good luck getting Texans to fight Texans. Do you guys realize that if Texas leaves it's not simply handing over it's assetts because America asks for them? That includes NASA, the Port of Houston (which is the Oil and gas hub of the World), and every military installation in the state. Do you realize Texas has more than 2 times the airports and military infrastructure of the next closest state? Not to mention we actually produce oil off of the Texas coast.

    Do you realize that the number of jobs that would Open up for Texans because they would now desire to build within their state those products that would then become imports? Can you say economy boom?

    Do you realize that Texas has higher population birth rates than any other state in America? They don't import their population like New York and California.

    Do you realize that Texas has the highest TOTAL Econimic gain from all EXPORTS in America? This goes hand in hand with Texas having a very low cost of living, and cheaper gas. Right now Texas is doing better financially than any other state. And it would only get better.

    and you still think Texas would be a third world country?
    I say it's the doubters who wear the blinders....
    Texas would thrive. It's America who would be the most hurt from a Texas succession. That's alot of industry, oil, military, population/tax money, export gain, and technology that would walk right out the door...

    Texas would do just fine... America on the other hand...

    April 21, 2009 at 12:59 pm |
  39. J

    The most common arguments from liberals:
    1. You're a racist
    2. You're un-American
    3. What about what Bush did?
    4. We deserve it, Americans are bad people

    April 21, 2009 at 12:58 pm |
  40. Shane

    Those decrying secession talk should think about the meaning of what they are saying. Just where I wonder do they think they get the moral right and authority for holding their fellow citizens at gunpoint if they want to go their own way?

    April 21, 2009 at 12:58 pm |
  41. Scott W.

    Many of the comments here affirm my will for Texas to secede. I do not want to be part of a country with such ignorant citizens who know only the false left/right paradigm. Restore Liberty. Restore the Republic of Texas!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:58 pm |
  42. Scott

    I think it would good for the country if we had another civil war. Clear out some dead wood.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:58 pm |
  43. Brookfield Bill

    Kodos to John in AZ

    April 21, 2009 at 12:58 pm |
  44. newpaltzgirl

    Because taxes, imposed by a government WE voted for, are so unconstitutional, yet everything the Bush administration did was fine.

    Whatever, Texas, all you gave us was BBQ and Dubya.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:58 pm |
  45. Matt

    I'd challenge those that said America got BO (Barrack Obama) because we voted for him as being false.

    We picked the lesser of 2 evils that's all. I didn't want him nor did I want McCain. Yet I pretty much had to pick one of the 2 as there were no 3rd party candidates.

    I would have voted for Mr. Paul if he would have ran. I think his message was the best – back to the vision for America that the founding fathers laid out for us. In fact many millions were supporting Mr. Paul.

    What happened? We have a 2 party system where the parties are not much different than each other so you have to pick the lesser of 2 evils, not the candidate you think is best.

    If Texas wants to secede let them go at it. It's not un-American (we were built on rebellious secession). Not saying it would be easy but if we are "free" and enough people want to not be part of the Union, let 'em leave.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:58 pm |
  46. GStock

    I cannot help but notice that everyone on this thread is using the term succession. 'Secession' is not the same as 'succession'.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:58 pm |
  47. the public > the people

    when the conservatives where in power during the Bush years, if you didn't like what was going on, the answer was you were un-american and you should leave. Now that Obama is in office if you don't like what is going on you're a patriot and you should secede... the only thing worse than a crying liberal is a whiney conservative

    April 21, 2009 at 12:57 pm |
  48. Carl

    Wanting to overthrow the President (something we have tried to do with the last two) is ok, but discussion of the idea of secession when the entire economy collapses is treason.

    Got it... ok....

    April 21, 2009 at 12:57 pm |
  49. Mike R

    its too bad there will always be people critical of another simply because of political affiliations.

    I truly hope Texas goes – and for that matter all the right wing loonies.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:57 pm |
  50. Chris

    First off if Texas wants to leave then whatever. I dont care either way, seriously the US government is an awesome one when it came it power as a Republic. Now that its turning into a socialist party, which it is, if the President can have someone take an 'early' retirement then we are heading in the WRONG Directions. Another thing about the bama, Bush talk, Bush did what was needed when the Twin Towers fell... Whats bamas excuse for spending Trillions and crap that doesnt matter.

