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August 14th, 2009
06:10 AM ET

Avlon: Palin, LaRouche stirring the crazy pot

Editor’s note: John P. Avlon is the author of Independent Nation: How Centrists Can Change American Politics and writes a weekly column for The Daily Beast. Previously, he served as Chief Speechwriter for New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani and was a columnist and associate editor for The New York Sun.

Lyndon LaRouche (L) and Sarah Palin (R). Photos: Larouchepac.com/Getty Images

Lyndon LaRouche (L) and Sarah Palin (R). Photos: Larouchepac.com/Getty Images

It’s become the summer of the wingnut. Unhinged eruptions at town halls are becoming standard operating procedure, as forces from the right face off against forces deployed by the left. Politics, it turns out, follows the line of physics: every action creates an equal and opposite reaction.

This week’s wingnuts are stirring the crazy pot with accusations and associations – on the right, former Alaska Governor Sarah Palin makes her debut appearance on the wingnut list with a fanatical Facebook rant and on the left all time wingnut Lyndon LaRouche resurfaces with an ugly new poster of the president as Adolf Hitler that is appearing at town halls.

It's hard to remember that Sarah Palin was unknown one year ago, before being nominated to serve as McCain’s VP in late August 08. Now no longer the Governor of Alaska, she remains a powerful political presence on the right and is considered a likely contender for president in 2012. There have been times when she’s been unfairly attacked in the past, but this past week she jumped the shark in my book, cementing her reputation as one of the most polarizing political figures in America with this fear-fueled outburst on Facebook to her friends and followers:

“The America I know and love is not one in which my parents or my baby with Down Syndrome will have to stand in front of Obama's ‘death panel’ so his bureaucrats can decide, based on a subjective judgment of their ‘level of productivity in society,’ whether they are worthy of health care. Such a system is downright evil.”

For sheer fear-mongering that aims at the heart of familial emotions this statement is perhaps unprecedented at the major league level of recent American politics. It should be needless to say that none of the various bills circulating through congress contains a "death panel." The outcry over her statements was so widespread that even partisan Republicans distanced themselves from her comments (in a refreshing bit of candor, Georgia Senator Johnny Isakson said Palin’s statement was “nuts.”) Soon Sarah Palin followed suit offering an apology and calling for more civility in our politics, but that only added insult to this injury.

Just as you can’t retreat to move forward or quit to fight even harder, you can’t wade into a policy debate by saying the president is going to kill your baby at the hands of a death panel and then call for civility.

Yesterday, Palin doubled down on her comments and tried to save some face – though this time avoiding the words “evil” or “death camps” and pointing instead to provisions of a House bill that she says would ration care to what she calls “unproductive” members of society. Her sidestep of those terms is its own commentary, but for those who want additional back-up, you can refer to our friends at PolitiFact.com, who rated her comments the coveted “Pants-On-Fire” rating. Sarah Palin, you’ve earned your membership in the Wingnut Hall of Fame.

On the left, old-time crazytown conspiracy theorist and quasi-cult leader, Lyndon LaRouche, made a surprise reappearance on the national political scene, earning him entry into the Wingnut Hall of Fame.

Wingnuttery at this summer's town halls has hit epic proportions, with unhinged attacks on President Obama ranging from accusations that he is everything from a communist to a fascist. But when posters began appearing showing President Obama with a Hitler-mustache, bearing the slogan “I’ve Changed,” the outrage was obvious. The source of the posters was not.

Lyndon LaRouche, himself a former communist and several-time fringe presidential candidate exists far off the political grid, but he's been most routinely associated with the left. When his self-styled followers have run for office in the past they have generally run in Democratic primaries. (Although they're probably best known – if at all – as people handing out conspiracy theory pamphlets on street corners and airports.)

The recent uptick in comparisons of the President of the United States to either communist or fascist dictators is just unacceptable. This is not political theater; it demeans our country to associate our democratically elected president with dictators who murdered millions in their names. Lyndon LaRouche is a crank who manages to dupe a few lost individuals every decade. This newest hate-fueled "addition" to American politics is just the latest and hopefully last reason to name Lyndon LaRouche a wingnut: a certified card carrying member of crazy town.

The opinions expressed in this commentary are solely those of John Avlon.


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  1. syracuse

    The DEATH PANELS are evil no matter who supports them. Frank Frisillo does not understand english very well. All you have to do is google section1233 of HR3200,go to the site and print pages424to434 and read it for your self.It would be so irresponsible to unleash all of these doctors and nurses and other medical people upon the millions of vulnerable people in hospitals,MENTAL HOSPITALS,assisited living centers hospice centers,NURSING HOMES,etc. to convince these people to sign an agreement for [voluntary??] treatment reduction to save the goverment money on health care cost! Think of your own loved ones and family members moms,dads,friends, grand parents and ask yourself , Am i confident they will resist the efforts of this wave of vultures descending upon them more and more often as they get sicker?This is an abomination!!God help us! These doctors wil be paid and rated according to the success of their efforts. MONEY is the root of this evil plan!!

    r

    August 18, 2009 at 3:44 pm |
  2. Frank Frisillo

    Rating for 3 cable news stations
    Fox News 3rd
    MSNBC 22nd
    CNN 23rd

    John, first of all the word news just doesn't fit with FOX. You know, that oxymoron stuff. Fox is an ENTERTAINMENT CHANNEL led by some of America's top comics, Bill O'Really, Sean Manatee, etc...

    Wiseman, these despicable death panels, as you call them, were at one time quite well supported by other idiots such as Hatch and that political party called the GOP. If you and syracuse, who lives just down the road from me, think that a panel of three, five, five thousand will decided who lives and who dies, I would suggest the term 'idiots' be reapplied to the two of you.

    August 18, 2009 at 12:47 pm |
  3. syracuse

    william bergeman,casual observer,and ken. welcome to america.I know you are from other countries because native english speakers have much better comprehension skills than any of you can ever hope to obtain.I suggest you start with the concept of critical thinking and buy yourselves a good american dictionary. With perseverance I am sure you can overcome your brainwashing. Give it up fellows The death panels or death consultations or end of life consultations are going to be eliminated from HR3200. Do you guys really trust your parents and loved ones and all the millions of vulnerable people in Mental Hospitals,and nursing homes and assissted living centers,etc.,to the end of life consultation panels who's explicit goal is to reduce health care cost. Think casual observer ,think critically not casually.Play the devil's advocate or are you afraid you will learn somthing from a moron like me? syracuse

    August 17, 2009 at 4:25 pm |
  4. wiseman

    casual observer, the only thing casual about you is your lack of understanding of the english language. Syracuse eloquently sums up section1233of Hr3200.These despicable death panels are disguised to idiots like you and frank frisilio and william bergeman and especially to that SUBMORON KEN. On the day the death panels come to recommend your koolaid don't, swallow. Parrots can speak english clearly but theit comprehension is like Ken's.

    August 17, 2009 at 3:35 pm |
  5. Frank Frisillo

    Can people please get off the death panel crap and stick to reality? Is it that hard? If you don't want any changes in health care, more power to you; but please keep the conversation to those issues on this planet and not Krypton. Thank you.

