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August 14th, 2009
06:10 AM ET

Avlon: Palin, LaRouche stirring the crazy pot

Editor’s note: John P. Avlon is the author of Independent Nation: How Centrists Can Change American Politics and writes a weekly column for The Daily Beast. Previously, he served as Chief Speechwriter for New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and was a columnist and associate editor for The New York Sun.

[cnn-photo-caption image= caption="Lyndon LaRouche (L) and Sarah Palin (R). Photos: Images"]

It’s become the summer of the wingnut. Unhinged eruptions at town halls are becoming standard operating procedure, as forces from the right face off against forces deployed by the left. Politics, it turns out, follows the line of physics: every action creates an equal and opposite reaction.

This week’s wingnuts are stirring the crazy pot with accusations and associations – on the right, former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin makes her debut appearance on the wingnut list with a fanatical Facebook rant and on the left all time wingnut Lyndon LaRouche resurfaces with an ugly new poster of the president as Adolf Hitler that is appearing at town halls.

It's hard to remember that Sarah Palin was unknown one year ago, before being nominated to serve as McCain’s VP in late August 08. Now no longer the Governor of Alaska, she remains a powerful political presence on the right and is considered a likely contender for president in 2012. There have been times when she’s been unfairly attacked in the past, but this past week she jumped the shark in my book, cementing her reputation as one of the most polarizing political figures in America with this fear-fueled outburst on Facebook to her friends and followers:

“The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.”

For sheer fear-mongering that aims at the heart of familial emotions this statement is perhaps unprecedented at the major league level of recent American politics. It should be needless to say that none of the various bills circulating through congress contains a "death panel." The outcry over her statements was so widespread that even partisan Republicans distanced themselves from her comments (in a refreshing bit of candor, Georgia Senator Johnny Isakson said Palin’s statement was “nuts.”) Soon Sarah Palin followed suit offering an apology and calling for more civility in our politics, but that only added insult to this injury.

Just as you can’t retreat to move forward or quit to fight even harder, you can’t wade into a policy debate by saying the president is going to kill your baby at the hands of a death panel and then call for civility.

Yesterday, Palin doubled down on her comments and tried to save some face – though this time avoiding the words “evil” or “death camps” and pointing instead to provisions of a House bill that she says would ration care to what she calls “unproductive” members of society. Her sidestep of those terms is its own commentary, but for those who want additional back-up, you can refer to our friends at, who rated her comments the coveted “Pants-On-Fire” rating. Sarah Palin, you’ve earned your membership in the Wingnut Hall of Fame.

On the left, old-time crazytown conspiracy theorist and quasi-cult leader, Lyndon LaRouche, made a surprise reappearance on the national political scene, earning him entry into the Wingnut Hall of Fame.

Wingnuttery at this summer's town halls has hit epic proportions, with unhinged attacks on President Obama ranging from accusations that he is everything from a communist to a fascist. But when posters began appearing showing President Obama with a Hitler-mustache, bearing the slogan “I’ve Changed,” the outrage was obvious. The source of the posters was not.

Lyndon LaRouche, himself a former communist and several-time fringe presidential candidate exists far off the political grid, but he's been most routinely associated with the left. When his self-styled followers have run for office in the past they have generally run in Democratic primaries. (Although they're probably best known – if at all – as people handing out conspiracy theory pamphlets on street corners and airports.)

The recent uptick in comparisons of the President of the United States to either communist or fascist dictators is just unacceptable. This is not political theater; it demeans our country to associate our democratically elected president with dictators who murdered millions in their names. Lyndon LaRouche is a crank who manages to dupe a few lost individuals every decade. This newest hate-fueled "addition" to American politics is just the latest and hopefully last reason to name Lyndon LaRouche a wingnut: a certified card carrying member of crazy town.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of John Avlon.

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  1. Gloves

    As a Canadian I can't help but wonder WHAT'S WRONG WITH YOU PEOPLE! Universal Health Care should be the first and foremost responsibility of any Governement, looking after its people, the weak, the elderly the young and the less fortunate!
    Health care, Socialism?Communism? The hate and fearmongering has left Canadians fearing for America
    Our system is not perfect but it works, no worries about huge medical debts,bankruptcies, second mortgates ect to pay for medical treatment.
    Whats happened to the so called Greatest country on earth?

    August 15, 2009 at 4:28 am |
  2. Gloves

    What is wrong with you people? If

    August 15, 2009 at 4:13 am |
  3. nancy g

    Palin and LaRouche are not worth reporting on, but they somehow capture the limelight. I think discussion and disagreement are good.
    What is disheartening is how dumb some of it is. By the way, Liberal and conservative (how tiresome the labels are) are not synonymous with wingnuts...however, I'd hardly classify a true blue liberal like Chris Matthews as a wingnut–he's just a little over-enthused sometimes.
    Besides dumb, some of it is just plain ignorant–like Palin, like Limbaugh, like Michael Steel, like Beck, like Hannity, like Coulter. Some of it is just plain politics–like John Baynor now not liking consult on end of life wishes now, but did before he could capitalize on criticizing health care for Republican crazies. Some of it is just foot in mouth, like Nancy Pelosi & the "unamerican" comment. Then there's Murtha, a Democrat, who doesn't care if Healthcare Reform doesn't get done till January–probably so he has more time to slip in his pet projects. And one doesn't have to wonder with this cast of characters why people are cynical about the politicians and the news.

    August 15, 2009 at 2:59 am |
  4. Andy A

    What is really depressing about Palin’s comments are that they are working! They are talking about getting rid of paying doctors to talk to their patients about end of life care. (That is what Sarah Palin is calling “death panels”.) This nation really needs to talk about how we should handle end of life care, because it is not only expensive, it is also often contrary to the will of the patient. When we need serious discussion, all the right wing nutcases are doing is fear-mongering.

    August 15, 2009 at 2:54 am |
  5. Md SD

    Larouchies again!

    Opportunistic political blowflies with a nose for civil unrest.

    August 15, 2009 at 1:19 am |
  6. Thom

    On the right lets takes all these wingnuts that rant and rave without knowing what the hell they're ranting about, because it sure isn't this health reform bill. First of all, let's see how they pay their medical bills once they lose their jobs. Second, the right knows that if this bill passes and works, like I think it will, their goose is cooked for about 16 years or so........People lets do what's right for Americans, not just the Special Interest people making all the millions on healthcare. Get real will ya!!! This is long, long overdue and had it passed for Clinton back in the 90's we would have saved $5T by now and not be in the shape we're still in with this mess we call our healthcare system. This is America, and if we can't do it better, something is very, very wrong. Grow up and use your brains God gave us!!