    Example, unemployement. We really dont need more money in unemployment. IF you want people to work, cut the money out of the equation. Trust me people would find a job if they knew they couldnt sit on there @ss all day and collect and unemployment check just from purposly failing to meet employeers standards as I see many people do.

    Also this drug cartel issue, dont tax weed, dont make the government reg it like it does tobacco. Simply give everyone seeds let em plant that in there yards and make restrictions such as no smoking and driving and such. This way the drug cartels lose Billions because Americans would start using there on stuff and start saving Billions (overall) and putting the money back into America. This isnt meant to say that employers still should test them, if you still want workers THC free then leave it that way. Just think of other ways of killing these cartels without putting Americans in harms way

    April 21, 2009 at 12:57 pm |
  51. James

    How come everyone is acting like they have the ultimate answers to questions that historians, political scientists, lawyers, etc. have struggled with for millennia? Lets see, I have a degree in History, a degree in Political Science and I'll have my J.D. in another year. Just so ya'll know . . . I still can't say I have firm answers on anything. The only thing I know is that thinkers like Locke and J.S. Mills were right in pointing out that the only bad idea is not considering all views. If experts (professors, thinkers and professionals in the various academic fields) can differ on notions of what our history of revolution, civil war and secession have been than maybe we should all tone down our rhetoric and stop trying to shout down the ideas of others.

    For my part, I'm wondering why Texas is not in the same fiscal shape as other states. That's my leading indicator at the moment.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:57 pm |
  52. Scott

    Secession?? The civil war settled the hash of the last batch of secessionists. Now the republicans seemed to find treasonous a lot
    less injurious activities then this. What can this be but treason?

    April 21, 2009 at 12:57 pm |
  53. galt

    It's truly amazing how little regard the left has for 'the consent of the governed'.

    I'm no great supporter of Dubya. I don't like Big Government, whether Left or Right.

    But when you tell people that once you join this union, you're stuck with it,... well, that argues for EVERYONE seceding.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:57 pm |
  54. Jeff

    W was spawned in Connecticut, not Texas.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:56 pm |
  55. George M.

    The issue of sessession was settled in 1865. 11 states tried it so that they could preserve slavery as a "peculiar institution." It didn't work and thousands of people died to preserve the Union. It is a slap at and disrespect of the men in blue who died at Shiloh, Chickamauga, Antietam, Gettysburg, etc. even to be discussing sessession. Ron Paul should be in the same ash bin of history as the "sesesh" politicians of the 1850s and '60s.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:56 pm |
  56. Carl

    A. Rodgers, by taking your definition, the mere discussion is not treasonous. No one has fired a gun. No one has organized an army.

    Too bad your ignorance can't allow you to see the difference.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:56 pm |
  57. The Missourian

    Check your history folks. No, we did not "secede" from Great Britain. However, Texas is the only state in the union that explicitly retained the right to secede, due to the fact that they were a sovereign nation prior to becoming a state. It is not treason for them to discuss it.

    According to the Constitution, Treason is defined as waging war against or giving aid and comfort to the Enemies of the United States. By that definition, how is the mere discussion of secession "treason?" The Civil War did not start with the secession of the southern states. It started when South Carolina tried to take a federal installation by force.

    The Alien and Sedition Acts, which were declared unconstitutional, were enacted by politicians who were trying to protect the government from the people. When the government officials feel it necessary to protect themselves from those they are supposed to be protecting, that's when there needs to be some serious changes.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:56 pm |
  58. walkabout

    I am a democrat. I hated every second of the Bush administration. If we disagreed with the war we were traitors anti american. But he was elected so he was the president. Now the republicans loose so want to seceed. I agree is treason. Some have even suggested Obama be removed. Those are capital offenses.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:56 pm |
  59. Whitney

    Endorsing secession? Did he forget about that little thing called the Civil War???

    April 21, 2009 at 12:56 pm |
  60. Hunter

    Reading through these comments gives me great distress as to the intelligence of the American people. Almost entirely blinded by your party allegiance, you all can't even see things clearly or without bias. Supporting government without ever researching the implications of their horrible decisions (their, as in, Bush, Obama, Clinton, and Congress), and willingly submitting to 4 months of slavery at the start of every year is un-American. Fearing the state is un-American. Supporting any government who passed laws that had overwhelmingly negative support by constituents is un-American. Stifling the free market, punishing innovators and entrepreneurs, and rewarding failure is un-American. Americans need to learn what being American is all about. Start with reading the Constitution for once. Maybe follow that with a healthy study of economic theory. If you're too lazy to do those things, please follow through and be too lazy to vote next time, you're just getting in the way of those of us that care *and* understand reality

    April 21, 2009 at 12:56 pm |
  61. Mike

    Wow, most of these comments are great examples of exactly what is wrong with this country.

