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June 11th, 2009
10:19 AM ET

Commentary: "Lone wolf" most difficult threat to fight

Frances Townsend says the 'lone wolf' represents the most difficult problem for law enforcement.

Frances Townsend says the 'lone wolf' represents the most difficult problem for law enforcement.

An 88-year-old Maryland man with a long history of ties to white supremacist groups is the suspect in Wednesday's fatal shooting at the U.S. Holocaust Memorial Museum, two law enforcement officials told CNN.

Experts say there are an estimated 926 hate groups operating in America right now. Back in May, the Department of Homeland Security reported that hate crimes were on the rise and that some of that was likely fueled by the election of a black president.

Now the question is being raised yet again – how serious is the threat of domestic terrorism here at home? Frances Townsend, former homeland security adviser to President George W. Bush, spoke to Kiran Chetry on CNN’s “American Morning” Thursday.

Kiran Chetry: This suspect is an 88-year-old man. He had been in prison for a prior armed kidnapping. He tried to kidnap some members of the Federal Reserve in 1981. But then he seemed to be off the radar for decades. How do you increase the odds of being able to flag whether someone is prone to violence again in the future?

Frances Townsend: The “lone wolf” represents the single-most difficult problem for law enforcement. Of course, the FBI has joint terrorism task forces across the country; over a hundred of them. Each of those has got a domestic terrorism component to it. They infiltrate these domestic terror groups. They talk to people. They surveil them. They watch the Web sites and the rhetoric. We did see an up-tick during the primaries before the actual general election. We were worried about the up-tick in violent rhetoric of these supremacist groups.

But it's very difficult, if somebody is not sort of affiliated with one of those groups or not really active in them, to track the “lone wolf.” As you say, Kiran, this guy doesn't fit what you would imagine the supremacist would look like or be like when he walks into the museum yesterday with a rifle at 88-years-old, a former veteran himself. It's very disturbing. That's why you really have to give the security guards credit. They reacted so quickly and saved the lives of many people inside visiting that museum, especially children.

Chetry: But unfortunately the security guard, Stephen Johns, did not make it and that's really the tragedy in the situation. In May, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano was criticized for a report that raised concern about security risks from a group of returning veterans. You were in this office as well. How do you determine where you target your resources? And who eventually goes from just having some viewpoints that are extreme, which is allowed, to acting on them?

Townsend: Well, of course, the First Amendment of our Constitution allows people to say hateful things. And what you're looking for is the tipping point when they're actually going to take action against it. You're looking for things that might push them over the edge. Do they have weapons? Do they have access to weapons? Is there a plan? Are they talking about or trying to inspire others to actually act on their hateful thoughts.

But this is much more art than science, Kiran, so it's very, very difficult. That's why the FBI invests a good deal of resources in this. Again, when you're talking about limited resources, we have to remember foreign terrorists have killed thousands of Americans. These [domestic plots] tend to be isolated incidents with limited impact, although they do involve the loss of life. That said – the FBI spends resources on both. But of course you have to set priorities.

Chetry: Do you take issue with or do you agree with this estimation that there are nearly a thousand of these hate groups operating in the country right now?

Townsend: Not only do I think that's right, but I think what you'll find is with the use of the Internet these people can find like-minded people with like-minded hateful thoughts and it's sort of self-reinforcing of these sorts of awful things. And they can find people to share their ideas with and spread their ideas. So you know, in that way the Internet has actually aided these groups and led to a proliferation of them.

Chetry: It's also possibly helped with tracking, though, correct? Being able to track and keep track?

Townsend: That’s correct.

Filed under: Crime • Terrorism
soundoff (207 Responses)
  1. Denine

    At Ray and William III – For your information, I watched Sarah Palin live this morning on the Today Show, and it was plainly obvious that she was stretching truths/outright lying. She wanted so badly to have 15 more minutes of fame that she twisted Letterman's words to achieve that. He never once said anything about anyone raping her 14 year old daughter. He was openly mocking Bristol, who has made herself a public figure by now being an advocate for teen pregnancy prevention. It's obvious that Palin just likes to hear herself talk. Speaking of people who like to hear themselves talk and think that their way is the correct way – read your own posts. My guess is that both of you guys never miss a Sunday service at your white protestant church where they feed you all of your information. Who's being snowed now!?!

    June 12, 2009 at 8:15 pm |
  2. wally

    If one can argue that the best way to stop the violence in the illegal drug trade is to change the law and make it totally legal because so many people want to legalize it,

    then wouldn't it be a fair agument that to stop the violence in late term abortions is to change the law and make it totally illegal because there are som many people against late term abortions?

    June 12, 2009 at 6:49 pm |
  3. Ray

    The way I see it- the media supports attacks on people it doesn't agree with using subversive tactics that suprisingly work.

    Take the Sara Palin Letterman situation.

    First someone in the media attacks Sarah Palin, people laugh.
    Then they do it again, and again do diminish her.
    Then they take a bad interview she did with Katy Couric, and rather than show it once in its entirety, they play it over and ver keeping it in the news for a week to further diminish her.

    Then they attack her character, then attack her children.

    If she doesn't object, they attack her chldren again and again.

    When she finally objects, they accuse her of exploiting her children by defending them on national media.

    The classic set up. Except it is an obvious one if you really think about it.
    However, their left wingers only get their ideas from the media, so they buy in and low and behold, the left wingers have a point to make that the feel strongly about because they heard it on their favorite media outlet so it must be a good point.

    Actually it is a contrived point that they were set stand up for so what did the media accomplish? They get to diminish their opponents on their own terms and get the left wing sheep to go along for the ride.

    Clever- but shallow to those that are aware.....

    June 12, 2009 at 6:39 pm |
  4. William III

    Yup, Most left wing idealogs are so convinced how smart they are that they accept twisted truths , speel hatred of those they disagree to the point that they so believe their own diatribe that they would actually pass lie detector tests while spitting out erroneous facts and data.

    Can you imaging someone criticizing a politician for defending her self and her children and actually "Believing" they have made some sort of point- by attacking the other person and saying that they did some truth-twisting. Of course they can't say what the truth-twisting is though, it is just their nature to attack others rather than too obviousley lose an argument by attempting to defend thier "letterman's" of their little world.

    That is why most left wingers fall under the category of hipocrate.
    If they can't win a debate on the merits, they attack with false claims, "typically by reciting opinions off the left wing media" as facts- which by the way is the left wing medias ultimate plan- to confuse their leftwingers with opinions enough times that the left winger actually believes it to the point making a fool out of themselves in the eyes of those that can see through their curtain of deception.

    Right wingers make mistakes because they are dumb and easily swayed by their constituents and lobbyist based upon their idealogy.

    Left wingers are smart, with a hidden evil that is so prevalent that they accept their own evil as norm.

    June 12, 2009 at 5:52 pm |
  5. ray


    Your comments ARE the example....

    June 12, 2009 at 5:37 pm |
  6. Denine

    At Ray – And Palin did no truth-twisting at all, right? She is an opportunist. She heard about Letterman's remarks and decided she could get 15 more minutes of fame out of them, AT THE EXPENSE OF HER CHILDREN AAAAGGGGAAAIIINNN!!!

    June 12, 2009 at 4:38 pm |
  7. Marty

    The media – Most of FOX on the Right, and just about everyone on CBS, NBC, ABC, MSNBC, (many, not all on CNN) etc on the left is a business.