    August 15, 2009 at 12:18 am |
  7. ida

    I like sarah palin she is not a wing nut, she tells the truth, she has been insulted by the media over and over, and when she defends herself, the media says she is a nut, I think the media has been very unfair to her and her family, Its about time she stands up and fights for what is right.

    August 14, 2009 at 11:44 pm |
  8. Governor

    Insulting your opponents does not make you any better then they....

    The Constitution gives us (Americans) the right to speak our minds even you don’t like what they are saying.

    Why will you Phony mouth pieces read the documents you claim to love before you start shut anyone who does not kiss you’re a%$#...

    You always whine instead of making reasonable and logical arguments another’s position.

    Just the facts please, you don’t need your name calling…

    August 14, 2009 at 11:41 pm |
  9. Hopeful Optimist

    Lyndon LaRouche is no leftist, to set the record straight. To equate him with a liberal is a major disservice to those who are true liberals, such as myself. And we are very proud of that; it's tantamount to saying that one is educated and conversant in the issues of the day while living in a world full of morons.

    August 14, 2009 at 11:34 pm |
  10. Susan

    barassodinga August 14th, 2009 11:00 am ET

    “The recent uptick in comparisons of the President of the United States to either communist or fascist dictators is just unacceptable.”

    Really? Direct me to the ‘unacceptable’ clause in the 1st ammendment, o enlightened one. Further, I didn’t hear the Obama Youth at CNN belly-aching when Jr. Bush was receiving *exactly* the same treatment from the left."

    The same treatment? I don't recall a lib at a Bush rally carrying a loaded gun. Or posters comparing him to Hitler...we wanted him to come clean about the cost of the war and the torture policy, neither of which he did. We wanted to know about the illegal wiretapping of all Americans, but he lied about that. We asked him not to go to war...he didn't care. But the level of dislike never rose to the degree being perpetrated by the right wing talkers over Obama. I would never have wished the President DEAD, as I have seen all week on signs carried by Republicans. It is not at all the same, and is not American either. It is frightening that a few people can turn honest senior citizens into angry, scared puppets.

    August 14, 2009 at 11:07 pm |
  11. Susan

    "Bill August 14th, 2009 10:11 am ET

    Sarah Palin points out the truth, AND SHE’S A WINGNUT???? What are you folks smokin’? You’d better wake up and listen. The grass roots activism isn’t just about health care. "

    I agree that this is not about health care. It boils down to rich white Republicans losing their meal tickets, the American consumers. It also boils down to the NRA telling people that this black President will take away their beloved firearms. The third issue is that Rush compares Obama to Hitler all day, and people start to buy it...what are YOU smoking?
    And Palin pointed out no truths. The bill states that these consultations are VOLUNTARY, with health care professionals, not government people, and are a covered expense IF you want information. Nobody is promoting death. Why are you people so afraid of bringing this country into the 20th century...we are the only nation not caring enough about our people to make sure they have health care, which ends up costing us much more than any other nation pays per capita. The system is broken, and obviously letting the free market work hasn't worked. Sounds nice and democratic, but it doesn't work...people need help, and we'll all be better off...
    Finally there is NO bill yet, and the end-of-lfe provision, despite Palin's assertion today, is not out. How could it be? The Congress is in recess and has been since before she raised the 'death squad' idiocy. So Grassley also lied today...big surprise.

    August 14, 2009 at 11:01 pm |
  12. Maria Maki

    Listen up all you Americans! I just watched 26 video's of The World at War by the Thames Video Collection, an HBO special circa 1976. If anyone shouting about socialism, communism, Hitler, the Soviet Union, Japan, or any other country; take a refresher course. It was mass unemployment, lack of health care, and propaganda, etc., etc., that biased public opinion. And ignorance.

    55 million people were killed in World War 11. Right now there is estimated to be 45 million people in the United States without medical insurance. After rebuilding Europe, Scandinavia, Japan-all now have health care for their citizens. Except America.

    I don't necessarily embrace the government, but I embrace the idea that everyone in a democracy like ours has the money to insure all of us. This is a good thing, a needed thing, and compassion. If we never come to compassion in this country, it will be a bad thing.

    Put down your hate, your fears, your anger, your misinformation. What will you do without insurance? I know, I lost mine. Now I just wonder what will happen if I get cancer, heart disease, or any illness. I will sell my home, I guess. This is really not the answer for you or me. Does Sarah Palin have health insurance? Yes. Does Barrak Obama? Yes. Why don't the rest of us have it?

    Change the laws while we have a chance-it only comes around once in a very great while. Thank you for listening.

    August 14, 2009 at 10:50 pm |
  13. buyl0

    Sarah Palin is a prostitute for the hunting industry. The real "death panel" was the one she unleashed in her state to needlessly slaughter
    hundreds of innocent wolves to satisfy the selfish hunting lobby. I say, good riddance.

    August 14, 2009 at 10:37 pm |
  14. Paul

    People really have no idea what's at stake. If we keep going with the healthcare "system" we have now, within 5 years NOBODY will have health coverage that's worth having. This keeps getting pitched as covering the uninsured like that's some goody-goody idea. Bush said people have healthcare - the emergency room. It's the dumbest thing he ever said - which is saying something. Because care in the emergency room, unless you really need to be there, is absolutely the worst care imaginable at the absolute highest cost possible. And those extreme costs are packed onto the backs of those of us who have employer-paid health care. And our "cost-sharing" goes up year after year, and the benefits go down. Without reform, within 5 years NOBODY will have healthcare coverage worth having.

    August 14, 2009 at 10:26 pm |
  15. Alicia

    Great article, Mr. Avlon!

    These lies and scare tactics are just sad. Most people hear these lies, and roll our eyes. But, for some that are not well informed and get their news from Faux news channel and O'reilly, Bec or Hannity this is scary.

    I think some of this will backfire.

    Thanks for doing an article exposing the lies!!!!!!!!!!!!

    August 14, 2009 at 9:40 pm |
  16. Moderate please.

    Fox must be biased since they seldom report on Palin and CNN can't get enough of her.