    August 17, 2009 at 12:42 pm |
  6. Dan

    So let me get this straight. Congress and the President say that the death panel does not exist. Sarah Palin comes out and says it does. Later, the Senate drops the "non-existant" death panel from the bill. And Palin is the wingnut?

    Palin faces ethics charges. She beats the charges and they are thrown out of court. Palin therefore must be an uneducated, unethical bimbo.

    Palin faced those drummed up charges, personal attacks on her family, and other non-sense. She did the right thing by stepping down to let someone else (not burdened by lame tactics) run the state. She put the needs of the state first. Yeah, that's crazy!

    Left/Liberal/Democrat = Always right. Right/Conservative/Republician = Always wrong. Yeah,that's good debate....

    Town hall protesters = terrorists and definitely unamerican mobsters with political backing. people protesting Bush = good, outstanding trying to fight for the good of everyone.

    And if nothing else fails...play the race card! I am so sick and tired of hearing about slavery. Yes, it was wrong. Yes, we still have a ways to go. But NO, not all white people are evil. Not every white person wants to "keep the black man down". And I am tired of hearing how whites should be punished for their "crimes" of slavery. Do they want to punish the descendants of the white people who fought against slavery also?

    Sorry, maybe I am just having a bad day. But I am so sick of stupid name calling and "politics as usual". And Yes, it goes BOTH ways. There are right/conservative/republicians which do the same thing as the people on the left. This, in no way, is to say that they are innocent. It is just that the left seems to have really stepped up the personal attacks lately and it is just plain stupid.

    Let's just get back to debating the issues for a change.

    August 17, 2009 at 10:50 am |
  7. RHammond

    I'm amazed at how supposed educated Americans listen to these people. It is 2009, and yet hate, bigtory and stupidity rules. I am done with these idiots and the media should be too. Palin is, without a doubt, a back woods moron. And she needs to shut up.

    LaRouche is unstable and needs meds.

    August 17, 2009 at 10:42 am |
  8. NYC REPUB

    john August 16th, 2009 1:19 am ET

    Rating for 3 cable news stations
    Fox News 3rd
    MSNBC 22nd
    CNN 23rd
    -------------------------------------
    High ratings don't mean that the truth is being spoken........it just means it's popular.
    It's like saying that just b/c American Idol produces top ratings, that everyone who wins the show, or appears on it, will be superstars like Madonna, MJ, Elvis, or the Beatles................................
    FOX can have their ratings....... I will listened to news w/ the facts behind it......Not just CNN either....There's PBS, and C-Span.

    August 17, 2009 at 8:58 am |
  9. thepope

    why can't the public understand what is going on with health care and being given the face up keep on critizing the messangers. where you care for these people or not you owe them respect. it will be you children and family that will paying for all the bill that we seniors can't because we will be gone=your grandkids and theirs will pay. you need to get on the positive boat before a large hole come into the bottom of your boat and there will be nobody to save you. leave them alone so they can do their job. if you realize it the first 200 days have not gone well at all and the polls are dropping. be careful what you say it can come full circle and get you in the butt.

    August 17, 2009 at 8:51 am |
  10. mike-sey

    Republican strategist Lesley Sanchez said this morning that people make a bit mistake if they underestimate Sarah Palin, thus proving that a good portion of Americans are morons, and the GOP is populated with liars and people who will believe anything.

    August 17, 2009 at 8:24 am |
  11. Richard, Kankakee, IL.

    These two are the worse type of American citizens, they want everyone to hate each other so that nothing but making the rich get far richer happens in this country! It's funny how she can give away checks to the people in Alaska, but when the rest of the country want a fair Healthcare System she is against helping the rest of the people in our country!

    August 17, 2009 at 6:54 am |
  12. Panda

    Honestly, here is Sarah Palin spitting out more BS that doesn't help our country move in any direction.

    It's time for us to move beyond "Obama is going to kill everyone you love." and actually get some real sense into our country's political system.

    August 17, 2009 at 3:56 am |
  13. Sick of it

    False equivalency. Tagging the left with Lyndon Larouche because you couldn't come up with someone *actually* on the left? For what, some need to impose "balance?" Sometimes there is no balance to the nutjobs out there. Stop trying to impose an equivalence where none exists. It's foolish.

    August 17, 2009 at 2:03 am |
  14. Ernie

    You're right guys Sarah is not a wingnut, and it's not fair to or right to call her that. So please stop it. She (Mrs. Palin) is a flaming "IDIOT", not worthy of being in the same political arena as any current level headed politician. No one on the right can possibly serious about her. A pretty face and a smile does'nt by you a pass in politics. So get over it, and drop her like a wet food stamp.

    I love to listen to a good debate, I like to hear valid seriuos points from both sides. But you guys keep it in the comical arena with folks like Palin, Rove, Limbaugh, Coulter, Beck and Hannity. All of them make pretty good money on the FOX NEWS comedy channel humoring the world, so lets keep them out of the political conversation. Thanks

    August 17, 2009 at 1:16 am |
  15. Mary Waynick

    CNN, trying to make Sarah Palin out to be VILE! the America
    Citizens knows what your doing.PLEASE DON'T BE AFRAID!!
    Shes just an Ordinary American Woman.

    August 16, 2009 at 11:29 pm |
  16. Shaelyn

    Sarah Palin- what a joke!!! I have always felt that CNN was the best news channel to watch but I am now doubting the fairness that they display. Bias is becoming reality on CNN. We have more important things to concern ourselves with than to give the outraged people that can't controll their anger and that listens to the untruth comments that Sarah Palin tells. Stop making things up Palin. I am ashamed to be a republican at this time. CNN please be fair to Obama!!!!!!!

    August 16, 2009 at 10:37 pm |
  17. Deb

    Someone on here wrote that Sarah Palin has a lot to offer this country. Now that person is a real nut job. Sarah Palin can teach us to hate, to hunt moose and how to insert a foot in our mouths on a regular basis.

    August 16, 2009 at 8:00 pm |
  18. Steady Crazier

    Sarah Palin is the best thing that ever happened to the democratic Party!!! I HOPE she does run for President next time.

    August 16, 2009 at 7:43 pm |
  19. Colin

    America needs health-care reform, we don't have the best health-care system in the world, and people who are sick and work 2 jobs can't afford their care without going into debt when they loose their insurance because of a pre-existing condition.

    I have a friend with lupus and the crap she's had to go through is downright criminal. Something has to be done, so get out of the way, this country deserves better than what we're getting. And just because you go to town-halls ranting and raving and carrying on, doesn't make anything better or add to the conversation that this country should have had before i was even born.

    And CNN, i can't believe you actually posted that vitriol that AmericanWingnutPatriot posted. That person obviously only comes here to spout what they've been hearing on Beck and Hannity. Anyone with half a brain can see through those two whack-jobs.

    /rant

    August 16, 2009 at 5:18 pm |
  20. K.P.C.

    I'm confused as to why the author of this piece would choose to compare Palin (on the right) to Larouche (on the left) . . .