    The reason FOX has so much market share is because it is easy for viewers to distinguish between the facts and the ideological opinions that they report.

    The other left networks have low ratings because viewers other than the pure radicals simply get tired of the same old bashing of the republicans, twisting of facts and reporting partial "out of context" facts as the whole story.

    Once a viewer gets wind ( it deon't really take too long) that they cannot trust the left media, they simply tune out and watch Desperate Housewives or some other entertainments.

    Most of the educated (non radical) audiences flip the dial between CNN and FOX news to sort out the facts.

    June 12, 2009 at 3:04 pm |
  8. ray

    Wait a minute- I remember seeing Orielly talk about "Tiller the baby killer". It was news because the Attorney General of the state was investigating hin for being accused of providing "later term abortions" illegally. If I recall their was politics surrounding the Governor looking the other way and an election on the horizon.

    Orielly wasn't insighting anyone to kill Tiller. He was reporting News that his audience "mostly against late term abortions" was interested in hearing.

    Any twisting of the fact about Oreilly insighting a killing is simply people mis-reporting that facts to attack people they disagree with.

    A recent example is blaming Sarah Palin for exploiting her 14 year old daughter for political purpose because she chose to defend her against what was clearly over the line comments by Letterman .

    The real truth is that most of the media supports these kind of subversive inuendos against politicians they disagree with that are meant to denigrate people. The more that they can spit out, the more the sheep will believe. When it comes time to defend their actions, the media reports a twisted view of reality – like blaming Palin for defending her kid as as if she is the one that is to blame for the whole mess that the media tried to create.

    June 12, 2009 at 2:38 pm |
  9. Kasado

    Do you feel deep satisfaction that with just a few simple titles such as: Nazi, crazy old man, hater, racist, wing nut -the life and opinions of a 88 year old man can be trivialized into non-existance. Even though I do not agree with his ineffectual methods I have to grant him some respect. Tell me how many of you are willing to sacrifice anything for your convictions? I'm waiting....I didn't think so. This man was willing to sacrifice his very life to fight for what he believes in and does not deserve your scorn. Do you sleep well at night knowing that another threat to your comfort zone has been eliminated with labels born of ignorance and hate or do you toss in your beds knowing that there are some among us that are willing to sacrifice everything for our beliefs (however misguided).

    June 12, 2009 at 1:02 pm |
  10. Chuck

    Geez stopped me dead. Townsend 'invisible'? She was in the thick of it! Heck...Obama has no experience to speak of! But he has a great speaking style which seems to allow him to shanghai the countries future in the name of 'benefits' for all.
    Get over lumping all who disagree with abortion into 'hate groups'...that was the GOP objection. Having a 'save the babies' bumper sticker got you tagged in a homeland security report! That sticker indicts a lot of people in my church who would most likely not step on an ant! Come on!

    I'm starting to get scared!

    June 12, 2009 at 12:59 pm |
  11. MuddyG

    Wow. This country is so full of irrational people incapable of having civil discourse and unable to spell.

    The "left" and the "right" are constructions of the man to keep you at each others' throats while the real power goes on behind the corporate curtains, through their corporate bank accounts, and into the pocket of our corrupt legislators.

    Campaign finance is the number one root cause of all that is wrong with this country.

    June 12, 2009 at 12:58 pm |
  12. NJ

    history repeats, I think we have to break up. I am leaving your angry leftist rants for Judgemental's angry right wing rants. Sorry friend. Judgemental, how much do you weigh? I am aiming for a ton of friends and am about 300 lbs short.

    June 12, 2009 at 12:16 pm |
  13. Judgemental

    Rob C. Since you raise gun control I think you should know, but I am sure you do not, that it is illegal for any convicted fellon to own a gun legally, or to purchase one from a reputable dealer. Though I am sure if you stop hugging your tree you might be able to read a book that has the laws in it, once they cut down your tree!

    As for people blasting republicans as being part of these groups you are even less inspiring than Rob to me. Most of these groups are anti governement and do not belong usually to mainstream parties (their agendas do not match). As for people slamming the fact the current homeland puppet having t appologize for her comment about war veterans coming back from Iraq and Afganistan, I believe the last two must publicised attacks were from old coggers who should of not had guns legally (illegal guns are probably easier to get than MJ on the corner) and should of been out of society long ago. Though with health care improvements more and more of these old coggers will keep living longer and longer, shame really it is alot easier to control young mindless people who do not have very many life experiences to base their beliefs on.

    June 12, 2009 at 11:37 am |
  14. Jeff

    The FBI doesnt investigate international terrorism. Thats the job of the CIA and the NSA. The FBI only investigates domestic matters.

    June 12, 2009 at 11:14 am |
  15. history repeats


    you are so poetic. you must have tons of friends.

    June 12, 2009 at 11:03 am |
  16. NJ

    CJR- Being of Middle Eastern descent, I am thrilled that the terrorist focus is off my ethnicity and squarely on the shoulders of right wing crackers.

    Praise Allah... errr I mean Jesus! Or Buddha. (I forget who we're supposed to pray to)

    June 12, 2009 at 10:54 am |
  17. NJ

    cjr- Rush came to me in a dream last night and instructed me to write a children's book entitled "How to dress like Alex P. Keaton. Dress for success and maintain a rigid WASP-esque public appearance"

    Also have you read 1984, remember when the neighbors children turned in their parents for being anti-establishment Goldstein supporters? Godd@Mn that was hilarious. If my parents were still alive I would totally turn them in too!

    You are so right, EVERYONE TURN IN YOUR NEIGHBORS!!!!!!

    Also, why not arm the left? Level the playing field?

    June 12, 2009 at 10:50 am |
  18. cjr

    people like rush, glenn and o'reilly and the people who listen to them need to held accountable for these type of incidents.

    If anyone you know says or does anything that you think could lead to hate crimes – please contact the police or FBI. It sounds extreme but if it prevents a loss of life – it is worth it. We must also address the issue of gun control. – obviously the NRA manta does not work – contact your elected officials to get stronger legislation started.

    June 12, 2009 at 9:48 am |
  19. NJ

    I am totally bored by this thread. I think I've had an anger overdose. Man, you folks sure can churn it out. Thank you. That was decadent! Thank you for the anger bender. I am going to go pet some animals now and watch the clouds move across the azure sky.

    Weep not for me. Weep for yourselves. Focus that ineffectual rage on something important, that will change the world, play some Animal Crossing and beat your children.

    June 11, 2009 at 7:08 pm |
  20. Realist

    Left wing nuts sue people.
    Right wing nuts shoot people.

    June 11, 2009 at 6:49 pm |
  21. NJ

    Dear sweet history repeats,

    Keep it coming, your anger is like vitamins to me. Whip up the masses into a frenzy, a simian rage that can only be quelled with the sweet and terrible ensuing societal (that is the right word? I read it in a big book) breakdown It's not just Americans, but rather the entire world.

    There is nothing you can do BUT be angry. Get out there, try to change things, see what happens, see how far you get. You are one human in 6,783,421,727.

    Good luck.

    June 11, 2009 at 6:23 pm |
  22. Response to Peace is Still

    NJ, I think he means "smoke AND mirrors," you left and right wingnut.