    August 14, 2009 at 9:12 pm |
  17. Vlin

    How can anyone take what Sarah Palin says with any credibility??? She is a shining example of the type of people who watch Fox news – ignorant, narrow-minded, my way or the highway type people. Clearly she doesn't understand that every single health insurance company has a "death panel" that decides who they will cover and what services they will pay for. And their motivations are 90% profitability and 10% public relations – they certainly don't give a rip about who contributes anything to society – only who contributes to their P&L statement. News flash – insurance companies select who they will cover – has Palin never filled out an insurance application or received a denial letter in the mail???? Oh yes, that's right her insurance is provided by the Alaska tax payers (does that mean she is secretly a socialist/commmunist??). I certainly hope she doesn't accept Medicaid or gov't money for her son – that would be the crime of the century!

    August 14, 2009 at 8:57 pm |
  18. Magensbay

    This commentary was "dead on"! OOOPS, excuse the pun. As long as Sara Palin can open her illiterate mouth, the world will definitely be blessed with her "wingnut" comments, over and over again.

    August 14, 2009 at 8:54 pm |
  19. palebluedot

    Palin,s rants are typical of a party that out of touch with the people who they should be helping>Again it,s what,s good for me.

    August 14, 2009 at 8:50 pm |
  20. Vic

    I think you have a lot of people who feel very passionate about an issue and so they like to color their arguments in order to make a point. Nothing really wrong with that. While it may sound a little nutty for people on the right to say health care reform is going to create "death panels", I find it no more rediculous than arguments I hear from the left saying that you can't trust the insurance companies or private heath care simply because they make a profit (at what? saving lives? Whats wrong with that?).

    I think a lot of people are worried that the heath care reforms being proposed could eventually turn into socialized medicne. Furthermore, there are no assurances that it won't. I often hear testimoninals about how great Euopean socialized medicineis simply because it is free and have to ask: how would anybody in Europe know if it was good medicine if it is the only thing availible? We have both private and a patchwork of public health-care in this country. If you had a brain tumor were would you prefer to go to get operated on?

    August 14, 2009 at 8:43 pm |
  21. anne

    Thanks, Sarah Palin. I'm a 70 year old very healthy woman with an equally healthy 93 year old mother who lives in another state. Both of us plan on discussing end of life issues with our doctors when the time comes. Thanks to Mrs. Palin's absurd scare tactics and untruths, it looks as if Medicare may not cover these consultations in the final bill. I plan on sending our expenses to Mrs. Palin.

    August 14, 2009 at 8:12 pm |
  22. John

    Given that the liberal left has no problems terminating an infants life in the womb it is perfectly logical for someone to assert that they plan to set up "death panels" for the aged.

    August 14, 2009 at 8:03 pm |
  23. Thea

    I am heartened that most of you who have posted comments do not equate freedom of speech with hateful ranting and scare tactics. It is fine in a democracy to research, discuss and debate ideas. It is unconscionable that leaders like Palin and talk show hosts like Limbaugh lie and incite their uneducated base to potentially violent action.

    And when people start bringing guns to town meetings, it becomes fascism, home-grown jihad. Guns and militias have nothing to do with freedom of speech or liberty - or health reform! These people are psychos, criminals and terrorists. Frankly, I wish they weren't on the streets and I want them nowhere near my children, or anyone's children.

    Oh - and as for "the left being afraid of Palin," let's clear up that misunderstanding once and for all. We're not so much afraid of HER (she's just an airhead), as we are of sharing a country with the legions of crazy fools who can't see through her.

    August 14, 2009 at 7:35 pm |
  24. Ed

    I applaud CNN including "AmericanWingnutPatriot" in this listing.

    Yes, "AmericanWingnutPatriot", you have a right to free political speech. But I would also ask, do you care about the truth and this country. My guess is that you don't.

    August 14, 2009 at 7:22 pm |
  25. Kate

    The people at the town halls are "the essence of democracy?" Give me a break! They are right-wing conservatives, bussed in by groups such as 'Tea Party Patriots' and 'FreedomWorks,' two industry funded groups who stand to benefit if health reform legislation fails. The insurance industry and big medicine are playing a significant role in organizing, and perhaps stirring up the outbursts we're seeing at health care public forums around the country. When G-Dubya ran his town halls, you had to prove loyalty to the party and hold a ticket to gain entrance. A brilliant young (Democrat) student in my town in northwest New Mexico was ushered out of a Bush affair held at the Connie Mack ballfields a few blocks from my home, by Secret Service agents, based on his questioning, in our local newspaper, of the legitimacy of the Bush administration's invading Iraq, which began our free-fall into budgetary deficit, as so many of you Republican conservatives seem to forget! So much for your 'freedom of speech,' which we came closer to losing under the Bush administration than ever before in the history of this democracy!

    August 14, 2009 at 6:50 pm |
  26. Ken

    Go get 'em Vince! You are dead-on about the rightwing hypocritical noise machine. The level of purposeful stupidity that they show is incredible......and then they resort to name calling if you don't agree with them!! Apparently these people never gained further social and analytical skills after their 3rd grade recess.

    August 14, 2009 at 6:41 pm |
  27. Bob Fritz

    We have one of the few people with the guts and intelligence to save this country in the White House now. After reading some of these comments, I fear for him.

    August 14, 2009 at 6:28 pm |
  28. WinstonSmith1984

    Reading Sarah Palin's most recent posting, it is clear that she did not, and could not have written it.

    By comparing the "doubling down" and the "civility" posting to any of her speaches or her first "Death Panel" lie, it is clear the writing, and inclusion of footnotes, is beyond her abilities. Come on, footnotes?!? From Sarah Palin?!?

    Clearly one or more of her advisers are ghost writing her Facebook posts now in an effort to polish her image. Maybe CNN can redeem itself by examining this and bringing out the truth about Sarah Palin's lies.

    August 14, 2009 at 6:08 pm |
  29. Donna

    CNN, I think you are stirring the pot by not vetting your reporter's reporting. If LaRouche is a lefty then I'm a member of the DAR and I can assure you I am not. I think your reporting is really getting sloppy. Please do a little more research of the FACTS. Commentary is not reporting. I don't mind if it helps or hurts one party or the other as long as reporting is FACTUAL. I think most news outlets are too afraid of offending but someone will always be offended. So now you are offending the sane people of America who just want to get some decent health care without going bankrupt. Thanks a bunch for doing what you accuse others of doing, just stirring the pot. So unhelpful and so sad.

    August 14, 2009 at 5:49 pm |
  30. Vince

    @brian August 14th, 2009 4:58 pm ET

    The only people here who are crazy are the ones that think the goverment can run anything correctly. USPS cut back services… how long before the ER is closed on Friday’s? Its innevitable."