    If you want to look for the far left (wingnut comments) you only need to look at the comments from over the last week from people like Pelosi, Ried, Frank, Clinton (both Clintons) as they describe those oppsed to the "Quick Fix Health Care Plan" (built in a few weeks under the Presidents original timeline) as people who are "Un-American", "Mobs", "Rabble Rousers" . . .

    The same people saying this now are the same ones that were SCREAMING that Bush was going to procaim Martial Law, All our Civil Rights are going to be repealed, There will be a new Kingdom of Bush!

    Not to mention Sect. Clinton's comparison of the U.S. Electoral system to that of Nigeria while on an overseas trip to Africa . . .

    It's funny that those same people screaming for everyone to loudly protest suddenly start saying that protesters are "unAmerican"

    August 16, 2009 at 5:12 pm |
  21. vettegal

    There's an old saying, "if it walks like a duck and looks like a duck, it's a duck". The same is true with rumors. "If it sounds unbelievable and crazy, it probably is". However, only people who have common sense and intelligence will be able to tell the difference and that leaves out all of the right wing evangelical republicans who are led like the sheep they are via fear tactics to the right wing's way of thinking.

    August 16, 2009 at 4:03 pm |
  22. Mouthy

    We are so over Palin she was a test dummy.... it didn't work out lets deflate her fold her up and put her back in the closet.

    August 16, 2009 at 3:15 pm |
  23. obamalimey

    If there was no Death Panel provision, then why did Sen. Grassley have it removed.?
    As usual the Obits are cranking up the Lie machine to spread there socialist agenda, and yes Larouche was a communist and a Liberal , you morons.

    August 16, 2009 at 3:02 pm |
  24. barb

    What I see in Sarah Palin, what ever else she is she is honest, someone that can connect with the average person, she just isn't phoney. What I see in Obama is an elitist, that tries too impress the rich and famous, and a person that will do anything he can too be a rock star.

    August 16, 2009 at 1:30 pm |
  25. drew

    I think we should throw them both into a pit and then throw an Obama doll in with them, with a real pair of Obama's socks on, and watch them go. My money's on Sarah.

    August 16, 2009 at 1:08 pm |
  26. denisef

    This woman is a propagandist......

    August 16, 2009 at 12:08 pm |
  27. I'm A Czar TOO!

    Ruthie stated, "
    Can CNN not post anything about the nutty Liberals?????? CNN,
    NBC, MSNBC can only report lies on individuals who love our country and wants to help! So afraid of Sarah Palin because she has so much to offer our country!!!!!!! Will 2012 ever get here so Obama will
    loose office to Sarah!!!!!!!!!!"

    Sorry Ruthie... But I don't "believe" there are enough idiots in the U.S. for that to happen. You are better served to pick a better candidate and perhaps make more intellectual arguments than stooping to kindegarten principles of conduct...

    August 16, 2009 at 12:07 pm |
  28. marymary4868

    Palin, you need mental help! Your about to fall off a cliff, NO Kidding , go see a dr. soon! You can't be president if your in the funny farm.

    August 16, 2009 at 12:04 pm |
  29. I'm A Czar TOO!

    Seriously, can people stop making mention of Czars specifically to Obama's administration? Do your freaking research. You will see that, via the bountiful information available to an avid Googler, there were plenty of Republicans that brought additional "Czars" on board.

    Just google Bush and Czar. Knowledge comes not from your asinine assumptions... This statement applies to Left, Right, and Center.

    August 16, 2009 at 11:59 am |
  30. D. Lewis

    I hear a lot of complaining but I don't hear any solutions, except for leaving the broken system the way it is and letting the insurance companies continue to bleed us dry. The same people whining about government control will be blaming the government for doing nothing (should this fail), 20 years from now, when health insurance premiums are triple what they are today. What has the republican party EVER done to keep out health costs down? Hint: Nothing, except to counter the Democrats who have AT LEAST tried to do something repeatedly.

    I'm not saying govt insurance is right but while you're all busy figuring out why its wrong (mostly based on lies and rumors), could you please take some time and come up with a plausible solution? I know......it's too much to ask. It's much easier to be a complainer.

    The Wingnuts are easy to spot. They're always mad, always acting out of anger, and refuse to see past their own narrow visions and selfish needs. And they're always hypocrites. Palin qualifies. She's an ex-pagent queen, who quit her job as the Governor of a state with less people than some major cities. On top of that it's a state that CANNOT survive without the handouts and pork projects she claims to hate so much. She's a nutjob who keeps her face in the news by saying stupid things. Anyone can do that. Reading some of the crazy responses in here, it's clear we've got plenty of people who can do what Palin does.

    If that's the new qualificaion for President, we obviously have no standards anymore. We might as well have Glenn Beck run in 2012. He can disect fish and make crayon drawings to show us dumb Americans how everything is a conspiracy. We can all buy his book and wear an official President Beck tin foil cap. According to him, being crazy is Common Sense.

    The majority of this nation is comprised of sheeple. They require someone telling them what to do. They join a political party to be part of ideas they don't have the brains to create themselves. They're the same fools that cannot stay out of debt. These are the same nitwits that bought overpriced homes, gas guzzling SUV's, and invested their money into a financial bubble they believed would last forever. Now that it has all fallen apart.....they of course blame the Democrats because their republican masters have told them to. The same people yelling and screaming are the people that can't manage their own houses and want someone else to blame for it. I doubt we can depend on them for good advice on how to run a Government either.

    If you just got laid off from you lush job, can't pay your mortgage, lost your money in the market, and can barely afford health care, the government isn't the problem, it's YOU!!!

    August 16, 2009 at 11:13 am |
  31. The Dude

    There are some of you who miss the point entirely. These people are not considered wingnuts because they do not agree with the President. It is the combination of lies and hate-filled tactics that make them wingnuts.

    August 16, 2009 at 10:29 am |
  32. NATHAN WIMBERLY

    President Obama will save these ignorant people in spite of themselves because he is a great leader doing God's will. Love America or leave it.

    August 16, 2009 at 10:02 am |
  33. ShameOnYouAll

    Shameful actions by the GOP gang of extreme right wing conservatives. The New Home Grown Terrorists. Fear, disinformation, hatred, dissent, divide and conquer is all they can offer the country. They call themselves patriots but will go to large efforts to tear down the democratic process and DENY others the due process just to get their way. It can all be boiled down to a Black Man being president of the USA. They can't stand it, they can't stand the fact that whites will be a minority in the very near future and it is driving the crazy with fear and worry. There will be health care reform. What we need to do is get the monkey of out backs of Special Interest Lobbyists in Washington. Send the whole armies of lobbyists back to their companies that only care about making money. Maybe the Health Care industry needs to be non-profit. Conservatives ran the country for 8 years and look where it got us. It is high time that this loud and vicious minority is put in its place, the scrap heap of failed history. As for the rest of us, lets work to make this a better place for all, including the fringe wackos.