    June 11, 2009 at 6:20 pm |
  23. NJ

    "I’m tired of the smoking mirrors"– Me too!! They fill my castle, lining every wall and doorway. It's very hard to maintain my sanity in this environment. I am glad someone else knows the terrible burden of "the smoking mirrors"

    They are the bane of my very existence. I would remove them but alas, while I am a heavy heavy smoker I am also eisoptrophobic.... ooooh the irony.

    What do you do about your smoking mirrors?

    June 11, 2009 at 6:15 pm |
  24. history repeats


    yes i am angry. im glad you picked up on that. i cannot stand the ignorant people in this country that put a moron like bush into the white house TWICE. we can PRETEND like the united states is beautiful and wonderful and happy and the good guys always win OR we can be relistic and understand that people are taken advantage of everyday. these POLITICIANS do whatever they want and get away with it. this country was founded on the principles of keeping our elected officials accountable thats why we have a PRESIDENT and not a KING! but people care more about their favorite sports team. the right wing has RUINED this country and instead of seeing that and fixing their mistakes they do what they always do, what the christians and most religious people do, they think they have NO FAULTS. they blame everyone else. they have the nerve to blame this entire mess INCLUDING these right wing hate filled killers on the left!! they still dont get it. i hate the fact that america seems to be getting dumber every year. i hate the fact that nobody gets involved in anything. what the republicans did in albany is absolutely DISGUSTING and its an outrage and people should be storming that building down and dragging ALL of those politicians out!! but as usual most people dont even know about it!!! im sick of religion and its FAKE solution to real problems! i hate the fact that people think because they are above 20 yrs old that they have just somehow become MATURE ADULTS that know everything! yes i am hateful!

    June 11, 2009 at 6:13 pm |
  25. lightningbolt1

    History repeats, calling liberal views educated is quite a stretch after seeing what has happened since January. I like how you spin off right wing as stupid people who don't have a clue. Or throw in the military as right wing.Do they pay you for this stuff or are you just brain washed by the media?? Let me ask you this, If right is right and wrong is wrong, where is the middle ground that you love to pat yourself on the back for standing on.Another one, good and evil, can something be half good and half evil?
    Sometimes, you have to make a stand on something you know is right or wrong. Is that stupid to you?Or are you like a fart on the wind, and just go where you are blown?Or who pays the most? If you are scared to stand on a belief, does that make everyone who don't agree with you a right winger??How is it that liberal logic only works in one direction? See, I'm a bigot because I want give in to your ramblings. But because you are a liberal,you think you are always right and those that oppose are always wrong....Nice try, might have worked on someone younger, save it for them!!!

    June 11, 2009 at 6:08 pm |
  26. NJ

    Response to Peace is Still:

    Yes, I have been known to be hatin on a feline democrat's cock, but that's a once maybe twice a year thing! Wiscon had it coming (no pun intended), he and his ape (history repeats) are on the "backy" every night! It's turning their brains to mush!

    June 11, 2009 at 6:06 pm |
  27. lightningbolt1

    You guys are so easy.First of all this guy was a nut,period.Second, the blame for our woes fall on all politicians that have served for the last thirty years.Republicans, Democrats and Independents. They ALL have ignored the will of the people and lined their pockets.They keep you foolish people bickering about this crap while they work their agenda in the background.Bush was terrible and ignored the economy.Obama, hasn't gotten one thing right yet. The stimulus plan is a joke and only implemented so these crooks could get their money out of these crooked companies that they backed and was in bed with, At our expense.If you really want change, try facing reality.Here is whats next ( for you blind,arrogant party mongers).Now they are going to activate their base to spread all this crap about how we need more gun control, thus to further their agenda to disarm America. I'm tired of the smoking mirrors. I'm tired of listening to bought and paid for media tell lies and half truths to help further their parties agendas.I'm tired of a president that talks trash about the country and people who was so foolish to elect him. Why did he want a job for the people he hates and a country he despises. I don't get it?What other reason could he have....hmmmmmm, thats another write up. The truth is these people are playing America for a fool. And I have to admit I can see why every time I read these comments. Now the republicans will shake their fingers and scream see, I told you blah, blah, blah, when they are not much better. We inform these so called leaders of what the people want yet they continue to push what they want down our throat.And all you people can do is get on here and call each other names and bash each others party.Real mature by the way, not to mention the problems it solves.You all are playing right into their hands. Dems this year, republican the next. Not ever righting a wrong,or doing whats right. Just keeping the people busy with this trivial stuff why they finish ruining this country.......sad, very sad!!!!!

    June 11, 2009 at 5:52 pm |
  28. Response to Peace is Still

    Firstly, "evil" is not an action word, it's a noun. The shooter did not evil the security guard. He committed an evil deed by shooting him. Hate, on the other hand, assuredly is an action word, in that "to hate" qualifies as a verb form in a sentence. "The shooter presumably hates ethnic minorities and so he shot a man in a holocaust museum."

    To your suggestion that everyone pray for the haters, I'll bet you a gazillion Internet bucks that the shooter DOES believe in God, The Christian God, and Christian love . . . only he likely also believes that dark people are Canaanites who are not deserving of God's love and that Jews are responsible for the death of Jesus.

    I appreciate the sentiment as I, too, believe that teaching love is a way to encourage peaceful and kind behavior, but religion tends to polarize people in this country. Pray indeed, but pray not only to receive a blinding lightening shot of metaphysical love; pray that people's ideologies, religious and political, don't get in the way of you, me, and everyone else on this list treating humanity with respect and dignity.

    And y'all, it's not a political group or religious sect that shot a museum security guard; it was a foolish old man. Do we believe he hoped his actions would shed light on his cause? Or was he only so eaten up with hate, selfishness, and LACKS OF PURPOSE AND AWARENESS that he could imagine no other good in his life than to cast his hate about with malice?

    We commenters, bloggers, and citizens would do well to look at our own motivations for shedding blame on each other, but this conversation is insightful and good – we continue to debate the source of our divisions.

    By the way NJ, didn't I see you "hatin on" a feline democrat's cock while you told Wiscon you were just running to the store? Bad troll.

    June 11, 2009 at 5:41 pm |
  29. NJ

    ERIC B "Personally I hope he pulls through and LIVES everyday he has left in PAIN and AGONY.. death for him is the easy way out."

    OOOOO! WE like you Eric. What a beautiful and eloquent sentiment. Do you know "history repeats"? We like IT too.

    June 11, 2009 at 5:40 pm |
  30. history repeats


    stalin was not LEFT! stalin was a bolshevik, bolsheviks were right wingers!! let me explain AGAIN. right wing is an ABSOLUTE VIEW! thats why ALL RELIGIOUS people are considered right wing because they KNOW the truth and will not compromise! military is RIGHT wing because they follow orders no matter what! left is the group that adapts and changes views based on information. they negotiate. they believe in education. the right wing believes they have no time for that nonsense they need to focus on protecting themselves. its BLACK and WHITE with right wing. stalin would kill any opposition HE WAS RIGHT WING. socialism is not LEFT WING when it becomes forced at gunpoint! people just dont bother reading anymore.

    June 11, 2009 at 5:37 pm |
  31. NJ

    history repeats: I am giving you a HUG! IN ALL CAPS BECAUSE IT'S THAT IMPORTANT.

    I don't know who you are, or where you are from, but you and your pent up anger have found a place in my heart. When you make it to the Sheol I have a special job for you. My personal cookie baker. I am going to HUG you sooooooooo much it's going to be hard for you to properly pull burning hot cookies from the oven, cause my tentacle arms will be wrapped around you, sucking your very hateful essence.