    Another one of the misconceptions. No one is talking about the goverment running the hospitals, brainiac. It is about REFORMS to the INSURANCE industry and a PUBLIC (=government run) INSURANCE OPTION.

    August 14, 2009 at 5:41 pm |
  31. Lisa in Shelton

    Chris Matthews is not a wing-nut because he has real evidence to back up his stance on political matters. Palin is a dolt and a wing-nut and forgets she herself called for Alaskans to create advanced directives before she quit her job to pursue more lucrative offers. Wing-nut Larouche has been on the fringe for yrs for a reason. If the GOP wants to provide a clear-cut fact based opposition to health care reform debate they have to stop using rich political nuts from spewing lies – the Town Hall opposition is funded by the whack-job who gave us the Willie Horton ads.

    August 14, 2009 at 5:40 pm |
  32. Vince

    Here's a good mental exercise. Imagine our schools being run solely by for-profit companies, without a public option. What would happen?

    How about our National Parks?
    How about our national highway system??

    Who do you think would be excluded from the benefits of these systems? What would happen during an economic downturn, like what we've seen lately?

    Think about it people. Your paranoid fears of the government trying to take over your lives is right wing propaganda. The government (under Democratic leadership, anyway) is trying to provide for the people in the face of business and industry that see people as commodities and the source of profit. Of course, everything cannot be government run, because with our capitalism and free commerce, there is no tax revenue. But there are certain elements of infrastructure (education, transportation, healthcare, etc.) that needs to have a protected, public alternative.

    August 14, 2009 at 5:37 pm |
  33. dissent is american

    The reason Sarah Palin mentioned "death panels" is because of Obama's advisor Ezekiel Emmanuel. he is a bio ethicist and his chief of staff"s brother. if you google his name you will see an article he wrote in the 90s where he mentioned in that under universal health, medical services would have to be rationed because if you extend health care to all americans there would increased demand but the same limited amount of doctors. so how would we decide who gets benefits first....Dr Emmanuel premise is that health care should be dolled out to paitients based on whether they are contributing voting memebers of society. therefore an 80 year old with dementia or a child with down syndrome shouldnt get services before a healthy voting 30 year old. this was shocking to read and i know there is nothing in the proposed bills going through congress stating this, but this is the view of a high ranking bio ethicist for the CBO that obama appointed. if you dont believe what i am writting please google his name and read it yourself. This is a slippery slope. Why would obama appoint this man unless he believes similar ideas. its not that far fetched to see that this could lead to a soylent green type of future where the government encourages the old and sick to do their duty and just die.
    Please google ezekial emmanuel yourself and read his radical views.
    its important to research these issues and ask these questions, so i am glad miss palin bought this up. also when people on the left dissagree with someone's political views they always resort to personal attacks and insults. and its chilling how many liberals want to silence anyone who dissagrees wtih anything obama proposes by calling them nutscases, racists, mobs and ginned up. so many blogs say that right wingers shouldnt be "allowed" to say anything
    that criticizes obama. is anyone surprise that middle americans are rising up worrying about our rights being taken away?

    August 14, 2009 at 5:37 pm |
  34. Ans

    Actually MRN you should die insteadand decrease the surplus population, a profit margin is more important than anyone else's life.
    At least that's more or less the position of the ones against healthcare.

    August 14, 2009 at 5:34 pm |
  35. RH

    I just don't understand Palin. When it comes to welfare, the "unproductive" can take a hike. But, hypothetically, if health policy were to examine the "unproductives'" contribution to society, it's evil. Am I missing something?

    August 14, 2009 at 5:29 pm |
  36. Mikki

    This has gotten so out of control, that it is mind-numbing! I am a registered Democrat (and proud of it) but I have voted for Republicans and Independents because I make my decisions based on the FACTS, not supposition. I am a married, black, mother of two and I am absolutely appalled at the hatred that I see making its way throughout this country. These are certainly not the values with which I want to raise my sons. I do not have a problem with people having a difference of opinion, as it is our constitutional right to do so. I have a problem when these "opinions" whether they are from the left or right fan the flames of violence. And I am afraid that this is exactly what may happen. Whether we like or agree with our political leaders, there is a certain amount of human respect and decency that is deserved. My deference to human life and respect probably comes from the fact that I am also a registered nurse who knows firsthand the crisis that the current healthcare system is in. I do not pretend to know all the answers, but we must do something. I know that my premiums increase every year (not my benefits) because my hospital is constantly having to eat the cost of uninsured or underinsured patients. We also had to forgo our cost of living increases this year, so that we wouldn't have to layoff employees. So, I still end up paying for it anyway. When you have to care for a dying 32 year old mother of two with breast cancer that might have been able to be treated if she'd been able to get a mammogram, but didn't because she didn't have insurance because her employer didn't offer it to her.. You might have a different take on things. My grandfather passed away from pancreatic cancer, but he was able to afford some new experiemental treatments that probably added a little time to his life. How can any of us watch our fellow CITIZENS suffer if he/she is willing to work and pay SOMETHING? This is the true American spirit...Not all the fighting and bickering. We really need to reset the tone or someone is truly going to get hurt, and that is what SCARES me!!

    August 14, 2009 at 5:27 pm |
  37. carowe

    CNN, how is it that the childish and clearly unbalanced rantings of someone like "AmericanWingnutPatriot" can make it onto your blogs without censure, but more reasonable postings cannot? Honestly, people like that (I assume it's a guy because it is really stupid) guy should take a pill and just go away – such losers are just hateful bigots whose opinions are not among those that need airing because all they do is hate, hate, hate.

    August 14, 2009 at 5:22 pm |
  38. MRN


    You are being paranoid. The country will never go single-payer. Even if it did in fifty you know what that means anyway?

    Why does the gov need to get involved? Because right now our healthcare is "for profit" and it is out of control. I work in a hospital and can tell you the atrocities that go on, and the main culprit is insurance companies. We do need reform.

    The private insurance companies need to have some standards to abide by – like they can't drop your insurance if you get sick, heaven forbid.

    I agree, not everything should change, but it is a VERY broken system.

    If I lose my job tomorrow (which we all know is possible in this economy), what would I do? I have a spot on my lung. Should I starve so I can get an MRI? I won't qualify for Medicaid. What should I do? This proposed-plan would give me an option.

    August 14, 2009 at 5:06 pm |
  39. Renee

    Wayne Schwartz – thank you. I give you credit for doing the right thing and not just following the GOP. I agree with you. Palin is dangerous. She tells incidious lies to stupid people. A complete hate-mongerer.

    August 14, 2009 at 5:02 pm |
  40. Sam U.

