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November 18th, 2009
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An oath to the Constitution, not the president

By Jim Acosta

In the first two parts of our series, “Patriots or Extremists?” we looked at the growth of private militias in this country. Now we turn to a group whose founder says he doesn't need a militia. That's because his organization is recruiting its members... right out of the military and law enforcement.

Just a couple of miles off the Las Vegas strip inside a casino ballroom, dozens of men and women are taking an oath. An oath, they say, to the Constitution of the United States – not to the president.

"If we're going to watch while our country dies and think that there's nothing we can do about it, we're wrong," says Richard Mack, a former sheriff.

They call themselves the "Oath Keepers," and last month they held their first national conference.

The group's founder, Stewart Rhodes, a former Army paratrooper and staffer for Congressman Ron Paul, says his members recite a revised version of the oath that's used for enlistment in the Armed Services, but they exclude this phrase: "I will obey the orders of the President of the United States."

"Our role is not to be obedient to whoever happens to be the leader. Our role is to defend the Constitution and the republic," says Rhodes.

The Oath Keepers aren't in Las Vegas looking for gamblers. They're seeking out police officers, sheriff's deputies, military veterans, even active duty members of the Armed Forces. If you've taken an oath to protect this nation, the Oath Keepers want you.

So are the Oath Keepers a militia group? “We don't need to be. We're the military and the police," says Stewart.

The Oath Keepers call on their members to disobey any orders, as they put it, "to disarm the American people," or "to force citizens into detention camps." It's a pledge Rhodes recites in an anti-Obama DVD called: "The Fall of the Republic."

Mark Potok, who monitors extremist groups for the Southern Poverty Law Center, says the Oath Keepers are exploiting false rumors found on fringe Web sites.

"Many of the Oath Keepers are people who believe martial law is about to be imposed it is right around the corner," says Potok.

Rhodes insists his group is not anti-government and not anti-Obama.

Read Jim's follow-up to the 'Patriots or Extremists?' series

Brian McGough with the Democratic-leaning veterans group Votevets.Org worries soldiers in the Oath Keepers will pick and choose which orders to follow, disrupting the chain of command.

"All they're doing is hurting their unit. All they're doing is hurting the military and all they're doing is hurting their friends. They should really think about that."

Critics say the Oath Keepers simply vindicate this recent report from the Department of Homeland Security that warned "right-wing extremists will attempt to recruit and radicalize returning veterans."

The DHS declined to comment for this story, but Rhodes blasted its report at the founding of the Oath Keepers earlier this year.

The group was founded at the site of the first shots fired in the American Revolution - Lexington, Massachussets.

As for those orders the Oath Keepers say they will not obey – there is no proof that the government is building detention camps around the country. And there are no proposals coming from the White House or Democratic leaders in Congress for new gun control laws. The Department of Homeland Security has no comment on the group.


Filed under: Controversy • Patriots or Extremists
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  1. Emerson Cole

    It seems new groups such as "The Oath Keepers" are merely resuscitating the idiotic "patriot groups" of the 1980s. There is a bitter irony that such "patriotic" groups as "The Oath Keepers" do not object to Bush's Patriot Act and the numerous other breaches of law by the Bush administration. Where were "The Oath Keepers" when our military servicemen tortured prisoners in Abu Ghraib? It seems these right-wing groups only wish to defend the Constitution when it tramples on their rights and not the rights of others.

    November 18, 2009 at 10:56 am |
  2. Rick Geary

    Militia groups can be dangerous, i.e., Oklahoma City. They capitalize on people's fears to further their own cause. Beneath the surface of their rhetoric and absurd logic is ethocentrism and racism. They remind me of a small group of true believers in Germany after WWI.

    Recently, reactionary groups such as the Oath Keepers, Michigan Militia, Tea Party, have been given far too much attention on the national media. While we need to be aware of these groups, giving them airtime on CNN or other national news networks makes them appear larger and more important then what they are and allows them a platform to espouse their extremist ideas.

    I agree with the Oath Keepers on one thing, the right to bear arms. We clearly need the tools to protect ourselves against these fanatics. Foremost in this arsenal is our intelligence.