    We'll have fun!

    June 11, 2009 at 5:35 pm |
  32. history repeats


    i think you are talking more about "ego" than party affiliation there. but i totally agree. conservatives are complete hypocrites. everybody is truly a liberal. the problem with the right-wing is that they have absolutist views....that is until something happens to them. a church goer will protest abortion clinics until she has a one night stand and gets pregnant. THATS when the right winger starts being honest with themselves. it usually doesnt last long though. liberals will adapt more. im not talking about all of them im just saying, in general. i believe liberals have more room to grow. i mean conservatives(at least todays conservatives) think they know the reason for life and why we are all here so why would they bother trying to learn more?

    June 11, 2009 at 5:31 pm |
  33. Jason Maris

    I think Jesus would be disappointed with all of you!! Why can't you people simply put aside your minute differences, which are mostly semantic or based on individual tastes and upbringing and collectively realize that what's important here is the loss of life, and how there wasn't nearly enough of it...

    June 11, 2009 at 5:28 pm |
  34. Eric B

    wow I can't believe after reading some of the threads here that some of you are using this situation to promote a political agenda. We have a man with an 11 yr old son DEAD at the hands of a man he opened the door for. And some of you are blaming the Obama administration for it? Even if you don't like nor support the president what does that have to do with this shooting? Then again there are some that don't even know what right wing nor left wing idealogy is. Too busy pointing fingers at each other. Tell you what if this gets a whole lot of play on right wing talk show radio, then it is a left wing idealogy and if Kieth and Rachel and Ed talk more about it on their shows then it's a right wing idealogy. Simple as that.

    And lastly for those of you hoping this shooter dies or say pull the plug on him, that could be the WORST thing that could happen other than the poor guard dying because then these hate-monger groups will have themselves a martyr. Personally I hope he pulls through and LIVES everyday he has left in PAIN and AGONY.. death for him is the easy way out.

    June 11, 2009 at 5:27 pm |
  35. Disgusted

    the villification of 'lone wolf' is a serious threat to liberty.

    this means you need others to vouch for you or you are guilty before proven innocent. this does not place innocence within grasp of individual, individual is dependent on external sources for basic rights.

    June 11, 2009 at 5:16 pm |
  36. history repeats


    because the left does not agree with what israel has been doing does not mean they are anti-semites you moron. the whole situation of israel is a little shaky how can we support one side 100% with no questions asked. its almost blasphemous to question the state of israel. i think thats wrong. anti-semitism is hating jews. do you know how to read? ok then go read a book and figure things out BEFORE you start posting!

    June 11, 2009 at 5:14 pm |
  37. SN in MN

    This was tragic, but within a few blocks on that day there were probably a couple of murders, a few rapes and countless robberies and assaults. This was an isolated incident by a cranky old man. We should be looking into and solving the violent chaos that goes on day after day in D.C.'s ghettos.

    June 11, 2009 at 5:08 pm |
  38. Zalgo

    I was just wondering where the data was for the UNCOUNTED crimes that are blacks on whites?

    If you want a deeper understanding of whether this actually exists just take your average white man and have him try to walk down the street in Cabrini Greens or Stockton or anywhere in Oakland, North Las Vegas Nevada, SE Portland OR, Watts, Queens, just about anywhere in Chicago- basically anywhere "gangbangers" congregate.

    I know its not fair to call racially motivated crimes by blacks on whites as hate-based or "Domestic Terrorism" because, apparently, only whites can be racist.

    I'm probably going to be labeled a racist just for this post.

    June 11, 2009 at 5:05 pm |
  39. Albert L Mole II


    I am in yuma Arizona and I am also 1/2 german on my Mother's side of the family. I understand the misguided demented white supremacy neo-nazi groups going after blacks, espanics and other non white groups...

    But there is 1 Question neither of these groups have a answer to,
    The hollicost was durning world war II. " WHY call it a hoax or say it never happened when the survivors of that time are tattooed marked live with those memories "
    By saying it did not happen or the attacks comments just anker it deeper into the people's minds. Here is a simple solution to these groups, " If you are so unhappy with the USA. why not create your own narrow minded country and LEAVE..." Th day our for father's came here to this country, some had taken locals as wives bed partners or taken land that did not belong to them.....

    FOOD FOR THOUGHT before opening your mouth

    Mr. Mole

    June 11, 2009 at 4:51 pm |
  40. Bman

    Ray, Yes I am drawing a direct line to this outragous incident and Churchgoers, If you support your local church you are supporting terrorism. I'll go farther I suggest that people stop attending their local church, or better yet form a picket line around it.

    Ralph, Yes, Democrats who go to church are also supporting terrorism.

    June 11, 2009 at 4:45 pm |
  41. history repeats


    MY GOD MUSLIM EXTREMISTS ARE RIGHT WING!! they just arent CHRISTIAN right wing!! wake up!! you right-wingers are the CAUSE of the violence you cannot blame us. learn what right-wing is. just because its a muslim doesnt mean its left wing. what is wrong with ALL of you!?

    June 11, 2009 at 4:44 pm |
  42. Bubba

    Please get it right people: Hitler was way right, Stalin was way left. We don't ever want to go that far in either direction. Saying Hitler was a leftist or that Communists are Republican is crazy talk.

    June 11, 2009 at 4:42 pm |
  43. history repeats

    Peace is Still

    cant we love without GOD? maybe kids should be brought up with the thought that LOVE comes from them and not god and maybe it would be easier for them to do! how can you say that love doesnt come from HUMANS and then say we should all love??

    June 11, 2009 at 4:42 pm |
  44. history repeats


    my god your analogies are HORRIBLE. how is the left wing like iran or the taliban?? because a gay judge didnt like the miss USA's statement about gay marriage? god you right-wingers really reach when you try and put down the left. your not even close! right-wingers ARE KILLING PEOPLE!!! HELLLLLOOOOO!?!? ANYBODY HOME?!?!

    June 11, 2009 at 4:39 pm |
  45. history repeats


    o my god only people like you would think SOCIALISM is NOT right wing. SOCIALISM is a form of economics it has nothing to do with right or left wing. RIGHT WING is an absolutist view. LEFT WING is a relative view. hitler's view on jews and the german people were ABSOLUTE. it was his way or the highway. he was uncompromising. the nazis were RIGHT WING! if you dont know that then you need to sit in a library for a few weeks. and SOCIALISM is not communism. SOCIALISM is the same system that pays for the post office, public parks, policemen, fireman, libraries etc... you live in a socialistic society and you dont even know it. because you dont care about whats real and whats not real you care about what fox news wants you to care about.

    June 11, 2009 at 4:36 pm |
  46. Mark L.

    Tony, if I may correct you...Hitler was not a socialist, but rather a FACIST dictator...There is a difference...

    June 11, 2009 at 4:35 pm |
  47. history repeats


    are the left wings blowing up animal research centers? even if they were though it would defintely be a "conservative" that would try and compare that to a white supremisit killing a security guard or a religious nutjob killing an abortion doctor or a muslim shooting a recruitment soldier.....yes the muslim that shot up the soldier is RIGHT people dont understand that you are just like the taliban and if you could you would re-create america as a theocracy.....i guess you couldnt think of anything actually damaging to society that the left wing does so you come up with "blowing up animal testing facilities" if thats the best you can do then YES we can lump all the hate-groups WITH the right wing and WITH the SO CALLED conservatives!