    Ron Paul has advocated that states should have the 'right' to secede, not that it should actually happen. That is an important difference: It gives states power over the Federal government. The Federal government has taken vast amounts of power over the states, and our current two-party political system makes it nearly impossible to elect representatives that would return that power back to the states.

    Our constitution has been increasingly trampled on for the past century. Congress passes laws that shouldn't pass constitutional muster, but they do because of political appointees to the Federal justice system. Note that if a law is so important, there is an existing way to implement it without violating the constitution: Propose an amendment, and if the states ratify it, it then becomes _part_ of the constitution. If the states do not ratify it – well, it must not have been so important anyway, at least at a federal level.

    The bank bailouts were a ripoff of the American people. First, it should never have come to that. Second, there wasn't even a debate about other options – frankly, I would have offered the money as protection against individual accounts invested in reasonable safe securities, and just let the banks fail.

    The bottom line is that these sort of discussions are very American and patriotic. It is our political system that is treasonous.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:56 pm |
  62. Darcy

    Charles, I really hope you are not that naive.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:55 pm |
  63. Greg

    He's right were under the horrible rule of King George Bush for eight years and Obama is trying clean up this heap of manure left behind by you Republicans. Where was the outrage when King George W. over taxing the middle class? Rich people run this country and they run our politicians case in point. Ron Paul. Read between the lines America.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:55 pm |
  64. Bryan

    I agree that this line of talk is going nowhere, so why are we still talking about it? Let it go away media, your fanning invisible flames.

    As far as the rest of what Mr. Paul said...

    ... at what point did this guy start moving into the grumpy, old, negative, raving crazy uncle category?

    April 21, 2009 at 12:55 pm |
  65. Dan, Vista, CA

    Secession movement is not new. Google the Republic of Cascadia, or the Alaska Independence Party.

    A peaceful secession would be great. I think it would eventually tone down the violent rhetoric and allow states to conduct business as they want. We are a country divided, and not because of Obama or Bush is or was President. People across the country do not share the same values or desires. Look at gay marriage issues, taxes, immigration.

    There are people with true differences and would be happier to live in a country that supports their point of view. As a union, a large portion of the population will be continue to be angry and disillusioned.

    Independence for some geographic areas, is a reasonable choice.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:55 pm |
  66. Michael

    If Texas were to secede – which it won't – there would be a massive migration of conservatives to the state. This would not only include those who supported Ron Paul, but many of the masses of conservatives who didn't. What would be the result? Depending upon the size of the "pilgrimage" America could lose a sizable chunk of its revenue-generating base ... Like it or not, conservatives occupy a lesser portion of the welfare roles. They're workers. On the other hand, Texas would receive a lot of workers, with very little work to offer them.

    This is only a very small piece of the picture. My point: even without a war, secession of any state would not be positive for anyone. We stand stronger as a people regardless of our differences. Where one is weak, others are strong.

    We should be speaking of strengthening our nation, not dividing it.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:54 pm |
  67. sharpie

    i don't think any of you read the article or heard the speech. Nobody suggested that anybody secede. As-a-matter-of-fact, they said that there was no reason to recommend it. They are just defending their right to speak the word, and to comment that it could become possible some day. I may not agree, but they do have the right to speak. Treason is when you actually take action. Talking, for the moment, is not illegal. Of course, there is a bill that is attempting to stop conservatives from speaking out. It amazes me... it seems that only liberal rheteric is allowed these days, and all our troubles are Bush' fault. I don't like Bush either, but last I checked, Pelosi and her crew went a long way towards getting us where we are today (I'm actually not a fan of either party, and I don't believe that the party I represent has is right all the time and the others don't like some in this blog).