    Rick

    November 18, 2009 at 10:44 am |
  3. R W Jacobsen

    Mr. Acosta;

    I am not an Oath Keeper, nor do I belong to any grope or originations of the sort.
    I am a veteran of fourteen years of military service. (1962 to 1974) I do have a CCW permit and go armed 99% of the time.
    In your report this morning you stated. “You did not see or find any circumstance that this administration was working to restrict gun ownership”.
    I suggest with respect, do your home work in a more diligent manner.
    Look at CIFTA Gun Treaty Removes Congressional Oversight.
    Inquire as to what is being tried to be put in new OSHA regulations, that a person with a CCW will not be aloud to keep their firearm in their car as the law requires on the property of their employer.
    On and on this administration is doing it’s best to remove the gun rights of American citizens.
    I will ask you and others to put your gun fear into the context of common sense!
    Please keep in your mind, law enforcement 99% of the times are “after the fact”! They are termed “First Responders” they are the first to respond “”after”” human beings have been killed or severely wounded. We that take on the responsibility of carrying a firearm are immediate responders. I *refuse* to lay behind cover, if I can find cover and look on as people are butchered or to stand and be killed at best, without a manner to defend the one’s I love, myself or others!
    Put yourself or a loved one standing in a line as the persons at Fort Hood, Tex? In comes a person, their reason for being there? To kill as many people as they can!
    Unless I am the first person killed, the person bent on killing for the sake of killing is “Stopped” in their tracks.
    In a perfect world the need to be armed can be argued!
    Unfortunately the world we live in is far from perfect and will not in the foreseeable future ever be that way. Until then I will keep faith in 45 cal.

    RWJ,

    PS

    Yes I do carry my gun out to the mailbox, to carry a gun is a commitment, it becomes a part of the person carrying it. To become proficient at anything, one must be dedicated to it!

    November 18, 2009 at 10:42 am |
  4. Rosie LA

    Tell it to Oliver North

    November 18, 2009 at 10:42 am |
  5. Karen

    Did any one point out that the constitution provides for the election of the Presdident. So, in defending the Constitution they are in fact supporting whoever is elected regardless of political party.

    Also, unlike the 10 commandments, the Contitution is a fluid instrument which has been amended many times- including the Bill of Rights which they staunchly preserve.

    While I'm at it- this healthcare debate has been declared unconstitutional for the selective defenders but the Preamble to the Constitution reads"We the people... provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare..." This is commonly interpreted to mean health and well-being.

    November 18, 2009 at 10:37 am |
  6. aysha

    look at what you people are writing? look how hateful you are..
    towards your OWN nation.
    we are the people.. and we always will be.
    do you even know what goverment was even made for in the very begining? .. goverment was built.. to PROTECT you, all of you.. it was built to serve you.. and PROTECT YOUR RIGHTS.. its to give us structure, and a reason to be.

    without goverment.. our nation WILL FALL.

    no one is going to take your guns.. its a right u have.
    no one is going to detain anybody.. u have your rights.
    OUR soldiers DIED for us to even have these rights.. and they are STILL DYING to this very day IN WAR.. for u to KEEP these rights.
    how dare you people mock.. and abuse your powers.. how dare u disrespect and speak such RUMORS... and LIES.. and HURTFUL.. UNLREALISTIC STATEMENTS...
    people died so you can have the freedom of speech and press..
    ask your self are we grateful?.. or are we SPOILED BRATS.. SHELTERED?

    you should be GRATEFUL.. we dont live in famine.. poverty.. or have inhumane dictators..

    think about it..
    who are we?

    what does it really mean to be an american?

    are we grateful.. just people.. or are we sheltered, spoiled ungrateful, greedy people.
    ?

    whats the reputaion u want to uphold?
    i am proud to be american.. but i am ashamed of my people.. other nations look at us and they see "ugly americans" we speak with money.. we should be speaking with our hearts.

    -aysha reanne.

    November 18, 2009 at 10:35 am |
  7. Lil Missy

    Where was all this when we had Bush as our President? I know having Barack as our President is a huge step to a better future–but it had to happen some time! And not including our President now is just wrong.

    November 18, 2009 at 10:35 am |
  8. Bob Nicholson

    I have heard many people claim that various proposals now being considered violate the Constitution. If you are going to make that accusation, please cite the specific clause of the Constitution being violated.