    August 16, 2009 at 9:59 am |
  34. gordon

    Let me start out by saying I'm a Canadian FRIEND. I spend all my winters in your country and am grateful for that opportunity. I also think that I am better than average in understanding American Politics if understanding is technically possible. I follow the elections and news as closely as most Americans. I just watched your President convene a town hall meeting with dignity and respect. Everyone learned from the process. This person Obama is the best man I have seen in the political arena. I am 65 years old and anything but naive or stupid. Wether you voted for him or not, allow the man to lead as you will not find a better man on either side of the aisle in a very long time. Your country needs this man so badly. If it were possible, many countries including Canada would be happy to have him. What I have witnessed recently is a tragedy. Your beloved democracy appears to have degraded into a bad joke. May God help you.

    August 16, 2009 at 9:07 am |
  35. Jacob Morris

    The worst part about the Palin comments is that now that she's a known politician people will take her comments seriously. The whole idea of the death panel is absurd. Take a look at Canada's system, not perfect but definitely better than what you have. Health care is readily available to every member of society and no bureaucrat decides on the amount of care available because of the recipients "level of productivity in society". Everyone gets necessary, life-saving medical attention for free as well as access to a family doctor but not free prescriptions or dental. What's so bad about that?

    As well, in response to all those who allege this new health care reform is a front for socialism moving in, I guess the socialized public school system, socialized fire department and socialized police force are somehow different from socialized medicine. All are readily provided by the government to those who need it and they haven't led to some kind of social or communist revolution. If you're going to rally against social programs take a look at how much you enjoy not having to pay for a squad car to show up at your house if it's being robbed before you vilify social medicine.

    August 16, 2009 at 9:07 am |
  36. barb

    Canada may not have the perfect health care system, but we do respect our seniors, we know what they went through too give our generation what they have today. The comfort of their last years should not depend on people like Obama who is lucky enough too be able too reach in his pocket and pay for his grandmothers care.Where would Obama have been without his grandparents.

    August 16, 2009 at 8:25 am |
  37. Ken Keeton

    Why do we need to be bi-partisan. Lets just get a bill done with a public option. This should satisfy everyone except for the wingnuts... nothing will ever satisfy them. These people like Palin and her followers are just plain stupid.

    August 16, 2009 at 8:06 am |
  38. Unchristian

    News Flash:

    Despite popular belief, not everything that you read on the Internet is true! Research other sources before drawing a conclusion.

    August 16, 2009 at 7:47 am |
  39. Chris in Washington

    To Mr Avlon: Great article. You NAILED it.

    To CNN: You need more people like this guy. While I'd take issue with Libertarians being leftists considering the heavy presence of Friedmanite economic agenda's, they do have a large number of "Liberal" social agendas. ( I digress )

    Best CNN Article EVER.

    August 16, 2009 at 7:02 am |
  40. Elijah

    Wingnut on Left made no sense.If thats the best you can get from the left thats great. How can a wingnut from the left berate its candidate unless its Racially motivated.He attacked Obama as Hitler.Dems who do that to thier elected Candidate is treasonous to me. Terrible pick .Try harder or just say there are none directed at Republicans its Obama they target. Thats the "Racism" in it.Republicans attack Democrats not there own party until Beck,Limbaugh,Palin started talking "Psychotalk". Democrats attacking Obama is Racist.No Loyalty.

    August 16, 2009 at 5:24 am |
  41. Ian

    LaRoche is not a Libertarian. He has never been a Libertarian. The Libertarian has never had anything to do with that nutbar. Nor are his (insane) views even remotely related to those of either the Party or the concept of libertarianism in the least. How he ever became associated with libertarianism I can only guess, but it has done the movement endless harm. I can only theorize he calls himself a libertarian to discredit actual libertarians.

    August 16, 2009 at 4:25 am |
  42. LONA BRIGGS

    @ AmericanWingnutPatriot,

    Sounds like YOUR A WINGNUT TOO If you think PALIN GOT BRAINS FOR THE NATIONAL STAGE.

    GO RIGHT AHEAD AND MARCH TO DC ALL YOU WANT. THE USA WILL NEVER GO BACK TO THE STONE AGE BECAUSE WE DIVERSE PEOPLE OF ETHNICS & COLOR WILL NOT LET IT. SO GET OVER IT YOU SORE LOSER

    August 16, 2009 at 2:04 am |
  43. john

    Rating for 3 cable news stations
    Fox News 3rd
    MSNBC 22nd
    CNN 23rd

    Amazing how the liberal media is losing most of america. They see right thu the lies and misinformation. CNN was once the #1 cable channel. They have driven Conservatives and Independents away just like MSNBC. MSN NBC is so far out of the main stream they will never be a respected news outlet. CNN is shockingly behind them in the ratings. Obama is fading in the polls and those viewers are moving to Fox. Fox is breaking down the problems with the Cap & Trade bill and the Health care bill. CNN and MSNBC continue with Democratic Party talking points about "wing nuts" and "anrgy mobs"

    LIberals are on the wrong side of the issues and have resorted to name calling. The Liberals can't argue against Palin's positions, sio they attack her. She was right about the death panel as there was a provison in the bill. She got congress attention and now they are trying to remove that provison. She is impacting policy and that is political power. Liberals are so afraid of Palin because she represents the heartland of america. She is the one person who can swing for the fences and knockoff Obama. She has nothing to lose and that is very liberating for a canidate who can say what she really thinks and feels. Just like the folks at the health care town hall meetings. This is democracy and americans are getting off their butts and taking a stand on a critical issue.

    August 16, 2009 at 1:19 am |
  44. Matos

    What do you guys expect of somebody who went to 5 university just to obtain a bachalors degree. Did you guys not see the way she abandoned her job as a Governor of a blind state because she was overwhelmed.
    She reminds me of those low level thinking uneducated fools who like to make noise just to be heard.

    I hope she continue to make jest of her deficiencies and become a laughing stock always.

    August 15, 2009 at 11:11 pm |
  45. fred

    sarah palin is correct, if we have government run health care they will decide who is to live or die based on age and quality of life.i truely beleive this will happen and no one can covince me otherwise. let those who have no health insurance buy there own, that is over half the total of the unensured.

    August 15, 2009 at 10:30 pm |
  46. Orangie

    Avlon: get a clue. Your misquote of Palin is very telling you said: "what she calls 'unproductive' members of society" – The reason "unproductive" is in quotes is because she was quoting what Obama's health care policy advisor wrote! The fact that you didn't know she was quoting Zeke Emanuel tells me that you didn't bother to actually look into Palin's claims. Why don't you actually do some research before you make fool out of yourself. I suggest you start by actually reading Palin's blog, check up on her assertions and footnotes for accuracy and context and only then should you pass judgment on her – or you can just join the bandwagon of Palin haters, vote the party line, follow the crowd, drink the kool-aid.

    August 15, 2009 at 10:26 pm |
  47. LA Man

    Sarah Palin's commentary about "death panels" ..... got people's attention. It's been the news this week ..... and so, for that ..........
    I say, "Thank you, Sarah for waking people up to what could or
    could not happen with the unfolding Healthcare reform act that
    the Democrats are endeavoring to RUSH through Congress.'

    People do need to awaken from the Obama mesmerization-–
    and journalists need to start doing their job--reporting the facts .... not opinions. Everyone has an opinion-having one doesn't mean one is right. Most folks don't have a clue what's in the clue, but they DO have an opinion on it, don't they?