    I also think people forget just how young our government and society is compared to others that fell that were much larger and stronger than ours. Nobody said we would be one nation forever. Talking about it possibly dividing at some unknown point in the future isn't treason. It's reality.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:54 pm |
  68. matt

    What Americans have forgotten is the concept of a statesman. Politicians today are NOT statesmen/women. Until recently, being a politician was to SERVE the people; however, today's politicians use their posts as JOBS. A representative for your country is not a career path. It is a person that is chosen to represent the country for the people. For some reason, we Americans have decided to allow the politicians to be career politicians.

    I don't care what party you support, can anyone honestly think that Ted Kennedy actually knows and votes for what is best for an average American citizen? Do any of you truly believe that someone in the system that long, and with that much money, actually understands the needs of the majority? If you believe this to be true, you are part of the problem. Please consider helping to revolutionize our country!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:54 pm |
  69. Smitty

    for those of you who are so eager to see Texas go just remember you have been using our oil to drive your cars and heat your homes!!!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:54 pm |
  70. Andre

    States may or will secede within 25 years. Likely the motivator will not be the debt mr Bush created but more likely be the new majority in the population. I.e. Mexicans who may want to bring back the states which belonged to Mexico before USA forced them into the Union. But of course that would also be slaughtering the chicken with the golden eggs.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:54 pm |
  71. ks

    Texas is the richest state of the "union" and Texans like to flaunt that fact.
    whenever Texas disagrees with Washington, Texas begins that old secession threat , instead of fighting back in unison with the rest of the united states!
    Go for it Texas and take the "lone Star" flag and shove it where the sun don't shine!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:54 pm |
  72. Matt Shine

    Anybody who thinks Texas could survive all alone needs to think again. Hurricaines, Mexican drugs, no army, no navy. The Federal Gov offeres a LOT of benefits to go along with those taxes.

    And to Nick at 12:30, grreeaaat. Create a Texas constitution to "protect" again liberalism and then claim it's a new land of the free. You don't even see your own foolishness.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:53 pm |
  73. PalmettoThroughandThrough

    As a politically neutral voter in this country's elections, I voted for President Obama and for Republican candidates in all other positions up for election. That being said, I support the economic regulation led by the Obama administration completely, but I also support what Ron Paul and the Governor of Texas meant when they so boldly used the word "secession".

    As a native and proud South Carolinian, secession is something I would know a thing or two about. We declared our independence from Great Britain a whole 3 months before any of the other colonies decided to do so and before any Declaration of Independence was drafted because we know all to well the greater importance of such a notion.

    By threatening secession, a state can force the federal government to make concessions and to allow that state powers that it deems necessary to preserve its rights to exercising its cultural practices. What works in Los Angeles or New York City isn't usually what works elsewhere. Southern culture has evolved into what it is today after more than 300 years of constantly changing society, just the same as New England and the rest of the former colonies north of the Potomac. So if Texan culture has followed its own path, be it for only 200 or so years, who are they as politicians more than a thousand miles away in Washington to tell Texans, or South Carolinians or any other state for that matter, that they cannot break away.

    South Carolina broke away twice from federal control in its relatively short history of 339 years, not because of trade restrictions on agricultural exports in the 16th century or because of slavery in the 19th century, but we broke away twice because however loud and incessant our calls for cooperation and compromise became, we were snuffed and belittled by powers much larger and more powerful than ourselves.

    Sometimes the quest to uphold cultural and political practices isn't the always the best thing to do, but sometimes it is what must happen in order to keep hold of our voice and position in this republic we call the United States. After all is said and done, what good is a REPublic if those vying for REPresentation are told by an executive order that is in fact outside of the REPresentative structure that their views are not important enough to be REPresented?

    April 21, 2009 at 12:53 pm |
  74. Don

    varangianguard We did secede from Great Britain. Does the Declaration of Independence and the Revolutionary War ring a bell? Ding, Fries Ready!!!