    After all, any accusation should be specific to be credible.

    Much of what is written here is nothing more than rumor; the barking of dogs in the night.

    November 18, 2009 at 10:31 am |
  9. Dawn

    Michelle – Thank you!!! I couldn't have said it better myself!

    November 18, 2009 at 10:26 am |
  10. Melissa in CA

    make up your minds, people. I thought everyone was still outraged about Kent State and the Japanese interment camps. Apparently not.

    This is not a fringe militia group. They are regular law enforcement and military personnel that promise not to infringe on YOUR RIGHTS so something like a Kent State or interment camps never happen again.

    The tin foil about "president hating" is thick around here! The white people comment is just plain sick – their are people of color in law enforcement and the military who believe that you and all american citizens should be under their watch! Please, get informed.

    November 18, 2009 at 10:26 am |
  11. Aiken Digit

    Come on people, let's get real here. The only reason these so called Patriot Militia groups are springing up is because President Obama is a black man. How many minorities are members of these groups? I did not see one person of any color other than white, in any of these groups. Where were these groups when Bush/Cheney were raping the constitution?

    President Obama did not create the mess this country is in. He inherited it from the right wing fanatics. And that's all these groups are, right wing fanatics, or should I say WHITE wing fanatics.

    BTW I'm a white man.

    November 18, 2009 at 10:22 am |
  12. Matt

    Taken from their website...the ideas they hold dear and the basic premise of their group:

    1. We will NOT obey orders to disarm the American people.

    2. We will NOT obey orders to conduct warrantless searches of the American people

    3. We will NOT obey orders to detain American citizens as “unlawful enemy combatants” or to subject them to military tribunal.

    4. We will NOT obey orders to impose martial law or a “state of emergency” on a state.

    5. We will NOT obey orders to invade and subjugate any state that asserts its sovereignty.

    6. We will NOT obey any order to blockade American cities, thus turning them into giant concentration camps.

    7. We will NOT obey any order to force American citizens into any form of detention camps under any pretext.

    8. We will NOT obey orders to assist or support the use of any foreign troops on U.S. soil against the American people to “keep the peace” or to “maintain control."

    9. We will NOT obey any orders to confiscate the property of the American people, including food and other essential supplies.

    10.We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances.

    If you beleive this makes them terrorists, but the Fort Hood shooter wasnt, Ive got some ocean front property in Arizona to sell you, it will even come with a first time homeowner tax credit...

    November 18, 2009 at 10:21 am |
  13. Super McDing

    Attention active duty members of the U.S. military.

    If you become a member of this group you can be administratively punished. Commissioned officers involved in these groups can be (and will be) prosecuted.

    It’s amazing how people prey on the stupid in their time of need. Call it what you will; patriot, hero, whatever. Plain and simple these groups only do more harm than good.

    November 18, 2009 at 10:21 am |
  14. shelleyin montreal

    The way it sounds from these comments Canada better get ready to shut her borders from the massive influx of refugees that will come to us after the civil war that is obviously brewing in your country erupts.private armies and militias in michigan running around fully armed? it sounds like their trying to turn your country into afganistan or are they trying to turn back the clock to the 1800,s ,the wild wild west. It seems you have alot of angry white men out there.I thought you called people like these traitors? and could you stop being so paranoid that the UN and other countries are all out to get you ,other countries have better things to do with their time such as trying to repair the global economy ,tackle global warming, eradicate child poverty etc .

    November 18, 2009 at 10:21 am |
  15. Blutarski

    Debbie, I think your tinfoil hat is on a little too tight.

    November 18, 2009 at 10:09 am |
  16. runphas7

    These are just white people hating.

    AND, they honestly believe what they preach!

    It is so sad to see our great country divided like this, in these trouble times. What they people are promoting makes no sense what so ever.

    Just white people hating!

    November 18, 2009 at 10:09 am |
  17. S.B. Stein E.B. NJ

    I have mixed feelings about this group. They do have the right to assemble and to bear arms. They can say many things that they would like to, but the question is where is their orientation. What do they believe and what are their end goals? This group sounds like it is a group of libertarians that have decided that have become conspiracy theorists and doing something about it. This is possibly frightning.