    Before it is over, America will be a welfare state, if it's left to Obama.

    The ancient Mayans predicted that the world would end in December, 2012. Did they have a divine insight into the fact that Obama might be "re-elected?" Woe is us.

    August 15, 2009 at 10:07 pm |
  48. casual observer

    syracuse , do a liitle deeper thinking, there are so many crooked people out there they would sell you the Brooklin bridge if they thought you could give them any money at all. Having a group of dr.s deciding if treatement (No mater how sever or worthwhile,or worthless ) could be helpfull or may prolong the death sentence by a day or so, would be a good thing. I for one, would like to die rather than suffer in agony having to drink liquid morphine for pain when everyone knows suffering painfull and terminal disease hurts all that have to witness it.

    August 15, 2009 at 9:01 pm |
  49. The left is scared!

    The only "Crazies" out there are those that think CNN doesn't work for Obama's Communist agenda.

    The left is petrified of Sarah Palin.

    Never, ever heard of this guy Avlon that wrote this piece!
    Just another member of the looney left!

    August 15, 2009 at 8:50 pm |
  50. redleg

    Why would anyone be upset that a president who follows Gestapo enhanced interrogation techniques (and it was the Gestapo who coined the phrase itself) would be compared to Hitler? Face it, Bush coonsiders it acceptable to arrest Americans off the streets of our towns and put them into military custody without charges, attorneys or any word to their families while subjecting to treatment that normally results in the police going to prison.

    August 15, 2009 at 8:37 pm |
  51. casual observer

    Up until that health care comment that came out of SP'S mouth,I had at least a glimmer of hope that she had the brainpower to at least read before she speaks,Ultimate first rule get both sides of the story first before shooting your mouth off right! would not vote for her now if she wanted to be a school yard monitor!

    August 15, 2009 at 8:32 pm |
  52. Bob Cuajao

    Sarah Palin a mother and private citizen shares her comments on Facebook and becomes the target of scorn from pusillanimous sycophants that are in abject fear of her. Why?

    August 15, 2009 at 8:09 pm |
  53. fc

    CNN is nothing more than a money-making shill of the right.....NOYT the "left". your commentators call lyndon larouche a "leftwinger" are you crazy? sarah palin is more leftwing than this man. there are zero leftwing or progressive groups that even exist (except for a few environmental groups) who say or do ANYTHING in vocal support of even leftwing ideals, let alone do the fascist activities that are the 24/7 bread and butter of nearly ALL republicans, and faithfully reported on/covered by CNN as representative of America. i especially love how your morbidly obese black christian pastor "reporter" so objectively represents racial issues on your shows, how your female reporters trash men ON AIR and receive zero negative punishment, how your coverage of gay issues (which consists of almost no coverage involves not a single gay reporter), how one looking at your station would assume that the USA is 99% minority, with all of the coverage of blacks that you shove down peoples' throats, to speak nothing of your crazy nonstop sensationalism of any real news. if CNN even placed an avowed progressive person on any of its shows, i think i'd pass out. enough with the propaganda you push, including this farce of a factual story.

    August 15, 2009 at 7:51 pm |
  54. TXPOPTOP

    ... so here we are again....

    The Right Wing "Neo-NAZI-Cons'.... so he**-bent and BOUGHT-OUT by the medical industry (that has no right to call itself a profession anymore).... all this discussion intended do divert the attention of the American people to one simple principle that has been stated and repeated and IGNORED again and again.... so people lets review.....

    THIS IS A PUBLIC OPTION.....

    In case you have been diverted by the EMPIRE of Rupert Murdoch lets review ONE MORE TIME.....

    THIS IS AN OPTION......

    So lets take a commercial break from the verbal diarrhea spewed out by 'Sara Baracuda' and Lyndon 'Never had a chance' and focus on the basic principle.....

    THIS IS AN OPTION.

    Lets review this word.

    OPTION.

    That means more CHOICES.....

    That would swing medical care perilously close toward .... o... I dont know.... lets think..... FREE FRIKKING ENTERPRISE?????? In a Democracy WE JUST CANT HAVE IT!!!!!

    ... which just might deter these politically connected pharmaceutical companies from charging .... gee let see... $12,0000 a month for ANTI-CANCER PILLS? Hmmm... But no.... these people are INFERIOR.... they dont have blue eyes and blonde hair.... unacceptable..... ZEIG HEIL BIG SMILE...

    These people are taking YOUR CHOICE AWAY FROM YOU.....

    August 15, 2009 at 7:46 pm |
  55. Drew Haney

    God only knows what these end of life "optional advisory" boards might become once entrenched. Maybe they will make an old person feel guilty about being a "burden" on the system after paying 25%-50% total taxes for 50 years.

    And BTW, if an "ignorant", unemployed Governor, posting a simple page on a Facebook, can have more impact on yet-to-be-defined healthcare legislation than all other Republicans and the majority-controlling Democrats; well, I'll take a dummy like her any day of the week.

    August 15, 2009 at 7:32 pm |
  56. Tyke

    For all of those criticizing CNN for this article and claiming that CNN is biased you are mistaken and clearly wrong. CNN is an entire news organization made up of INDIVIDUALS who are liberal, conservative, unaffiliated, and in the middle. This article was written by one individual expressing their own views yet still entirely based on fact. You will also find many conservative articles posted on this site. This is completely different from Fox where EVERYTHING had a conservative bias. Learn how to be objective, but I guess to do that, you'll need an education first.

    August 15, 2009 at 7:08 pm |
  57. aviator

    How many of you with these pro-con opinions have actually read "the bill"? How many are aware that the mantra of the libs(Obama) of 46 million 'uninsured' includes 12-13 million ILLEGAL ALIENS (compliments of the U.S Census Bureau)?
    That page 65 (or close by) stipulates health care for ACORN and another 'activist' group members will be paid by the 'reformed' health care plan?

    August 15, 2009 at 6:51 pm |
  58. the Boom

    So if everyone doesn't support Obama's "Socialistic" health care plan, why are they not protesting against the current "Socialistic" health care programs? Let's get rid of medicare, medicaide, the VA, the CDC, the FDA... these are all government health programs...

    August 15, 2009 at 6:24 pm |
  59. DA

    Wow! After reading only 8 comments, I never could imagine the seething hate (my observation) directed towards the democratic process. We elected a president that would make change from 8 years of (2) wars (thanks George for taking your eye off the ball with Iraq), no government foresight after combat, government failure in response to Katrina (Brownie did his best), de-regulating large industries (Enron, Wall Street , and Bank CEO's nearly causing an economic collapse). It seems those opposed to Obama's vision prefer the previous adminstration's accomplishments to some having a better vision of ourselves who is also of mixed ancestry.

    August 15, 2009 at 6:23 pm |
  60. Brandon

    'Adolf' Hitler is spelled with an 'f,' not 'ph'.

    August 15, 2009 at 6:22 pm |
  61. gekonge bwosano

    Sarah Palin is a joke, a cartoon character, a failure and a mental case. Before she thinks of 2012 she should tell us why she could not govern Alaska, why her family and Britney Spears, resemble.