    June 11, 2009 at 4:30 pm |
  48. victor

    Gayle!! Hitler was a Socialist???? This is a total misreading of history. He was a fascist. What's more, fascism is diametrically opposed to communism; they're at the opposite ends of the political spectrum. Yes, the name of Hitler's party was the National Socialist Party; however, Hitler was profoundly anti-socialist/communist. In fact, in his efforts to eradicate the communists from his midst, he endeavored to construct socialism as a Jewish plot/conspiracy since Marx was a Jew. And in France, the Communist Party was profoundly anti-Hitler. Next you'll be telling me that Stalin was a communist.

    June 11, 2009 at 4:30 pm |
  49. history repeats


    ARE YOU KIDDING!>?!? the "great white men" that helped build this nation?! please tell me you are not that ignorant. are you equating ANY of the men that revolted against the british to this piece of WHITE TRASH that attacked the holocaust museum?? these "repercussions" are being done by COWARDS! im sure this scumbacg thought he would kill a bunch of jewish people but he didnt expect the security guards to be packing. these pathetic individuals (including the muslim that shot the soldier) are weak minded FOOLS that attack unsuspecting innocent, unarmed people. you see its these SAME idiots that are advocated the 2nd ammendment and are so scared that their guns will be taken away that are shooting at unarmed people like the cowards THEY ALL ARE!!! thomas jefferson was one our greatest founders and he was a liberal that was against a standing army. he was an atheist. he was nothing like this pathetic old man and i am 100% sure he was nothing like you either! god you people are just OUT OF YOUR MINDS!

    June 11, 2009 at 4:25 pm |
  50. tony

    First of all, Marge, he’s not a ‘Right Wing’ extremist! He followed Hitler’s ideations and Hitler was a SOCIALIST, just like your beloved Obama! Get your facts straight

    Gayl.... all you've demonstrated is that the word "socialist" is now officially meaningless.

    June 11, 2009 at 4:24 pm |
  51. history repeats

    Ramesses II

    you know what man i dont care what war you were in and i dont care how much you say "i dont condone this type of violence, BUT..." its that BUT that shows what you really mean. you might not go around shooting people but that fact that you think its the illegal immigrants fault that people are arming themselves and shooting other AMERICANS...let me say again A M E R I C A N S, it shows your ignorance. your indifference and your acceptance of this ANTI-AMERICAN behavior. the statue of liberty didnt just open its arms to people BORN on american soil. if that was the case you wouldnt LIVE HERE!!! you miss the message and the fact that you were in the military should prove that just because somebody was in the army does not mean they have any more credibilty then any other citizen.

    June 11, 2009 at 4:18 pm |
  52. Jack

    For those comments regarding the NRA arming this man.

    Without a doubt this man violated at least two and probably more existing gun laws. He is a convicted felon that served time and is forbade from owning a weapon. He has undergone psychological testing and in all likelihood was determined to be a threat.

    So, in spite of laws, he has a gun. Probably obtained through illegal means such as bought off the street corner from another felon that stole it during a gun store robbery or home robbery. Had he undergone the FBI background check before buying the gun he would not have been granted ownership because of his conviction, We would never know he was a "nut case" because the "progressive" sector has determined his "medical and psychological" history privacy is more important than making sure a nut doesn't buy a gun.

    The bottomline is that unless you enforce existing laws making new ones will make no difference. Understanding that the safety of the "many" is more important than the "privacy" of the nut case is another needed improvement.

    The gun was just a tool that a psychologically and mentally ill man used to commit a crime. Now let's go find out where he got the gun and arrest those responsible and charge them with accessory to murder and put them in jail. Then let's fight the ACLU and get FBI access to an individual's health history so we can stop nuts like this guy and the young man a Virginia Tech from buying/obtaining guns.

    Not more law, just enforce the one's we have.

    June 11, 2009 at 4:17 pm |
  53. Peace is Still

    I just wanted to make one correction in my previous remarks:

    Hate is evil, so evil is the action word of hate.

    June 11, 2009 at 4:13 pm |
  54. Peace is Still

    We must pray for the family of the security officer. We must also pray for the people who are hating. Hate is evil, so evil the action word of hate.

    Please, if you know someone who is hating; ask God to reveal to you how to erase the hate in love. Love is the only thing that will erase the hate. Trust, this may sound elementary to some, but love is a command from God. Love, Love, and Love.

    June 11, 2009 at 4:08 pm |
  55. JTA

    Sadly we live in a free society which brings with it all the wonderful things it does as well as all the terrible things it does. We are all free to go about our personal business, speak our minds (here for instance), be secure in our possessions, etc. etc. Those same freedoms however also allow people to engage in hateful speech and activities, they allow "known criminals" the protection of law which occasionally allows them to continue their criminal activities.

    The only way to "stop" these random shootings and acts of violence, as well as hate speech and other negative elements of human nature, is to begin to control our free society. I personally don't want that. I don't want my personal freedoms limited in the name of security. I would much rather be free to do, think and speak as I do and risk being killed than to live "safe" but completely "clamped down" by a police state as they have in North Korea or other fascist or totalitarian countries.

    The more free we are, the more "at risk" we are. The less free we are, the less at risk we are. To paraphrase what Benjamin Franklin once said, Those who sacrifice liberty for security deserve neither. The one "true answer" lies in doing our personal best to not hate, to not blame. First comes the blame, then comes the hate, then comes the violence. We may never "fix" the dark sides of human nature, but we can make efforts to do our best. And if most people are doing their best our society will be safer eventually without losing any freedoms.

    June 11, 2009 at 3:58 pm |
  56. NJ

    "The real threat is the massive slaughter brought on by failed liberal policies over the past 50 years, not some wacked out loser like this guy."

    Amen brother, that Bush was a total liberal warmonger! Good riddance! I remember all the people who died under that right-wing sh*tbag Clinton.

    Thanks for spittin the truth about the inner city, dawg! One day we'll crawl our way back to power.

    God, I love to hate!

    June 11, 2009 at 3:51 pm |
  57. Mike

    Lets watch the liberal media get in an uproar over one homicide which, while a tragedy, represents the death toll on a slow weeknight in every heavily democrat, overwhelmingly Obama supporting, inner city in this nation.

    Perspective, people. The real threat is the massive slaughter brought on by failed liberal policies over the past 50 years, not some wacked out loser like this guy.

    June 11, 2009 at 3:37 pm |
  58. Martin

    This man was no "LONE WOLF"! Stop with the Guilt & Shame. It's time to look in the MIRROR! Kiran for one continued to report on the new President as Barak Obama for weeks instead of Mr. President, the President, or even President Obama. Something just wouldn't let her do it. What was that about? How many hits did this guy's website get? Who published his book? Why are so-called good men like John McCain so quiet? I just wish the Right Wing would relinquish this so-called relationship with God. Your rhetoric and your actions leave much to ponder. There's nothing God-like about extreme Republican views at this point. Most American terrorist look just like this guy! Young or old they all seem to have the same "M.O." Just in case you didn't know it Kiran, there are still people alive today who participated in Lynchings. So NAIVE!