    November 18, 2009 at 10:09 am |
  18. harley

    I would like to see these paste white dorks try to take over my area...we not only have bikers..but tons of gangs that are actually good people until these racist idiots or people like them TRY to ACT tough...they wouldnt stand a chance as even though we are all different colors here...we would stand together against these DORKS

    November 18, 2009 at 10:08 am |
  19. Melissa in CA

    The students at Kent State would shudder. Oath Keepers pledge NOT obey orders to use military or law-enforcement powers against american citizens. Such as "We will NOT obey any orders which infringe on the right of the people to free speech, to peaceably assemble, and to petition their government for a redress of grievances."

    there's nothing wrong with enlisted reaffirming their oath to uphold and protect the constitution. I find it disturbing that people somehow see that swearing to do what they promised to do (protect the constitution and the american people) upon enlisting is somehow wrong – sounds like that's the real problem here.

    November 18, 2009 at 10:05 am |
  20. Jon Q

    Mistrusting authority quite a bit, I used to be a fan of Alex Jones' sites. There has been a shift even there in the last year from pretty "balanced" paranoia to a newer, more puritannical attitude that really bothers me. Suddenly there is a lot of hyper-religious sentiment in the blogs, a lot of homophobia. I'm distrustful of the motives of our financial and corporate elites, but these angry, hateful people are no kind of refuge either. Then I see people on Fox News starting to pander to the "conspiracy" community and I really get worried. These Oath Takers remind me of the militarist groups that formed prior to the Spanish Civil War. But what can be done?

    November 18, 2009 at 10:03 am |
  21. monica

    There's nothing wrong with these Patriotic groups, in fact we should see some of their ideas as examples such as reading and studying the Constitution and seeing how truly the laws are supposed to be mapped out. The government has strayed away from the Constitution and is now implementing laws that give them MORE POWER! The health care bill, searching homes without warrants, taxing the rich, etc, is all unconstitutional. Do not follow your government leaders blindly, their are only looking after their own agenda. The public needs to empower themselves by doing their own research and being vigilant at all times.

    November 18, 2009 at 10:02 am |
  22. ak

    True patriots standing up for the constitution. Unfortunately the Army has a large number of Immigrants who will follow any orders because they don't love what America is. Plus they can ask for help from China that will be glad to oblige (for payment in land).

    November 18, 2009 at 9:54 am |
  23. Teresa, OH

    Also: This very philosophy of upholding the Constitution is why I voted for Chuck Baldwin and the Constitution Party in the last presidential election.... a wasted vote? Not to me it wasn't.

    I commend the Oath Keepers for speaking out and at least standing up for what they believe in.... this is America after all : )

    November 18, 2009 at 9:50 am |
  24. Flo Wolf

    The above post rightly states that if the government was intending to take guns away from law abiding citizens the courts would not have stopped Washington DC from completely banning and outlawing guns in that city. The Second Amendment of the Constitution still rules.

    I can only hope that enough educated and open minded citizens still exist in this country to see through the "Oath Keepers" true agenda. I also hope the media "follows the money" that is backing/financing this group.

    I only wish groups like this were smart enough to figure out that the Constitution is NOT a dead document that was ever meant to be left as is. Our Founding Fathers were brilliant enough to figure out that society would change and our Constitution was meant to change with the times via Congress and the people.

    We may not have a perfect country but we've certainly got a better country than anything else that has ever existed on this earth.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:49 am |
  25. Manny

    Well, let them say what they want to say. I agree that its important to defend the constitution. But, its not necessary to start an organization. Isn't that why we have a military? to defend the constitution? I'm interested to know whether its members have to pay a fee to join, if so, it may just be the perfect scam. What better way to make big bucks than to simply have people pay money to reaffirm something they already believe.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:47 am |
  26. Teresa, OH

    ::::sigh:::: I only wish I was in law enforcement or the military so I could join....

    re: "The Department of Homeland Security has no comment on the group. " surprise, surprise.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:45 am |
  27. Josh McKean

    I am an Oath Keeper and a former military officer. I object strongly to the statement in the article that "soldiers in the Oath Keepers will pick and choose which orders to follow, disrupting the chain of command." I was trained by the military that it was my duty to disobey orders I felt were illegal or unconstitutional. I might pay a price in a court martial, but that is a small price to pay when your honor and conscience are at stake. Following orders is never an excuse for obeying illegal orders!