    I heard that President Obama is trying to mirror the healthcare program to what the members of Congress have. If that is the case, I have never heard or read about any member of Congress complaining about the numerous plans available to them.

    August 14, 2009 at 5:01 pm |
  41. Audrey

    Wow, what a weird bunch who are posting here. Does anyone have any real idea what they are going on about?
    Sarah Palin seems to be a Very Odd Duck. Yes the health care system in the US needs work, maybe if people did not eat such junk, except toxic spills and injest so many things, they would be a little bit healthier. Bring back the smokers and drinkers.
    Tax the insurance, drug and fast food companies rather than the average person. Tax the car companies.
    Stop talking about Sarah Palin, if this is the next President of the US, plan on being the laughing stock of the entire world. I would rather have a five year old leading the way, at least we would know they really are this limited in intelligence.

    August 14, 2009 at 4:59 pm |
  42. Melissa

    If "conservatives" want "government out of their lives", then they want to get rid of their medicare, social security? What about public schools? Police officers? Then the government should mind their own business about a women's right to choose to have an abortion?

    Bunch of hippocrates.

    I am a strong supporter of what Obama would like to do with healthcare. I hope that the bill reflects what Obama wants and that it isn't done half-a$$ed.

    August 14, 2009 at 4:59 pm |
  43. Vince

    "Andrew August 14th, 2009 12:12 pm ET

    I love how six years ago, even the most benign criticism of George Bush’s policies or actions brought cries of “traitor” and “love it or leave it”, but now that the Red State Rednecks are disenfranchised, suddenly it _is_ patriotic to question the president.
    So, on behalf of all of us who were polite about it when your guy was in charge, I would like to offer you right-wing clowns some sage advice you gave me awhile ago.

    “If you can’t respect the man, respect the office.”
    “It’s a democracy. The people wanted him to win, and he won.”
    “America, love it or leave it!”
    “If you aren’t with the President, you’re against America!”"


    August 14, 2009 at 4:59 pm |
  44. brian

    The only people here who are crazy are the ones that think the goverment can run anything correctly. USPS cut back services... how long before the ER is closed on Friday's? Its innevitable. Also funny that people can apparently afford a computer, but they complain about paying for their health care insurance. Priorities!

    August 14, 2009 at 4:58 pm |
  45. S

    Wow, the comments have surprised me, I have nothing against free speech or opinions. People are actually defending this fanatical behavior and encouraging this atmosphere of fear.
    What I do have problems with is political personas using their reputations to spread lies. Meaning, when Palin mentions 'death panels', she as a public figure is suggesting that these 'death panels' actually exist, but they don't, and neither does a health care bill, yet. I believe the town hall meetings were going to be a great way for our representatives to hear directly from the people about their concerns, but all these fanatics do is yell that they are 'scared of Obama!', of Socialism!, of what America has Become!, disrupting these town halls so that no-one can ask important questions, thereby blocking any ability to relay the truth. I haven't seen evidence of the local constituency asking important questions and voicing rational concerns. What is going on? The fanaticism on both sides needs to stop, everyone needs to slow down, consider what their true concerns are, and voice them, not by yelling, but by communicating with one another so there is some sort of solution that truly does reach across the isle.
    Politicians that use these fanatical tactics lose all my respect, no matter what their stance on the issue is.

    August 14, 2009 at 4:58 pm |
  46. Maggie

    AmericanWingnutPatriot and others,

    Your ignorance and lack of education is clear.

    An "Advanced Directive" or "Living Will" is not a death panel. I work in a hospital. It is a piece of paper that you can sign saying "If I am brain dead, keep me on a ventilator" or vice versa.

    Anyone notice that the majority of the townhall lunatics are uneducated white people? I am saying this as a white person that is educated and gets my information from sources other than right-wing talk radio.

    August 14, 2009 at 4:56 pm |
  47. Vince

    @windrider August 14th, 2009 12:06 pm ET

    "Labeling someone a socialist who isn’t one is just a childish insult. It’s a way of dismissing someone without ever having to deal with what that person is saying."

    I think you just identified the philosophy of today's republican party.

    August 14, 2009 at 4:55 pm |
  48. Bob Baden

    ENOUGH Palin. The woman is an idiot. Truly an embarrassment to any thinking American. If these "Death Panels" did exist, I know who my first candidate would be.

    August 14, 2009 at 4:32 pm |
  49. Cheri

    I agree with you Randy. I used to watch CNN but now am just simply disgusted. Instead of calling it CNN for Clinton News Network, it should be called ONN: Obama Nut Network

    August 14, 2009 at 4:22 pm |
  50. Phil from Huntington Beach


    Re: The healthcare plan;

    What do you say we "just stop makin' things up?" (Sound familiar?)

    Death panels, Give me a break!!

    August 14, 2009 at 4:18 pm |

    It's good that everyone is FINALLY getting involved with THEIR country. We have let the politicians run things too long with the people acting like sheep. This had better be the wake-up call for "We The People of the United States of America."

    August 14, 2009 at 4:15 pm |
  52. Frank Frisillo

    Neil wrote: "EARTH TO OBAMA. The majority of the people DO NOT WANT THIS. Wake up. Look at the polling data. Even CNN must acknowledge there is not enough support in the polls. SO why keep forcing this socialist agenda on us?"

    EARTH TO NEIL: The people have been led, like cattle to the slaughter, to believe the lies, exaggerations, and untruths. Real news organizations, such as CNN, NBC, CBS, and ABC do their jobs to inform the public. Party led 'news organizations' like FOX perhaps, do their best to 'report' the lies as truths and distort the real story.
    So Neil, get real. There's no socialist agenda. The people will support healthcare reform once the liars are shown to be the trivial wingnuts they are.

    August 14, 2009 at 4:14 pm |
  53. Kevin Denver Colorado

    Randy: Was it not Nancy Pelosi who first called the expression of free speech and opinion by Americas as Nazi like and un American ?

    No it was not..... this is just one of the many lies you swallow with such ease! Like the holocaust and the moon landing to be sure.


    August 14, 2009 at 4:08 pm |
  54. Taylor

    Watching these town hall "meetings" from Canada I can't help but be very concerned about the health of the world's oldest democracy, the United States.

    What has happened to pulic debate? Why are so many people filled with so much fear about Obama?

    The mis-information that flies aroung the talk radio stations is unbelievable. It's increadible that most American's still think that the 9/11 terrorist crossed the US- Canadian boarder (when they accually where admitted into the States on visa's.