    June 11, 2009 at 3:32 pm |
  59. Mark Smith

    a few thoughts. Mark L., as much as holocost denial is dangerious and painful my answer to your question is NEVER. One of the things I think the europeons got wrong is the idea the personal liberty belongs to the government to dole out, rather than to the people to keep. Part of what makes America great is that we can freely discuss anything, without fear of arrest or supression. The price of holocaust denail should be the resounding ridicule of the masses, and nothing more.

    I hate, as a liberal dem, to get all NRA on you folks, but I agree with some other posters, the answer to defending against these lone killers is shoot first. So folks, get a permit, get a gun and PRACTICE (it would be a shame to go to prison over a wild shot). What do we do when a lone hate monger opens fire? Shoot him.

    June 11, 2009 at 3:30 pm |
  60. Nick

    History Repeats----both parties are one and the same, knocking the beach ball back and forth, the old divide and conquer

    Fact is, Limbaugh is a liberal through and through, all politicians are and most people are in the personal lives. This tendency to lie about who and what we are stems from the internal calculation of being admired by others for having the Morale High road.

    June 11, 2009 at 3:18 pm |
  61. Hollywood

    I do hope all hate crime criminals be charged as terrorist, in fact they create more terror than religious terrorists caused they live near us every day!!!

    June 11, 2009 at 3:12 pm |
  62. Neilz

    This man is not a lone wolf. His actions have been given the tacit approval of white Christian America for decades. Brunn and Roeder, these are the faces of white Christian America.

    June 11, 2009 at 3:11 pm |
  63. David

    Lone wolf my ass, there are hundreds of thousands of these nut cases out there being fueled by the likes of Rush, Hanity, Oreilly, Fox in general, etc. Two in a week, probably more of these right wing republican nuts to come, good job Bush, Rove, Cheney etc. for setting this train on the tracks.

    June 11, 2009 at 3:09 pm |
  64. Old man in NY (upstate)

    I see lots of talk about this person possessing a gun and saying we need more laws. Does anyone seriously think he would pay any attention to "more laws" He was/is a criminal. He has many friends that could and probably did supply his firearms.
    Then there are those that say the guard had a gun and it didn't help him to be armed. Unfortunately for him, he wasn't expecting an old geezer that he opened the door for to pull a gun and shoot him. BUT having a gun allowed the remaining guards to stop the perp from doing any further damage to other persons.
    Armed guards and persons with concealed weapons permits undergo a lot of training and under most circumstances are a definite advantage in the protection to life and limb.

    June 11, 2009 at 3:05 pm |
  65. Matthew

    Someone answer me this: Why is this 88-year old white supremacist being kept alive in a medical facility? You think he can be rehabilitated through incarceration? You think he has a viable defense? Is he insane? Can he get off the hook?


    Pull the plug and rid the world of this pure unadulterated evil.

    June 11, 2009 at 3:00 pm |
  66. Kasado

    A hate filled armed man with radical ideology walks into a building that he believes represents an opposing radical (accepted) ideology and kills one of its armed believers (thought innocent). Why is this incident called murder, but if done on a large scale it is called politically sanctioned war?

    June 11, 2009 at 2:56 pm |
  67. Ken, Centreville

    The "lone wolf" is certainly a difficult threat to counter. But it's particularly difficult to deal with when it's easy for convicted felons or those with mental disorders serious enough to require hospitalization (VA Tech) to get their hands on weapons and ammunition. A simple intervention at the time of the weapons purchases might have prevented the VA Tech tragedy. It might have been more difficult to keep guns away from von Brunn, given who he likely associated with. But, perhaps someone should be looking into when and how he acquired his weapon(s). That person or persons are an accessory.

    June 11, 2009 at 2:45 pm |
  68. ray

    I don't totaly understand why the anti-semite is considered a Right-wing extremist. Isn't he just an anti-semite extremist?

    Same for the abortion doctor killer? Being against late term abortions isn't just right wing, but also many moderate and left wing people who support woman's right to choose also support a ban on late term abortions.

    Why isn't this killer just labeled an anti-abortion extremist? Does it really matter if some nutty organizations voice misguided approval?

    What is the measuring stick for labeling someone right wing or left wing?

    If religion or idealogy is the measuring stick, then why aren't muslim terrorists labeled Right wing extremists?

    And would a left wing extremist be someone who has no ideology or religious belief?

    Isn't a terrorist or a fanatic just an individual extremist?

    June 11, 2009 at 2:38 pm |

    all of you who rank us as right wing radicals should just look in your
    own backyards ,rev wright hates the jews who my guess is about 98% white( mellissa) ,so i guess all of you hate us too ,when did we stop being americans This guy is no different than anyone else when it comes to i guess that black muslum who killed in arkansas is a democrat left wing or right wing and hates white people also!!! stop this nonsense it complete insanity.
    we can make this into anything we want it to be ... but to blame republicans shows more ignorance and injustice for all of us.

    June 11, 2009 at 2:38 pm |
  70. Gayl

    First of all, Marge, he's not a 'Right Wing' extremist! He followed Hitler's ideations and Hitler was a SOCIALIST, just like your beloved Obama! Get your facts straight!

    Where was the outrage, action, flag at half staff, and media coverage when Abdulhakim Mujahid Muhammad (a black muslim extremist) shot William Long (a white American soldier)?! Apparently it's only considered a hate crime, or racist, for a white supremacist to shoot a black security guard! A hate crime is a hate crime and they should be treated with the same outrage and recourse regardless of who did the crime!

    You people on the left aught to be ashamed of what you've done to this country, and when you meet God, I hope He tells you the same thing!!

    June 11, 2009 at 2:37 pm |
  71. Vic of New York

    "'Lone Wolf' Most difficult threat to fight"? - This is the impression that many on the Right would like for America to "buy" into.

    The truth is that these "lone wolfs" are like caged lions taunted and fed red meat by the Right-Wing extremist media and hate mongering right-wing organizations.

    June 11, 2009 at 2:36 pm |
  72. Paul M Smith

    To Mark L. I agree with you whole heartedly

    June 11, 2009 at 2:35 pm |
  73. donttreadonme

    Ask yourself does everyone who, protested the War/Gitmo, called the US torturers or spoke out against Israel in favor of the Palestinians have Pvt. Andrews blood on their hands???

    And the other Black Muslims who planned to blow up synagogues and use Stinger missiles to bring down military planes in NY are NOT Republicans my friends.

    Nor is Rev Wright.

    Read some the liberal posts and there is a lot of hate against Israel.
    Are CNN, MSNBC, Huffington and even Obama all responsible???

    It is crazy to politicize this kind of tragedy.

    June 11, 2009 at 2:18 pm |
  74. donttreadonme

    Ask yourself does everyone who protested the War/Gitmo, called the US torturers or spoke out against Israel in favor of the Palestinians have Pvt. Andrews blood on their hands???

    And the other Black Muslims who planned to blow up synagogues and use Stinger missiles to bring down military planes in NY are NOT Republicans my friends.

    Nor is Rev Wright.

    Read some the liberal posts and there is a lot of hate against Israel and our Military.
    Are CNN, MSNBC, Huffington and even Obama all responsible???

    It is crazy to politicize this kind of tragedy.

    June 11, 2009 at 2:17 pm |
  75. Greep

    "As to left wing hate groups, they were out for Carrie Prejean’s scalp for a politically correct answer to a loaded question."