    August 15, 2009 at 5:44 pm |
  62. Ken

    Reality to 'syracuse': you can put a cork in it now. Except for you true-blue flat earthers, this death panel lie has been discredited from every corner, leaving some high-profile original supporters stepping and ducking embarrasingly away now. This nonsense is the epitome of the rightwing stupidity being unleashed in the name of wishing to see Obama and this nation fail. If you really did read all 11 pages of the document you reference and you really did come to the conclusion you claim, you are a purposeful moron....much worse than stupidity and ignorance. You are an uber-partisan hack with no honor, a member of America's home-grown taliban.

    August 15, 2009 at 4:40 pm |
  63. William Bergmann

    Avlon is right on target, we can tell by the loony responses. Palin is the best thing to happen to liberalism since Gingrich, I hope she keeps it up.

    August 15, 2009 at 4:21 pm |
  64. mary-miami

    Palin is using typical republican lies and scare tactics. Seems that the right wing party is desperate when it has to resort to this.
    No where, no way has there been anything said about people losing their freedoms or rights....She is simply making things up.

    August 15, 2009 at 4:15 pm |
  65. William Bergmann

    syracuse is a lunatic. Being afraid of advice about end of life matters is absurd. people like syracuse would prefer the advice of someone selling invisible men in space fantasies. You fear what you do not understand. Think about it!

    August 15, 2009 at 4:14 pm |
  66. Edward

    Get over it. The democrats have won. Elections have their consequences. President Obama's ideas may not all work. However, it is refreshing to have a president who works hard for the American people.

    August 15, 2009 at 4:12 pm |
  67. syracuse

    These death panels will become reality if the bill passes as it is presently written, but they will be called end of life consultations. All you have to do is download it pages 424to 434 of Hr3200. Just google [section1233 HR 3200].Download it and read all 11 pages. Then ask yourself this question, Do I want thousands of doctors and nurses and other medical personnel visiting millions of people in thousands of hospitals,nursing homes,hospice centers,MENTAL HOSPITALS,asssisted living homes,etc ,and consulting them on living wills and the range of medical treatment they should choose [ranging from full treatment to NO treatment] with the goal of reducing health costs and with the incentive of money to motivate them to obtain agreements for Less care. Think about it! Do you think all of these people can be trusted to not abuse this situation? Your own parents and loved ones are potential victims. what do you think all of these vulnerable people think about this dangerous idea?

    August 15, 2009 at 3:36 pm |
  68. Veta

    It's amazing the rantings and obvious digust the GOP core and it's wingnut peanut section have demonstated ever since President Obama won the election. These folks are genuinely scared of having a very intelligent, progressive Black man as President in the White House. It's pitiful, they can't even hide their racism.

    August 15, 2009 at 3:33 pm |
  69. Ruthie

    Can CNN not post anything about the nutty Liberals?????? CNN,
    NBC, MSNBC can only report lies on individuals who love our country and wants to help! So afraid of Sarah Palin because she has so much to offer our country!!!!!!! Will 2012 ever get here so Obama will
    loose office to Sarah!!!!!!!!!!

    August 15, 2009 at 3:13 pm |
  70. keith in canada

    ...here in Canada we all cannot believe what is gong on in the USA. You gotta be nuts not to want government sponsored universal healthcare... it is so much better not worrying about poor health leading to financial ruin, a blessing to those that are old and the ill, and more compassionate to the poor. You are destroying a very wonderful gift because of corperate self-interest and partisan hatred. You guys got to learn to take care of one another, it makes for a better world.

    August 15, 2009 at 2:51 pm |
  71. you say what??

    Even though I do agree both of these people are self-serving wingnuts, Lyndon LaRouche certainly does not appear to be "on the left".
    He is a self-proclaimed Libertarian.

    August 15, 2009 at 2:44 pm |
  72. MrWright

    Ms. Palin talks, with contempt, about the so called "Death Councils" that seemingly interfere with an individuals right to medical treatment; Big Brother interfering in the lives of American citizens.And yet her supporters want to take away the rights of others; the right to an abortion and the right of a same sex couple to to marry. It has been shown over and over that these so called "Death Councils" are simply not true. Why is it that she can say such stupid things that make her and her supporters look like such imbeciles and hypocrites and defend her statements?

    August 15, 2009 at 2:06 pm |
  73. Theresa

    I think she should go back home and stay their. So is just maken unwanted trouble.
    Everyone problem is that they want to take orders from one of color and there you just haven't came out all the way.

    August 15, 2009 at 1:37 pm |
  74. Rebekah

    If you are against health care reform, why is it ok for the congressman and senators to have the best health care available and yet you feel that Americans shouldn't have access to there government health care? Hello, we pay for them to have excellent coverage and they are against us having the same type of benefits! I do not understand why Americans hate each other so much. If we are not careful we will have another civil war in this country, and that is truly scary. The hate that is spewing will continue to build until we have neighbor killing neighbor, brother killing brother, because we cannot and will not get along to make a stronger America.

    August 15, 2009 at 1:35 pm |
  75. Deb

    I have to laugh at the person who wrote," I findit no more ridiculous than the arWhile it may sound a little nutty for people on the right to say health care reform is going to create “death panels”, I find it no more rediculous than arguments I hear from the left saying that you can’t trust the insurance companies or private heath care simply because they make a profit (at what? saving lives? Whats wrong with that?). "

    Last tine I checked, Insurance companies do not save lives. Doctor's, nurses and certain medical technologies save lives.

    There are nuts on both sides, the right just have dumber one's. Sarah Palin is the Dem's secret weapon.

    August 15, 2009 at 1:29 pm |
  76. Yesi

    It is amazing how many people dont get it. All president Obama is trying to do is HELP us. It is not that hard to understand. The right wingnut wackos, who are lying about everything, somehow are able to brainwash these slow minded people who truly dont understand or care to know the facts. What part of, healthcare industrys will no longer be able to deny people with pre-existing conditions, double our premiums, co-pay, deductibles, and drop and/or deny coverage to their existing customers dont these slow minded people understand? All President Obama wants to do is provide us with a government option IF we want it. What is so evil about that? He has already mentioned how it will be paid for, and how the government is NOT trying to take over the healthcare industry!!

    August 15, 2009 at 1:26 pm |
  77. Audrey

    Maybe the title should be 'Crazy Palin, LaRouche stirring the Healthcare pot'

    August 15, 2009 at 1:24 pm |
  78. Jarod

    Vic , get a clue. I can tell you didnt do a lick of homework AND youve mis stated several facts like your right winged counter parts. I challenge ALL of you opponents to actually READ the darned document (and not the one re-written and interpreted by right wing nuts) And you will see that you have nothing to fear and even more to feel safe about. Again, the cons being fed to you and countless other braindead folks is being fed to you by Big Corporate types who could care less about your health. Now if my name calling kept you from hearing the truth, you now understand what you and your cronies are doing to the rest of America.