    Gues what, Canada, Europe, Japan, Austrailia, i.e. – the rest of the free world DOES have government run health services and we are not communist!

    August 14, 2009 at 3:59 pm |
  55. Pat

    How about the wing nut brother of Raum Emaual (SP) that just this year advises those under 2 years old and over 55 years old should NOT recieve as good as care as those inside those ages? But I guess the liberal press can't be covering any story that makes liberals look crazy....

    August 14, 2009 at 3:57 pm |
  56. FreedomZeek

    Get this Health Care Reform done, pronto! If it covers 45 million uninsured Americans, I don't care whether it's partisan or not, socialism or not, as long it is not coming from these wingnuts. These are all smokescreens. If the previous Bush administration really cared about Health Care, they should have done something about it when they had control of the White House and Congress. The previous administration should have done something to cut down heatlh care cost and the cost of prescription drugs. It's so pretentious to say that they care about people's health now that this administration is really going to do something about health care this time. Leave the wingnuts alone. They do not deserve a space in your respectable news network! They can be covered by Fox News.

    August 14, 2009 at 3:47 pm |
  57. DVard

    There's a high dose of righty nuttiness in the comments. Get Ayn Rand's hand out of your alimentary canals and do some critical thinking. Both of these wingnuts are deserving of the title. Palin lied. Denying it requires a special amount of cognitive dissonance. LaRouche is, dare I say, even crazier than Sarah.

    Wow. I sure hope the insanity's not contagious.

    August 14, 2009 at 3:46 pm |
  58. Rich

    So, the Government "panel" (assumedly) that denied 64-year old Barbara Wagner in Oregon (Gov't run healthcare) the $4,000/month cancer drugs but offered to pay for the $50 "end of life" drugs wasn't at all a "death panel", huh?

    Oh, the evil drug company gave her the drugs for free. Of course, the gov't might do the same for you, IF YOU'RE A REGISTERED VOTER OF "THEIR" Party, of course.

    August 14, 2009 at 3:42 pm |
  59. Paul

    its an opinion piece people, not news, get a grip.

    August 14, 2009 at 3:35 pm |
  60. Greg

    Why is CNN doing a story with this man is CNN gone that far to the left too

    August 14, 2009 at 3:31 pm |
  61. goesbothways

    To "dissent is american":
    Sure, Palin and Larouche have the right to say whatever they want. And they do.
    CNN also has the right to point out that its a blatant lie (Palin) and a bit crazy and in poor taste (LaRouche). Free speech doesn't mean you can't call out the wingnuts.

    August 14, 2009 at 3:27 pm |
  62. Julia

    She's in good company although I do think you're being exceedingly kind just calling her a wingnut. She goes far, far beyond that, but interestingly, she has a few followers (see Americanwingnut's observations above), who share her optimism for sheer oddball behavior wrapped in a faux American flags. They scream the loudest obscenities and make the gravest threats - all in the hope that someone, anyone, will pay attention. No, Sarah Palin and her backers aren't nuts. They're comic relief and nothing more.

    August 14, 2009 at 3:16 pm |
  63. Mary Koral

    Thank God for your article. I cringe from the perversion of a bill that should be debated on its merits, not on hysteria and fanaticism. Sarah Palin chooses to engage with misinformation and tout it as family values. And posting a picture of Obama as Hitler? I hope that your article serves to add some measure of intelligence and courtesy to the debate. It seems to me we are back to Obama as potential terroist... the thinly veiled, or not so thinly veiled measures lobbed against him by Palin and her crew in the election. Help!

    August 14, 2009 at 3:15 pm |
  64. nancy

    Palin is an idiot, a republican and a quitter ~~ 3 strikes, you're outta there.

    August 14, 2009 at 3:09 pm |
  65. Roy Jones

    I've got an Idea, Let's all continue to act like spoiled brats and outscream everyone else until we get our way! Stupid fools, this world belongs to all of us, not just the wingnuts.

    August 14, 2009 at 3:07 pm |
  66. zip

    What baffles me is the fact that there are people out there who continue to listen to Sarah Palin and feed her ego.There are millions of women who make intellectual contributions every day in the world,and especially the USA that don't get the recognition she does.She attracts the brainless zombies who contribute very little to society and regardless what she says,the same people eat it up as though she is a god.

    August 14, 2009 at 3:05 pm |
  67. Dan

    Check out Palin's April 16, 2008 Healthcare Decision Day, where she proclaimed support for what she is now calling "death panels".

    She was so proud of her support that it was on her web page. Funny how it was pulled when she made her "death panel" comments

    August 14, 2009 at 3:01 pm |
  68. Wilson

    This article is extremely bias to help Obama have some credibility toward his messed up Health Care Plan. It's interesting to see CNN defending this Socialist wacko President just because he is promoting Liberalism.

    August 14, 2009 at 3:01 pm |
  69. andrew from Canada

    When will Americans open there eyes and see the republicans are sabotoging peoples right to health care. When government runs health care, just like in some Canadian provinces where they also run car insurance costs go down, coverage is offered to the poor and no fat cat insurance execs making 10 million a year while denying coverage for some life saving health service. Now I know that may not be common, but it does happen and never should. When government runs health access is granted to all, and that's how it should be. If you believe the taxes are too high or you don't want to support others with your tax dollars, suck it up. Stop spending so much on defence and more on the health of your population.
    P.S. Canada Federal income tax rate: 29%
    US federal income tax rate: 35%

    August 14, 2009 at 3:00 pm |
  70. DJ in TX

    Can someone please tell why I should trust the GOP at this point? This part y with so many ideas – where were they during the Bush years. Hannity says "they lost there way", so why are we to believe they've all of a sudden found it????

    I asked my Congressman a question (John Carter of Texas) and no response as of yet, to tell me why he feels a public option is a "government takeover". I'm waiting on ONE, just ONE person to tell me that. If the bill reads, you can keep your current policy if you like it, then what is saying you won't get to keep it. BTW – this death panel stuff has got to stop. The GOP has offered nothing, not one single idea that I've seen. So if nothing happens because of them, and medicare and medicaid goes bankrupt, we know who to blame.