    I beg to differ. First of all, I don't know anyone who bothered to "hate" this idiot Prejean. She's pathetic.

    Secondly, this should be blindingly obvious. NO ONE SHOT A GUN AT HER! Idiot.

    Trying to draw some moral equivalence between some pathetic clown of a beauty contestant losing her job because she would not show up to work, and the murder of two innocent people by right wing domestic terrorists is exactly the kind of sillyness that makes people like me laugh at the right.

    It ain't the same thing, with all due respect. Prejean and two people murdered is not a moral equivalence.

    I'm surprised I have to explain this, but then again, we are taking about right wingers who still probly think Iraq had WMD and Nixon was innocent.

    June 11, 2009 at 2:10 pm |
  76. Mark L.

    Assuming 88-Year Old James Von Brunn is brought to trial and convicted on the most severe of federal murder charges, I do NOT agree that he should be sentenced to death...NO !! Not at all...Instead, I believe they should send this piece of 'human feces' to Auschwitz in Poland and let him live out his remaining days under the same set of circumstances and conditions that many of my deceased family members, may they all rest in eternal, heavenly peace, had to endure while they were being tortured and annihilated under the facist dictatorship of the most EVIL third reich.

    That's correct – I am a PROUD AMERICAN-BORN JEW and a second generation member to two survivors of the Holocaust. When is the USA going to adopt the same law as is currently established across most, if not all, European nations – Making it a severe criminal offense to deny the Holocaust? You have to be completely BLIND and INSANE to deny what happened under the most EVIL third reich !!

    June 11, 2009 at 2:08 pm |
  77. Ian

    No David...i was not using black muslim in Ark as straw man....just pointing out that both he and this white nutcase should both be executed....and quickly. No double standard. But the press buries the lead when the killer is a black muslim while I will need to see this Holocaust murderer on my TV for the next week.
    Glad to see how open-minded you are....I post a comment that you disagree with and you immeditely think the FBI should start tapping my phone.....typical liberal free as long as you agree with it.

    June 11, 2009 at 2:04 pm |
  78. Brian

    All of you people are disgusting! Left blaming right – right blaming left...
    There is NO CONSPIRACY here!!!! A deranged Idiot decided to get everyone upset by commiting a crime – and he did. End of story.
    "Build a bridge – and GET OVER IT." The longer we talk about it and mull it over and fight about it – the more idiots like him will be apt to try the same thing.

    Lets start moving forward rather than back.
    Dont give this any more press. Its not worth making him a celebrity.

    June 11, 2009 at 1:58 pm |
  79. Paul

    This 'lone wolf' talk is horribly misleading. This violence is systematic. This is terrorism and it's absolutely despicable that CNN is too racist to call it that (yeah, white people are terrorists too).

    I say we waterboard the leaders of Operation Rescue and any White Supremacist group to get to the bottom of this.

    June 11, 2009 at 1:57 pm |
  80. Paul M Smith

    I am a U.S. Army soldier veteran to Operation Enduring Freedom and a 30year old man that has been hard at work since I was 17 years old. This killer of security gaurds is not only a sorry sack but an example of an animal that despite his training of 88years still lacks the ability to be a grown man and hold the responsibility to be a grown human being among our people. He should be judged for his actions formally and then discarded. Understand ladies and gentilman that a Lone Wolf is of course a metaphore. These lone wolfs have a lot of time on thier hands to stew about thier grievenses. They dont have the ability to fly fish or enjoy something spiritually uplifting and probably lack the heart required to enjoy raising thier children and fixing thier wives car. A lone wolf is not a wolf, real wolves are in packs and are not racist they dont run off cliffs when they are depressed. Lone wolfs are not men, they are not women, they are accidents caused by the overall nature of humanity. We must seek them out and judge them and seek a punishment for them that will benefit us all.

    It is a simple thing to kill another. Its not an action that requires and skill. Children do it by accident without firearms. Dont overthink this
    to do so will add to complacentcy

    June 11, 2009 at 1:52 pm |
  81. NJ

    wiscon: you sound like a center-wing nut job to me. wait, or right-wing nut job, or left-wing nut job.

    either way wtf does "wiscon" mean? Is that a diminutive for "Wisconsin"?

    Dude, sorry. I don't mean to take it out on you. I've had a long day and all I want when I get home from work is a hot dinner and a clean house. Is that too much to ask? Listen if you don't want to be married to me then maybe we should think about a trial separation. You're just not the same "wiscon" that I fell in love with at the tender age of 32.

    I miss us.

    June 11, 2009 at 1:51 pm |
  82. Paul

    A simple, honest question here that I've been curious about for a while.
    This man obviously committed murder. It will be extremely easy to prove and (being naive here) it should take no more than an hour for the trial & conviction. Assuming justice is done (sorry being naive again), this man will at least get life in prison and hopefully the electric chair.
    So my question is ... what additional legal penalty does charging this man with a hate-crime impose? Will he get a more severe penaly? If not ... why bother? Don't get me wrong, I'm not against charging him with such (unless it means additional tax-payer money), but other than making a blatantly self-evident political statement ("this man hated the XYZ race and thus committed murder") ... what is the beneficial purpose of "hate crime" legislation?

    June 11, 2009 at 1:33 pm |
  83. NJ

    Corey, of course we're judging her attractiveness. That's what humans do. We copulate, kill and eat.

    We're not so evolved, man. Simians looking to pass on life. Pretty simple.

    ooo-ooo-ahhh-ahhhh. (<-- ape noises)

    June 11, 2009 at 1:32 pm |
  84. wiscon

    sounds like a left-wing nut job to me.

    June 11, 2009 at 1:32 pm |
  85. jay

    townsend you are a total hack, you have no idea wht you are talking about, its simple.

    he was a felon he should not have had a gun, end of sentence.. simple as that, just because your agency can't do its job stop with the whole "this is harder than it seems" routine. you didn't do your job. simple as that. admit mistake and deal with it, you knew if this guy but did nothing.

    June 11, 2009 at 1:30 pm |
  86. tony

    Is it fair to blame mainstream conservatism for the action of this guy? No, the far right is something different from conservatism. On the other hand, as a political tactic, conservatives have been striving to blur/obliterate the distinction between liberal and far left for years. For example, in "Ann Coulter World" the Clintons, Barack Obama, Leon Trotsky, Ramsey Clark, Matt Lauer, and Karl Marx are all part of a cabal known as (cue the scary music) THE LEFT. Or, recall the ignorant rhetoric about Marxism during the 08 campaign– mindlessly repeated by an army of folks who had never read of word of Marx (or much of anything for that matter).
    As tempting as it is to respond in kind, maybe this is an occasion where we could elevate the debate.

    June 11, 2009 at 1:24 pm |
  87. Denine

    For all of you people who think that because right-wingers support Israel, they can't be anti-semitic, think again. Fundamentalist Christians are right-wing and support Israel, but only for their own benefit. One word – Apocalyse. They have to befriend Israel, or God will destroy them, according to the book of Revelation, which they take literally. This is the spark that ignited Zionism. But, you will be hard-pressed to find a group of people more anti-semitic than right-wing fundamentalist Christians. Jew-jokes fly around in these churches as much as Bible quotes. They openly mock Rabbis from their pulpits and are never open to discussion with any of their Jewish counterparts. Apparently, they missed the Bible verse that says "God looketh on the heart". Surely God will see their fake exterior and the true hatred in their hearts.