    August 15, 2009 at 1:09 pm |
  79. Michele

    Since there is no Senate bill yet, Palin and Grassley both lied when they said the end-of-life discussion provision has been taken out. When? Since the Congress has been on vacation? Are Grassley and Palin suddenly the co-writers of the bill? bet the other five committee members are not aware of that.
    Palin is an American, and thus free to say whatever she pleases, but I am so tired of her pompous pronouncements about what is best for 'her' America, and her flat out lies that began a year ago with her much ballyhooed speech. Remember that? She said that she said "No Thanks," to the bridge, when in actuality she took the money and used it for other projects (as directed by the federal government.) That was her first national lie, and there are so many others. I really believe she cannot tell the truth. She says what will get press coverage and make headlines. I wish we could call a moratorium on Palin coverage for a week....the interest in her would die a quick death.

    August 15, 2009 at 12:20 pm |
  80. Save america from extremists

    During these uncertain economic times the extremists on the right are using fear on many Americans to help further the cause of doing nothing for Obama, of course unless it means doing something for their own extreme interest.
    I think the American people and voters have been here and seen these actions from the extremists wing previously. Americans will need to stand up and be heard on any discussion especially at townhall meetings for which these are important to our American values. These discussions being held for Health Care issues were never held for the 2nd Iraq war because the GOP is not interested in other American opinions except for the far Right Wing extremists input.
    Nine years ago, a candidate for president promised Americans that he would unite the country – at a time when it seemed that's just what America needed. Instead, by 2004, America saw a country that had become more divided. America was now in two wars; its popularity in the world was slipping, in part due to its invasion of Iraq ; Congress had become even less effective than it was when it was deeply mired in partisan politics at the end of the Clinton years; and the economy had begun to show signs of a slow hemorrhaging.
    Nine years later, after two terms of the promised “uniter,” George Bush, America finds itself with an economy on the brink of disaster – a result of reckless spending and mismanagement by a Republican administration that ran on the platform of smaller, effective government and fiscal responsibility. The American economy has a long way to go to recover in 2009, but recovery will never be soon enough for Americans that just need a fair chance to help themselves. Health Care that is fair to all Americans may just be the only change or improvement that some Americans may need to help themselves and help Americans keep chasing their American Dreams.
    How long before you think one of those extreme right wing militia nut-jobs whips out an assault rifle at one of these town halls? Remember the cries of "Kill him!" at the Palin rallies? The threats of armed insurrection at the tea parties? The Homeland Security assessment that the radical right wing groups are a terrorist threat? The right wing nut head case that shot the abortion doctor?

    August 15, 2009 at 11:32 am |
  81. teri

    In light of the fact that Congress has removed the "so-called death panel" language from the Health Reform Bil which didn't exist according to the Administration, I believe an apology is in order for Sarah Palin.

    How could language which did not exist be removed from the bill?
    USE YOUR COMMON SENSE IF YOU HAVE ANY to figure that one out!

    teri

    August 15, 2009 at 11:32 am |
  82. Bill Lee

    Bush must have been one of the most STUPID and irresponsible president of America.

    The health system was bad then and the majority of Americans wanted the system changed. Obama has come out with a plan but he is not being given a chance. Is this the outcome of a democratic country where every issue have a 50-50 debate because of its bipartisan system of democracy. C'mon!

    August 15, 2009 at 11:28 am |
  83. Bill Lee

    We are seeing the decline of America, the once mighty nation. America is the centre of loonies, sodom and gomorrah similarities. When a nation becomes proud and arrogant and its people become fearless of God, you can just feel the wrath of God upon them.

    Palin is beyond a joke. She can't think beyond a 5th grader and yet the STUPID 'conservatives' support her in preference for Obama??

    Wake up America – you are almost a pariah nation.

    August 15, 2009 at 11:22 am |
  84. Tori

    To AmericanWingnutPatriot

    Let us all know what your panel of professionals have to say when they finish reviewing the status quo alternative as well.

    And you need to take a deep breath before you give yourself a heart attack...it could lead you to the desk of the ER where I was this morning- the receptionist praying for healthcare reform to pass as I paid her the $125 co-pay that was only $35 four years ago.

    August 15, 2009 at 11:19 am |
  85. wheels

    I really don't care what Palin has to say, because it's all intended to rile up the uninformed. As far as gov't. run health care, if people hate it so much, they should give up their medicare, or sign away their RIGHT to have it at 65. I don't see a lot of people demanding to have private insurance over Medicare. My private insurance will go up 10% this year–last year it was 28%. I couldn't switch plans–my employer gets to decide who insures us. Then I'm told that in addition to paying more for healthcare, my employer can't afford to give me a cost of living wage increase due to health care costs. After all of this, I hear marginal news reports that certain health care companies are posting record profits. This is FREEDOM? This is what free market competition has done for us. The insurance companies have had 15 years to fix this problem, yet their innovative companies have come up with nothing that helps cover the uninsurable–those that need it the most. Their innovation has gone into how to make more money for themselves. Health insurance companies have financially strangled people in this country. Take my $3,600 that I pay to my insurance company for 80/20 coverage and give it to the govt. At least they'll cover the uninsured. By the way, only the rich in our country get the "best medical care in the world." The poor don't access care and die everyday from lack of treatment.

    August 15, 2009 at 11:01 am |
  86. Chipster

    Larouche is a Libertarian, not a Liberal. Reading some of these posts is pretty scary. AmericanWingnutPatriot believes a "death panel" section was secretly and quickly removed from one of the proposed Bills as soon as Palin made her comment about it. Even Palin hasn't made a claim that foolish. INow there's the nonsense about allowing funds to be transferred from private bank accounts! Nothing could be further from the truth. Medicare will not be cut by millions, billions, or trillions – however, allowing Medicare to negotiate better drug prices (banned by the Bush Administration) will result in huge savings while providing the same service.

    The proposed Bills can be read on the Library of Congress website so anybody should be able to make those decisions for themselves.

    Stop believing every ridiculous rumor. If it sounds crazy, maybe it is so check it out before having a hissy fit.

    August 15, 2009 at 10:47 am |
  87. ed

    i hope someone reads this and really understands where im coming from. i am not a "wingnut" i am a moderate, and am registered independent. i am on the fence on this bill (HR 3200) but am leaning against it. for a major reason. i have read much of the bill. the problem i have is that nothing in it is expressly stated. everything is left to interpretation of what a certain collection of words mean.

    i keep hearing this: " people on [left/right] keep spewing misinformation" or something along that line.

    i would like someone to tell me, according to who or what is any information accurate or inaccurate? there is not one thing in this bill that is concrete. yes some people are taking it too far (death panels). but i also think it is safe to say that when our congressmen and president tell us what they THINK is in it, that they either don't know, or could easily just be giving us the interpretation that we want to hear. with so much ambiguity in this bill it is easy for it to be misconstrued.

    what i want to know is, how can i support a bill i when i cannot be absolutely certain what it says even reading it myself.

    why should i trust ANY politician to offer me there interpretation of it?

    why should anyone HAVE to interpret it for me? this is law that will change all of our lives! why does it need to be so vague?

    and finally how can any one of you out there say that what you think the bill says is really what its trying to say? and how can any of you know that the way you read it, is the same way our congressmen read it and plan to use it??

    the problem is, you can't. none of us are clairvoyants. all you can really do is decide to trust your politicians. i for one have never trusted any politician, and that is why i am having a hard time. if anyone has any insight on this, id be glad to hear it.