    August 14, 2009 at 2:58 pm |

    Randy Willaman- everything you typed is pure comedy. keep it coming and try not to contradict yourself so much. you really show your intelligence

    August 14, 2009 at 2:42 pm |
  72. lois

    The president is doing his utmost best to help, yet they have individuals like Sarah Palin, who tries her best to bring him down
    She is just like Rush, Beck, and all the others on Fox news, HATERS
    Palin is always stating that the media is after her children, yet she is the one that is putting her kids in harms way. What a dumb nut

    August 14, 2009 at 2:41 pm |
  73. Mike from Texas

    Only racism can make one so blind. Healthcare for all is a good, christian thing. There are no death panels. The insurance companies are standing between you and your doctor now, why does no one care about that. A for-profit company is making decisions on what treatment you can or cannot have. Apparently this is OK. Heaven forbid the government bring the greedy, profit driven insurance companies premiums down. I think all these wingnuts need to apply to work at these insurance compaines, I mean your already their number one advocate, might as well get paid for it, right?

    August 14, 2009 at 2:37 pm |
  74. Joe in NC

    Judging from AmericanWingnutPatriot's post below, it is clear that there are plenty of delusional people who are receptive to Palin's and LaRouche's drivel.

    August 14, 2009 at 2:31 pm |
  75. Dave

    CNN's reporting does not present all the facts. No one will check identification for those illegals who want free health care. Come on, actually report both sides!

    August 14, 2009 at 2:30 pm |
  76. JDOly

    Oh yes I think the right is telling us to remember the good old days of when they had majorities and sitting presidents. When the country was good and fair to us little people. When Nixon was ransacking the Watergate building or all that money was trickling down to us from the pockets of the very wealthy by the rep. god (oh R reagan) or the two Bushmen who have as a family screwed up this country in their 12 years of being president more than in any time in history of the USof A. Good cozy thoughts. Just the sight of Young king George ( I guess he must of been abducted by alians since you dont ever see him) gives me ill feelings.
    The rep. should really make up their minds. Cant have socialist policies in this country. Then all you so called patriots should make a list and state you dont want socialism in this country. Then when you have a fire we wont have to pay the fire dpt. to come to your house or when you have a break-in we dont have to send the police dpt to your house since these sytems are purely socialist systems. These patriot then can find a good private school or home school since I dont want these idiots in the socialist public school system. That would save us billions of dollars right there and it would make the so called patriots in this country feel good about themselves.
    If they need an prescription then they are SOL since the funding for research and developement on most meds are done in a socialistic system. And please put a sticker on your vehicle before you enter that federal park system no no no you cant go in there since the whole system is used with our taxpayer money so only us socialists can camp and look at the wonders of that system.
    And since the country is at war and that system is purely socialist that you can stop beating your chest saying how great our fighting men are and start paying for paid merchs. to do our fighting -but you already have that they are called concern citizens at town hall meetings).
    Your COMPATIONATE CONSERVATIVES make me sick and this is one more reason.

    August 14, 2009 at 2:28 pm |

    dissent is american- i think the article is saying the he's pictured to the left but hey i'm not as smart as you are

    August 14, 2009 at 2:25 pm |
  78. Ace

    Richard Cheney will defend Sarah palin from his secured, undisclosed location. George Bush willl authorize post-presidential illegal wiretaps in order to determine the "wonky liberal" demographics. Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny will further assist the right-wing slander program. Watch for the fair and balanced details tonight on FOX!

    August 14, 2009 at 2:23 pm |
  79. Retired-Vet

    If you think Sarah is a nut, what about Pelosi, Reid, Durbin, etal?

    UnAmerican to disagree? I spent 22 years of my life so that wingnuts, liberals, or just plain old American people could maintain their right to free speech, free to find life , liberty,and the pursuit of happiness.

    And now if you speak out against the GREAT socialization of America, you are reported to the 'fishy' network. Orwell must have been a prophet and saw the day of Obamanation.

    August 14, 2009 at 2:22 pm |
  80. John

    I am amazed at the number of people shouting about health care, shouting about commmunism, shouting about socialism, and shouting about free speech. No one is telling you that you can't voice your opinion! Freedom of speech is a two way street! Freely speak with everyone else instead of silencing everyone who doesn't agree with your "shouting points". Let EVERYONE speak!...and maybe if we listen to eachother we can get something accomplished. Everyone should agree that it is time for reform! Now is your chance to tell the government what type of reform is necessary and what type isn't. Don't let the voice of reason be drowned out by the shouting.

    August 14, 2009 at 2:19 pm |
  81. Dr. Dave

    Let's remember, Hitler was democratically elected and acheived "cult of personality" status well before he became the demon we all know today.

    I once believed that liberals fought for individual freedom but at every turn, they legislate away the individual. If that isn't the backbone of Socialism, then I must be very confused. I've lost my faith in the Democrats to protect individual freedoms, therefore they've lost my vote.

    August 14, 2009 at 2:17 pm |
  82. Doug

    John Avlon, should get his poltics correct, LaRouch is right of the Republicans

    August 14, 2009 at 1:59 pm |
  83. Dennis

    Does it really matter if we call it a “Death Panel” or a process that we supply information to like age, weight, height, smoker, drinker, existing health issues and then come up with a number that falls somewhere on a matrix that decides whether you get life extending or saving health treatment or not.

    Price for care seems to be the domino that if pushed would have a tremendous affect on every aspect of the system as it stands. It seems that Texas has made some significant progress in this area with changes they have put in place that deals with malpractice among other things. The price of healthcare has dropped while the quality has increased do to more doctors setting up practice in Texas. This lends itself to both diversity and quality. Wouldn’t it make sense to apply what works to what we have in order to make it better for everyone? I don’t think we can deny that the care that is available in America is some of the best!

    August 14, 2009 at 1:56 pm |
  84. Pete

    Palin is effectively RIGHT in everything she's been doing. She is so right, it makes the rest of us normal. There is a blinding impedement with her too – she feeds on the emotions of the gullible. It is left to the rest of us the ensure that we continue to emancipate ourselves from mental slavery because if we don't, God help us!

    August 14, 2009 at 1:46 pm |
  85. John

    People on the religious left charge that Palin and others are making up stories about death panels that will be created by the Democrat health plan. To test this, I read the section in question. Palin and others are correct. The section hints that end of life counseling may indeed be mandatory. The language states that the counseling sessions may be recommended more frequently than every 5 years based on recommended from health professionals, lawyers, and health policy experts. This sounds like a worse nightmare than what we have now. Now at least you can challange insurance providers in a court of law. In a government controlled system, the law is always on the governments side and not the people's side. People bashing Palin ignore these facts and pretent that they don't exist. They sound pretty hateful and intolerant too, if you read the other comments here.