    I love hearing people say that Texas or no other state has the right to secede. Really? I think the Constitution disagrees. Also, maybe this talk will wake up some Republicans and especially the lib, facist, socialist Dems. No wonder they want an assult0like weapons ban!!! LMAO We Red Staters have em they don't. Ha Ha

    Maybe if you libs would end the sanctuary cities, enforce our existing "LEGAL" immigration laws like his messiahness said about enforcing existing gun laws, we'd be fine. How are Michigan and Kahlifornya governemnts doing (both blue states) ??? Going down the CRAPPER!!! HA HA HA

    Oh, and this redistribution of wealth / war on poverty started by LBJ and BJO, CROCK!!! We all have the same opportunities to get where we want, some just have to work a lil more than others. Get of your lazy a$$es, and get a REAL job!!! We need McDonalds and Wal-mart employees. Nothing wrong with that!!! But if that's the path you chose, don't ask the gov't to redistribute wealth for your poor choices!!! Have a Nice Day 😀

    April 21, 2009 at 12:52 pm |
  75. Jesse

    The associative fallacy has gotten a little out of hand in some of these responses. While most would readily align Ron Paul with the actions of George Bush, the GOP or Congress in general, I think it's very important to mention that Ron Paul has never voted for any of this crap thats going on. He was one of Bush's biggest (although unsung) opponents on nearly everything he did – Iraq, spending, privacy violations, etc. He's known in Congress as "Dr. No" for his staunce opposition.

    Everyone here talking as though he was just another Republican are just as ignorant as all of those people that thought Obama was a Muslim. Get your facts straight.

    "secede: to withdraw formally from an alliance, federation, or association, as from a political union, a religious organization, etc."
    Was the Declaration of Independence not formal enough for everyone? Were we being un-British by not staying? Were all of our ancestors (except those that were already here) being un-*insert your country of origin here* by leaving those nations?

    America was founded on the concept of freedom from oppression – specifically financial oppression. (We apparently didn't mind not having representation BEFORE we were taxed.) What each of us feels would constitute oppression really doesn't matter. What matters is the feeling of oppression. And there are a great deal of people all over the country that feel they are being burdened financially by the will of people thousands of miles away. Did everyone just completely forget about the fact that Obama plans on taxing the hell out of anyone making more than $75k to pay for all of this crazy spending? How is that real equality? How is that real freedom from oppression?

    "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the RIGHT OF THE PEOPLE TO ALTER OR ABOLISH IT, AND TO INSTITUTE NEW GOVERNMENT, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness."

    Please stop calling our Founding Fathers anti-American or unpatriotic.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:52 pm |
  76. john

    to Birana the college student:Not everyone voted for Uncle Obama

    April 21, 2009 at 12:52 pm |
  77. Jersey Patriot


    Its sad to see people in decisive and instrumental postions of our government failing so badly.

    If this isnt a sign of out with the the old and in with the new then I dont know what is.

    Ron Paul supports succession. WHY ARE PEOPLE SUPRISED BY THIS?!? Ron "I'm Neutured" Paul opened his Presidential deabate in 2008 regarding 9-1-1 by saying the US had it coming due to our international policies and activities. HOW CAN WE FORGET THAT?!? Do we as a nation really have Attention Deficiency? The coward opened his international policy bid for President of our country by telling critics and enemies both foreign and doemstic to kick us in the nads!!!!!! I'm not surprised you want to help devide our country Ron.

    Hey Ron I dont know who keeps voting you in but you can take your voters on the wagon trail with you.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:52 pm |
  78. goodnews

    What a dork!!! People clearly have forgotten WHY we seceded from England–no representation. BIG DIFFERENCE TODAY, folks. You may not like the actions of our representative leaders..TOUGH. Vote them out, or move. THAT'S the true American way.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:51 pm |
  79. Dean Johnson

    150 years ago the REPUBLICANS fought a war to repudiate the idea (and act) of secession from the Union by the DEMOCRATS. At that time the Republicans were the LIBERALS and the Democrats were the CONSERVATIVES. The states did freely join the Union but they do not have the right leave. This is so much posturing and smoke blowing. Time to grow up, dissent and debate are healthy just as Intollerance and hate are childishly immature. Republicans need to quit being babies and work alongside the Democrats to find solutions to our problems, rather than issuing "my way or the highway" ultimatums.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:51 pm |
  80. George

    GO, Texas, GO! GET OUT - we do NOT need you!
    Good-bye and good riddance!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:51 pm |
  81. Kierthos

    Jesus H. Tap-Dancing Christ.... the idea that Texas can legally secede from the United States without needing the U.S. Congress to sign off on it is an urban legend.

    You'd think that the Governor of Texas would know that.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:51 pm |
  82. Daniel

    Texas is about 8% of the population. They need to come up with about a trillion dollars in cash to pay off their debt before they can go. They then need to buy all U.S. Government Property within the state at fair market value (lets say another $3 or $4 trillion.