    November 18, 2009 at 9:45 am |
  28. Alfie

    Its not direct intervention these groups are afraid of. Its the trend of indirect laws that affect certain rights.One example is if you are a felon, you can not own a gun. Ok most do not think that law is to strict. Now , hate speech bill has got alot of people scared their rights will be taken away over a misunderstanding. Healthcare bill , felony not to have insurance. Im not defending them , just citing a few examples of the , imo , legitamit concerns.Yes these examples are a stretch , but they are possible.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:41 am |
  29. Margarette Milos

    Again we see other radicals. People get real. Any President can be voted out of office. But to take up arms againist our own people????
    What kind of lodgic is this. So you don't like what goes on, Good get out there and work for someone who thinks like you and get that person into
    office. Other wise your another Tim McVey. Face it if the majority of Americans want a person as our President that's what we get for 4 years.
    Look what we were saddled with in George Bush. Take an pledge to do what is right for the USA not some hair brain idea that might end up getting you arrested and labeled a couk or worse a turn coat.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:40 am |
  30. RichP

    I imagine there were quite a few jewish people who said the same thing in the 30's. It can't happen here.

    Being retired military I've taken my oath and I still take it seriously along with several hundred thousand others like me.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:40 am |
  31. Stephen Leiby

    Thank God ; that patriotism is growing in this nation even if they refuse to be considered a militia. The only differance between the Oath Keepers and Militia groups is that ; the oath keepers membership requirement is that the individual has to of held a job that involved swearing an oath to uphold the US Constitution.

    To all who think were fools ; Article 6- 2nd paragraph of the US Constitution states that all Treaties that the US Government makes, shall be the supreme law of the land., The UN agenda is to disarm not only weapons of mass distruction but also small arms., Obama being a leader of the US and trying to influence the worlds nations to unite in a comon goal to reduce global pollution and deal with the worlds ecconomy ; we have three more years of Obama whats next on his agenda list ?., Don't get me wrong ; even I voted for Obama because he appears to be for the working class and truly understands how the ecconomy works, and wants to stop global pollution.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:38 am |
  32. Art Stanton

    Too bad there were no Oathkeepers when executive order 9066 was signed. Bet you forgot about that one.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:37 am |
  33. Pete Greyghost

    Dan, i agree that some people are going a bit overboard with their claims, but have you tried to purchase any ammo lately? I have and it is difficult to find. Even reloading supplies are scarce. The government claims it is because people are hoarding all of this stuff, but the retailers tells me that they just do not receive their orders like they did a couple of years ago. They order 6 cases of ammo and get two. Primers and powder for reloading follows the same story. Manufacturers claim they are making the stuff as fast as they can, but it does not get to the public. Care to tell me where it is going???

    November 18, 2009 at 9:36 am |
  34. sharon

    ..............a group of law officers and military.................guns........oaths..................an oath "not" to obey the Commander and Chief?.............................................................................................................................................so they will do anything???????????????????????............so they want to be labeled along with the Frt. Hood gunman?//////He took the "law" in his own hands.............look what that caused his "fellow" soldiers.

    I think they are on someones' eye watch now.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:32 am |
  35. Sid