    June 11, 2009 at 1:21 pm |
  88. Fred

    test comment. the left already won everything and are in control, why are they still so upset? Jealousy can be a powerful emotion.

    Now will see if this opion that is different than that of the media will be posted.

    Hello moderator 🙂

    June 11, 2009 at 1:15 pm |
  89. Ted

    I wrote to CNN yesterday about the sort of comments they are receiving on these sorts of articles. The acts of these sad criminals in the past week are not representative of the left or right, but somehow they are generating even more hate. We simply have to stop saying and believing that people who essentially differ on one thing – whether government is the problem or the answer – are somehow morally inferior. We all need to stand together against anyone. As to the poster who thinks conservatives are rejoicing in this, that's as absurd as saying the Rev. Wright would also be rejoicing based on his comments yesterday.

    June 11, 2009 at 1:14 pm |
  90. GetaClue

    You Democrats crack me up. If this guy is a Right Winger, then so is Obama's preacher, Rev. Wright; anyone that thinks 911 was a inside job; anyone that blames Corporate America for the problems we have now, etc.

    Wright said he can't talk to Obama because the Jew's would not let him. von Brunn blames the Jews for stupid things as well, but also hated both Bushes, blamed corporate America for all the financial problems he was having. He blamed Bush for 911 and said it was a inside job. What party does that sound like?

    If you guys would actually open your eyes and stop being the little sheep that you are. You would see that you're being lied to.

    I know that it's sick to read the thoughts of von Brunn, it personally makes sick to my stomach. have to read them for yourself because you'll never get the true answer unti you do.

    If anything von Brunn had Democrat views.

    June 11, 2009 at 1:08 pm |
  91. Rick

    Unbelievable. The "conservatives" are so anxious to not be grouped with these killers that almost any argument will do. Comparing murder to Carrie Prejean losing her crown...that's a sure winner for getting back the likes of my parents who voted Dem for the first time ever.

    O'Reilly covers Dr. Tiller, riling up the base until he gets assassinated, Limbaugh calls our President "a threat" and a traitor, and noone on the right says that these "Voices of Conservatism" ever go to far. Vinnie, here on this thread says it's not fair to associate his conservatism with murders while telling someone with whom he disagrees to "take a long walk off a short pier." That's discourse on The Right, if you don't agree with them you are either a traitor or "fair game." It's called terrorism folks, and it's hateful and criminal and destroying our country from within.

    June 11, 2009 at 1:08 pm |
  92. michael

    88 years of being filled with hate. 88 years of loss to the experience and freedom of love. He is free now, – if he passes on, does not sound like a fellow who has learned very much. Sad. So much energy is devoted to the corralling of the knowledge and whereabouts and activities of people predisposed as he has been. Such a waste of time and money. Does hate solve anything? Has it brought joy?
    Forget the pundits and their voices, for theirs is a province insured by the attendance of any of us to any of them. They depend upon our attentions in order to continue to have a job. Disregard them as they do not come from a place of love or healing. Let it go, as even in these blogs so many are still attacking each other, effectively keeping the simmering going. Live and let live. life is obviously way too short.
    'There will be peace on earth when people love their children more than they hate each other', & ' There will be good will towards man when man wills good'.

    June 11, 2009 at 1:05 pm |
  93. John

    These hate groups have similar beliefs when it comes to the Constitution as the Ultra Constitutionalist of Limbough, O'Riley, and Pat Roberts, or Sam Brownback. Don't mistake my words. The hate groups like this 88 year old is a member of are not the same as Roberts, and Limbough and the likes. Just simply, they share the ideas of sovereignty and low level federal control over states'. Still, Limbough, O'Riley, Roberts benefit from stirring the pot because they know that is where the wackos live and reside in their social clubs and the more they get them to "go postal", the more they can blame the Federal Government is the root of all evil. Don't forget, Regan was in office when several domestic terrorist groups announced their existence. Nazi's, KKK, Posse Com, and Operation Rescue could care less if you are Republican or Democrat. They all want one thing. To be the boss and supreme ruler over the masses. Women will be in their 17th century roles, children will work 16 hours in poor environments, and men not living their lives as the leaders believe will be sent to labor camps or worse.

    June 11, 2009 at 1:04 pm |
  94. cal

    As for the right and left debate, he is really neither. Not as far as the American political system is concerned, although both will be pointing fingers. Hate is hate, period. It doesn't matter if you hate white anglo saxon protestants or blacks and jews. It is all the same. Both republicans and democrats think this guy was a member of the opposite party. Hate and polotics meet at extemism and most democrats and republicans do not believe in extremism.

    June 11, 2009 at 1:02 pm |
  95. sharon

    Mike above.... perfect comments. Perhaps the Presidents Jew hating background and his rhetoric about the jews is not helpful... He should learn to tone it down a tad... The sick loser that shot the guy was a Democrat.

    June 11, 2009 at 1:02 pm |
  96. Chris

    It strikes me that this is neither an attack by a right-wing extremist or a lone wolf. This is an attack based on the cold, hardened heart of someone who never learned that most important of lines that our constitution makes so clear... "All men are created equal..."

    Maybe not equal in ability or intelligence, but equal in their rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.

    Both sides screaming that this attack is somehow the symbol of something more than a cold-blooded murderer. We do not attach political parties to someone who knocks over a gas station. Neither should we in this case. Not because the politics don't matter - they do. But to suggest this man is somehow representative of some group is blatantly wrong.

    He is a white-supremacist, but those are his views, not the views of all right-wingers. Just as many Muslims want only to live in peace and earn their livings, but are shouldered with somehow being affiliated with Osama Bin Laden.

    This act, gruesome and disgusting as it is, is not an act by someone who represents anyone but himself. An old racist bastard who took from us a fellow countryman.

    Instead of worrying so much about the murderer, let us instead send out our grief at the tragic loss of one our own– the guard who gave his life. Let us honor him, instead of splashing the murderer's name across the country. Let the nation bow their heads in remembrance for the man who gave his life in the line of duty. Let us honor our American hero. Let his murderer's name die into the unknown.

    June 11, 2009 at 1:01 pm |
  97. sharon

    Too bad all the leftists followers don't understand that hatred is owned on the left...... The left starts it, thrives on it, owns it.

    June 11, 2009 at 1:00 pm |
  98. Scott

    A "white separatist" named John de Nugent is quoted saying that acts like the museum shooting make his types of groups "look bad."

    How does being part of a backwards-thinking, hate-driven movement not already make you "look bad?"

    June 11, 2009 at 1:00 pm |
  99. bobbyg

    In reference to the shooting at the Holocaust Museum I have not heard where any one has said if the shooter had the rifle concealed or in the open as he approached the museum, only that the shooter raised the rifle as the security guard opened the door. I would find it hard to believe that a guard would let anyone approach the museum with a rifle visible to everyone, however, there is no commentary that the rifle was hidden. Does anyone know?

    June 11, 2009 at 12:59 pm |
  100. Richard

    It looks like there's a movement afoot to villify all Republicans. Before you know it, Congress will pass a bill outlawing the multi-party system and making it a criminal offense to refuse membership in the Democratic party. I suppose it's just a short jump from there to nationalizing all industry and farming and issuing five-year plans. That's progress, comrade!

    Obviously stupidity is not confined to one political ideology or another...

    June 11, 2009 at 12:58 pm |
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