    August 14, 2009 at 1:40 pm |
  86. Andy

    First of all CNN has become more like fox entertainment rather than a serious inpartial report the facts news station. The President for CNN got his nose bent out of joint because he has a crush on Palin so no more radio talk hosts will be allowed on the air except for of course Bill Bennet.

    The other thing is all you anti goverement/ anit Obama people out there that have a problem with the public health care option need to wake the hell up. It's an "option" for those of us who cannot afford what you now have. Back off and quit acting like others don't deserve to have affordable health care. It will force the greedy and immorale insurance companies to become more competive and therefore reducing your costs as well. IT IS GOOD FOR EVERYBODY except maybe the insurance companies profits.

    Quit acting like little spoiled little children because your man Mc Cain lost and Obama won.

    August 14, 2009 at 1:40 pm |
  87. Steve

    If the American Wingnut Patriot and all his Tea Party pals need some psychiatric counselling I know a good psychiatric hospital up in Canada where they can get help. No charge, they have Universal Health Care....

    August 14, 2009 at 1:36 pm |
  88. Angela

    CNN, cut the cord from Obama already and have an original thought. It's time you examine both sides of the argument. If your goal is to have no intelligent person come to you for news, keep it up. We used to expect media to be the watchdog, not a stool pigeon for the current administration. And that applies to left and right wing politics. Be unbiased, just once.

    August 14, 2009 at 1:31 pm |
  89. penny

    What are you? Two years old? This sounds like schoolboy name calling. Just because someone happens to disagree with the liberal agenda, they are a wingnut? What happened to intelligent debate? Palin's voice needs to be heard – she is a respectable and accomplished woman, and no one can change that fact. She is also a refreshing force in the political world – and beautiful – and no one can get over that either!

    August 14, 2009 at 1:23 pm |
  90. Fact

    Those who believe in a return to the "Utopian 50s" the culture war is over, you lost.

    August 14, 2009 at 1:15 pm |
  91. Michael K

    Nobody here is saying it is wrong to dissent, although that was the dominant theme up until the recent inauguration.
    What is upsetting thinking people is the practice of upsetting vulnerable citizens with lies.

    Yes. Lies. Palin lies, Grassley lies and Limbaugh lies.

    Everything being used to scare people is already in place today and administered by private companies with the goal of maximizing profitability.

    If healthcare is not a right, then stop using my taxes to protect the intellectual property of drug companies and to give grants to medical school and to setup state based medical boards to decide who can and cannot procatice medicine. Also stop regulating insurance companies. Let them do whatever they want. Then when these wingnuts get sick or injured, you'll see the debate change.

    Right now I think it's mostly about greed. Insurance companies, drug companies and mean-spirited little people who don't give a smelly crap about their citizens ot nation.

    August 14, 2009 at 1:10 pm |
  92. lolo

    The only thing the republicans want is for everyone to suffer. I surely can not wait until you meet God, because he will definitely have a good lesson for you to learn. You can be sure that there will be judgement day. Also Obama does not have to worry, because God is on his side. Why do you think that he beats you at every turn. I guess it was okay for the guy to have a pistol strapped on his leg at the town hall meeting. Some nut could have taken that gun and killed a lot of people, but that is okay with you republicans. As always trying to intimidate people to get your way. Remember the white people stole this country, then you rounded up slaves to work your land. Then you brought the immigrants over for cheap labor. Now who started this mess? After you have bullied your way through everything and messed it up now you want your America back. I look at some of you people on these news shows and shake my head. You people are so misinformed. I work everyday just like you uppity people. If i do not want the plan now at least it will be there for me when i lose my job. You are not giving people anything, people have supported themselves without your ignorant backwards thinking. The republicans just want everything like it was in the 50's and 60's where you could lynch and deny people their freedom.

    August 14, 2009 at 1:08 pm |
  93. len

    The far right are targeting the uninformed and sad to say, those who are not highly educated. They govern on FEAR and HATE. The American people need to educate themselves and get the right information and stop listening to those who wanted this president to fail from day one.

    August 14, 2009 at 1:07 pm |
  94. Jason

    Too many people are blindly loyal to their party lines to get beyond the media mud and actually look at the bill. There are plenty of frightening facts within this health bill, just read it.

    Even if the federal government could do a good job at running our health care the American people should still be against it. The federal government has the Constitutional obligation to PROTECT its people, not PROVIDE for them. We should not be comfortable with allowing our government to take care of us. It goes against the principles of why this nation was founded. We the people are accountable for our own lives but the government wants to take that freedom away. It must stop.

    August 14, 2009 at 1:05 pm |
  95. G SMITH

    Thank God Obama will be out of office in 3 1/2 yrs. Then we can get back to capitalism

    August 14, 2009 at 1:01 pm |
  96. josephine

    Luv it when someone isn't afraid to call a spade, a spade. More power to you Ms. Palin, hope you find yourself a worthy running mate for 2012.

    August 14, 2009 at 1:00 pm |
  97. lolo

    This is not about disagreeing with health care reform. This is about a black man in the white house. The republican party has always been racist and will remain racist. Sarah Palin is just an ignorant woman who was thrushed into the spotlight and is loving it. She does not even know about minority people. She knows exactly what she is doing. It is okay for husband to join a club that wants to break away from America and nothing is said. She is upset that the sane America has found out who she really is, a noboby, a pretender of knowlede. No one complained when Bush and Cheney put us in this mess. Look at the republican party. Notice who all the members are? Old people who do not want change. Old white men who do not want to loose their connection with the insurance industry. They are getting paid big time. i just can not believe how ignorant these people are. How can you complain when you don't even know what is going on. These people only get their information from fox news and the racist pigs out there. How about reading once in a while for yourselves to learn the real issues. It is just sickening how they always mention God and abortion in everything. If you don't want the plan don't sign up for it. If you don't want an abortion use abstinence, but you can not push everyone into having the republican belief. This is America not the Republican party's country. You people are just stupid and ignorant.

    August 14, 2009 at 12:58 pm |
  98. Ronald Percy

    What's going on,
    Froma a white male living in the north east
    Thank you for what I wish I had Said.


    August 14, 2009 at 12:58 pm |
  99. Charles

    This article should not exist. It is a waste of everyone's time since it contains no valuable information, and not meaningful analysis. It merely points out that there are some people with unusual views.

    Furthermore, why would you bother comparing Larouche to Palin? One was on a major party ticket, and the other is insignificant, both in terms of the quality and interest of his ideas, and the size of his following.

    August 14, 2009 at 12:58 pm |
  100. Greg

    To think she would have been vice president...and then resigned.

    August 14, 2009 at 12:55 pm |
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