    August 15, 2009 at 10:42 am |
  88. Unchristian

    The saddest part of these comments is that most here claim to be Christian, and yet the comments are far from anything the Bible teaches. Comments such as "Take our country back", are what the radicals terrorists are shouting too.

    Let me ask you this, what party was Christ? What kingdom was he for? What did Jesus tell Peter when he drew his sword to protect him from those who came to arrest him? Where is your faith and trust that God will fix things in his due time? Do and say what you want, that is your right. But please leave God out of it. Do us all a favor and stop calling yourselves Christians!

    The real blame lies with the church leaders who promote this non-christian behavior. If they don't promote it, they turn a blind eye for the sake of money and membership.

    The main theme of the Bible is God's Kingdom. Obviously your church does not teach this. Think of literally the millions who are losing faith because of your actions.

    August 15, 2009 at 10:30 am |
  89. Kieran

    I find that this health care debate it filled with many ironies. Many of the people opposing it worry about government bureaucrats
    taking away their medical choices yet they are not appalled by insurance bureaucrats that routinely deny them or their families life saving health care for pre-existing health conditions all in the name of greed. Also, others being particularly being vitriolic about the proposed legislation often are on Medicare and Medicaid which are by definition "socialist" programs enacted by democrats. Yet many of these people don't want to give those benefits up. That being said I would defend the right of my fellow Americans to disagree with me on this and other issues with my life as this is the heart of democracy. I would just urge people to research things themselves and then form an opinion. Go to the bill itself not some bloviating politician or misinformed person just screaming and urging violence. Democracy depends on the electorate..us...being informed for our country to thrive and be a shining example to the world.

    August 15, 2009 at 10:28 am |
  90. RO

    Sarah, please hire an interpreter to help you understand what living wills are.. because of YOUR LIES, the insurance companies will not pay for counseling between the patient and doctor. May just review my living will (which I have had done years ago in my 30s) with my doctor and send you the bill. Take off your blinders!

    August 15, 2009 at 10:24 am |
  91. bmialone

    Wow. A lot of these letters written in defense of Sarah Palin sound like they too were written by nut jobs.

    People! Get a grip and actually learn something before you go ballistic, because you have no idea how foolish you come across to others, especially those better informed.

    Badboy, if those three Dems are the closest you've ever seen to a Hitler, you aren't very old and you are exceedingly ignorant about Hitler and the Nazi Party. There are no elected leaders in our country, on either side of the aisle, who deserve being compared to Hitler or Nazis.

    As for Palin, I live in Alaska and Palin cares about only one thing, her own career and climb to the top. She will do whatever it takes and is pandering to extremists on the right to build her base. Her fans should learn more about her record in Alaska, not just as governor, and read up on why she became so unpopular to Alaska voters before going wacko in her defense.

    August 15, 2009 at 9:46 am |
  92. dingo

    As a citizen of the world watching what is going on in America, I may be able to provide a fresh perspective. The 8 years the Bush was in office was a stain in the history of the US, at least in the eyes of the rest of the world. Secrecy, lies, hidden interrogation / detention facilities, a war of choice, as opposed to necessity.

    Love or hate Obama, you do have to admire that he did open up the debate to the American people in a manner that is unprecedented. If he was really a socialist, liar, thief and all the other world some people in this forum have used, the issue of health care would not be up for debate. He would simply make a unilateral decision and do this behind closed doors, like what you saw in the 8 years prior. Instead, the townhalls are providing a vehicle for free speech.

    Also, speaking as an outsider, I must say that the world is watching these townhalls with disgust. Where is the actual debate amongst all of the yelling? Isn't America the land of Harvard and Yale? And do people on all sides of this really want to be represented by "wingnuts?" I hope that there is more to the left and right than these crazies. And make no mistake, they are nothing more than crazies.

    A short note about Sarah Palin, the world sees her a stereotypical dense American bimbo, no different than an actress or celebrity – no substance, just a waste of time and air, yet catapulted to celebrity because America worships celebrity. Do you really want someone like that representing you in a World Leaders' Forum? Those who accuse Obama of being a celebrity forget that he is a Harvard laywer who has singlehandedly and swiftly reminded the world that America is more than what is seen on Jerry Springer and the Simple Life.

    So, debate on, but remember, the world is watching. It is very difficult to convince foreigners that Americans are not self serving, selfish and rude people when not only can you not take care of your own, but can even be respectful when debating how to do it. I believe there is more to America, you just have to stop letting these crazies represent you.

    August 15, 2009 at 9:43 am |
  93. margaret

    When Sarah (former governor, she quit) quotes "death panel" and "level of productivity in society" who is she quoting? Who's making stuff up now?

    August 15, 2009 at 9:25 am |
  94. dan

    Palin has already proven herself to know nothing. she refused stimulus money that her state really needed and after she quit ( my parents taught me when you start something you finish it too) the first order of business was to secure that money for the energy industry. At any rate she left because the heat was to high in the kitchen now she needs to go away.

    August 15, 2009 at 8:43 am |
  95. joe

    I think Avalon is a wing nut, I wonder how he can even keep a job, Sara is a good woman & more honest than other politicians, I wish her well & she will make alot more money than Avalon.

    August 15, 2009 at 7:49 am |
  96. Shirley

    When Sarah Palin makes a true statement it's "nuts". Other politicians can say the same thing and it's accepted. Liberals had better understand that she has a huge following. Perhaps none of you read what Ezekial Emannuel (health advisor to the President and he isn't even a medical doctor) wrote about children under two and adults over fifty. What she described is EXACTLY what they have in mind.

    August 15, 2009 at 6:59 am |
  97. Isabelle

    Thank you, Mr. Avlon. Sarah Palin garners absolutely no respect for millions of Americans. Those select few that support her ignorant rantings raise eyebrows, to say the least. I applaud the republicans distancing themselves and hope they remain disassociated, disconnected, and dismiss her permanently as a relevant political figure. That would be refreshing.

    LaRouche is simply a disgrace.

    August 15, 2009 at 6:54 am |
  98. Bruce Turner

    The gang of politicians presently in power, Democrats, Republicans with Obama included talk to us about the proposed health care bill they are pushing and want us to think all we need to know about the bill is what they are telling us. They stand in front of us and talk out of both sides of their mouth, they have a bad habit of miss speaking and tell us there is much urgency in passing the bailout, TARP, Cap and Trade and now something only a small number of Americans want.
    Let us see this 1,000 page Health Reform bill, on paper, for all to digest and I don’t care if it is work in progress. We can’t respond to our representatives if all we know is the candy they are telling us. We have asked how is this going to be funded and the answer is “self funded at no extra cost to the taxpayers”. Do our elected officials think our beurocrats are actually going to make anything more efficient? The people know, the problem with our present health care is the government, not President Bush, not Capitalism, but the law makers who create the bills that drive up the cost of living.
    Anybody except a politician would look at the number of frivolous, health related law suits, or in fact, all frivolous law suits and start there with cost reduction. I won’t insult your intelligence by telling you why law makers won’t touch this out of control problem.

    August 15, 2009 at 6:27 am |
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