    In addition, there is nothing in the constitution that allows for the secession of a state. They need to amend the constitution to allow it. Good luck with that. barring that, WAR! I think Texas could use a bit of ethnic cleansing... Those necks have not been washed for a while.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:51 pm |
  83. A Rogers

    TITLE 18 > PART I > CHAPTER 115 > § 2383

    § 2383. Rebellion or insurrection

    Whoever incites, sets on foot, assists, or engages in any rebellion or insurrection against the authority of the United States or the laws thereof, or gives aid or comfort thereto, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and shall be incapable of holding any office under the United States.

    Seems pretty clear. Throw these people in jail. Anyone who suggests this is not the most un-American, unpatriotic thing to consider is not worthy of being an American... this goes beyond the pale of free speech.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:51 pm |
  84. Sean from Phoenix

    Whatever happened to free speech? I think this is just an expression of people's frustration with our government right now. People are sick and tired of the same B.S. being pedaled from D.C. all the time. Better to hear it in the open, than to have people planning it underground.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:51 pm |
  85. charles

    No state should be able to secede. The US federal government is smarter than any state and the president cares about us, he will take care of us.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:51 pm |
  86. chad

    What amazes me is the fact that what Ron Paul said has been taken completely out of context. As he stated no one is talking about actually seceding from the Union, we are merely discussing the idea of secession. Which in fact is as American as apple pie. We were granted the right, via the Constitution, to discuss openly and freely our likes and dislikes of the American Government and those who hold our highest positions in government. To add no America didn't exactly secede from England, we revolted. As far as anyone who says they are not proud or happy to be an American now or ever in their lives I sympathize for you and anyone you may share your thoughts with about our country. This act of blogging back and forth to one another about our likes and dislikes is a luxury/privelage/right that countless other people in the world would love to experience.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:50 pm |
  87. Carl

    You know it's funny, when Vermont threatened to leave in 2004 and Montana threatened to leave last year, you found support because it was against Bush.

    Now, any state that talks that line now is apparently anti-Obama and racist and un-American.

    What a double standard. Democrats should at least know better, since they were saying these things 4 years ago.

    The difference this time is Ron Paul uses economics to make his point, and he understands that we will have a massive collapse in this country soon, and that collapse could bring more talk of secession, especially if the federal government completely fails on just about everything they do.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:50 pm |
  88. Prof Cargill

    This is a little background for those of you struggling with the concept of Secession.

    Our friends at Webster’s define Secession and Independence as the following.

    The act of Secession is defined as the act of withdrawing from an organization, union, or especially a political entity. It is not to be confused with succession, the act of following in order or sequence.

    Independence is the self-government of a nation, country, or state by its residents and population, or some portion thereof, generally exercising sovereignty.

    Independence is the self-government of a nation, country, or state by its residents and population, or some portion thereof, generally exercising sovereignty.

    Now let us move forward with the discussion.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:50 pm |
  89. Stephen

    Simply stated, the truth is self-evident and our government should be very afraid of this angry population. Not the population being afraid of an angry government.

    When 'We the People' discover that our (yet to actually be earned) trillions bought 'already scratched / known loser' lottery tickets to fund lavish lifestyles for a few insiders (both domestic AND foreign), we might get a bit upset. Just because the ticket said you can win a million, doesn't make it worth that much.

    If you do not know your rights, then you do not have any.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:50 pm |
  90. Vince

    While I do agree that secession is a bit of an over reaction many on this board seem to be enamored with Federal power as if that is what made America great. The autonomy of the states and the right to run things locally is what gives us distinct independent cultures within our Union. Its Ironic that throughout our short history when states rights are at the forefront we actually end up being a stronger Union. This is because people feel like they are part of the government. Under central control like we had under Bush and now Obama many people feel like they are just the governed. Also if a particular states principles and philosophy is not congruent with your own you have the advantage to move to another state that is more in line with you. Highly centralized government like we have today is only good for people who like to be micromanaged. The problem is I believe most Americans hate to be micromanaged and this is where the frustration comes in. Instead of seeing the problem as it is, its easier to to just argue everything from the left/ right political perspective. People need to stop being good republicans and good democrats and start being good Americans. Remember, liberty is first and foremost what the founding of this country was about, and liberty is something we are born with that nobody in government can take away from you unless you let them.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:50 pm |
  91. jared

    seceding in Texas has been a thought for years. When I lived in the Texas panhandle there were talks about the Oklahoma panhandle and Texas panhandle merging. And now I live in south Texas which if anyone knows Texas history, used to be mexico. And some days I think it still is, but you have to live here to understand where I'm coming from. Texas is a reasonable size state that can do well on its own. We still have a growing economy and plenty of space to grow into. Texas doesn't want to secede the U.S., but if congress doesn't pull their heads out of you know where; there will be alot of states that can take care of themselves. I'm neither republican nor democrat. To me the problem starts with congress not our president. Bush tried to protect us from harm and Obama is trying to revive the economy. Those reasons we should be thanking our presidents... present and past. Like I said before I've heard this kind of talk back when clinton had a girl under the table and things really haven't changed except for now there are people afraid for there future, so now there are more talks on what people think they can do on there own. What people should be afraid of is if texas splits into four equal parts. That would mean more republican parties. Cry about that.
    P.S. Bush is not a native texan... He was born in Conneticut!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:50 pm |
  92. dan

    Sounds like a great idea to me!! Let's get on with it and then we Texan's can apply to the US for Foreign Aid!!

    April 21, 2009 at 12:49 pm |
  93. Bryan

    geez people....he is talking about less federal goverment and more at the state level and unfortuantly the federal level is getting bigger and bigger. That is his whole philosophy (and the founding fathers philosophy) on how our government should work. I think a lot of the people on here no nothing about Ron Paul and are just going by this article.....thats a shame.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:49 pm |
  94. Taylor from TX

    Rick Perry needs to GO. It is just populist carping that probably won't amount to anything. Still, being so vacuous to even suggest that secession is an OPTION! I winced even writing the word secession. Real Americans won't stoop to even enter the discussion.

    Seriously, if Texas did even secede, it would spiral into a third-world country almost immediately. It would take generations for the economy to adapt to economic independence. Seriously. Rick Perry, Sarah Palin, Ron Paul, you are uneducated on history, ignorant of a century and a half of legal tradition and a TRAITOR to your country. The United States wouldn't be better if Texas was gone, but it would improve if you three were expelled from office for treason.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:49 pm |
  95. Mike S.

    Would the Cowboys still be America's team?

    April 21, 2009 at 12:48 pm |
  96. Coalition for an Idiot Free America

    Lest we forget, Democrats started the national deficit over 50 years ago.

    Both sides are to blame for the national deficit, and neither party is doing anything about it. Let's vote ALL of the bums out.

    If the Libertarian party (big on individual liberty [socially liberal] and small on government, ie lower taxes [fiscally conservative]) wasn't led by a pyschopath, I'd say they were our only hope. But they are, so they aren't.

    People interests should come before business interests. Because of the employment issues in Michigan, I'm ok with the auto industry getting some help. Their retirees get so much from their pensions that they don't even need medicare/medicaid - they're still covered by their health insurance. Last time I checked, the banks were still kicking people out of their homes.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:48 pm |
  97. SSGTricky

    Texas won't secede from the worries..why are folks getting all wrapped up in this discussion? And as far as the party bashing on BOTH sides, then tossing in the Civil War, it WAS the Democrats (predominately rich slave owning whites) who seceded from the Union and it was a Republican (Lincoln) who authorized war to save the Union. Remember Dixie-crats? Biggest issue with that is that the Lincoln administration never formally recognized the govt of the Confederacy, therefore, never viewed them as a seperate country. With that being said, that administration authorized military force against its own citizens to "bring them to heel". Not making excuses for either side. However, remember, WE (as in Americans) voted every politician into office. Whether you voted or not, you KNOW we can fire them right? Don't like the way things are going? Vote them out. Unless of course you are a military member overseas, then your votes "won't make it in time" regardless of who you vote for.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:48 pm |
  98. Santa Claus

    Some guy once wrote: "When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them..."

    April 21, 2009 at 12:48 pm |
  99. Darcy

    Actually the extreme version of socialism is communism. that is where the state owns all. Get your facts straight.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:48 pm |
  100. John

    For those of you saying: Fine, Texas. Secede! We don't need you.

    I'm pretty sure we'd miss Texas. Don't be haters just because Texas is a red state.

    April 21, 2009 at 12:48 pm |
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