    Jim Re: gun restrictions. They can't and won't just come out up front with gun restrictions and ownership. Target shooters and sportsmen that reload their ammo, mostly for cost savings, have long used the once fired brass from the military . This brass is typically bought by gun supply outlets and resold to shooters. The D.o.D. now is no longer making this brass available , instead they are picking up the expense and effort to shred this brass and sell it as scrap to the Chinese , at a lower price than they were getting from American sportsmen. Thus raising the cost to U.S. sportsmen . This is a not so subtle 1st step to making it harder for U.S. shooters.
    There are also rumors of the govt. wanting to include in tax forms the declaration of your firearms for taxing. And would not this make a good list for them to upgrade the paperwork on who has what. Where to go to pick up your gun if you do not declare it and pay taxes on it. You would be a criminal if you did not tell them what you have. A lot like making criminals out of those that may not buy health insurance.
    I also have heard that the administration has hidden in some of these multi-page bills they are pushing , wishes to fund a massive govt. police force. Since the Constitution prevents the use of the military against U.S. citizens , they may need something to control large gathering of groups unfriendly to their agenda. You know, the nazi's that Polosi refers to. I did just see on cable news a new law enforcement vehicle that is equipted to handle crowds using ultra loud noise , would almost make your ears bleed they said. It's better than using rubber bullets and tear gas the L.E. rep said. So , what do they have in mind that is going to raise this type of demonstrations against the govt. Maybe not as many as they state are willing to do this redistribution of wealth , now that people are coming to see exactly what it is that the govt. has in mind. A trillion here another there, mostly seems to be increasing the size of govt. and assuming the debts of the unions and the massive packages they have to support for their members.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:31 am |
  36. Michelle

    These sound like people who tripped over their own shoelaces, swore they tripped over a molehill, and then made a mountain out of it.

    They're worried about the usurping of civil liberties from THIS President? What about the Patriot Act imposed by the last sitting President? Oh wait, I forgot – as long as a Republican is doing it, it must be akin to the word of God.

    I'm a Veteran – served from 2000 to 2007. I usually register Independent for voting, and lean just slightly to the left. It's right-wing nutbag extremists like these folks who believe and propagate EVERY unfounded rumor in order to push a ridiculous agenda that push me further and further to the left.

    Listen, you loons: Obama isn't taking your guns. He isn't setting up detention camps (where the HELL did you get that psychotic delusion???). In fact, most of his actions as President have been fairly reserved. He's struggling with two wars that he didn't start, and an economic crisis that he didn't create. If the man suggests that perhaps we put some controls and checkpoints in place for people who want to buy assault rifles (you know, like the one used to kill and injure so many of our brothers and sisters in uniform at Fort Hood), instead of letting every nutbag stroll in off the street and arm himself to the teeth without any restraint, then I don't see a problem with that!

    Guns don't kill people... but people armed with assault rifles are more likely to kill people.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:29 am |
  37. Robert

    tell those extremists group that the black american are watch them TO and we will support Government and president

    November 18, 2009 at 9:28 am |
  38. Debbie

    These people are not fools. They are victims. Victims of the government and law enforcement's unwillingness to do any thing about the use of RF and Microwave weapons which someone is using to incite just these kinds of fears.
    It is past time that those in authority show people they can trust them to protect them.
    There is no need for secrecy about these weapons- they are in use and the American people KNOW they are in use, so law enforcement makes it look like they are involved with this cover-up.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:28 am |
  39. JonPeter, Hartford, CT

    This is a smokescreen. What they won't tell anyone is they are taking an oath to their interpretation of the constitution, even if that interpretation is a discredited belief that conflicts with the majority of history and tradition.

    This thinking is based in ignorance. Another example is the 'birthers' movement who believe Obama's presidency is illegitimate, based on their incorrect interpretation of a natural born citizenship, rather than the legal definition, determined prior to Obama's presdency.

    There are always going to be those who cling to their notions and false beliefs. the best thing to do is just discredit them with logical thinking.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:27 am |
  40. phil

    for a bunch of guys from the military you think they would note that they swore an oath to the Constitution in the first place and not to the President in the first place. i guess they also missed the part about not getting involved in politics.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:27 am |
  41. Heather

    Not that I agree with this particular group, but maybe the rise of so many different groups is a good thing for this country. We do need a radical shift in the way the country is run and maybe people will realize that and actually vote for change in the next elections. What is scary about these groups in general is that they really are extremist in their views and their views are also not good for the majority of the people.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:26 am |
  42. Joel

    Jim, it is amazing the lies that you spread.
    You reported from the blog, "Orville carries a semi-automatic to the curb while getting mail from the mailbox". I searched the blog and only found one Orville and he said, "I carry a licensed concealed handgun (always) in defense of myself and my fellow citizens."

    Also I wish you reporters would quit with the SCARE tactics when talking about firearms. When in doubt just call it a firearm or call it a pistol, revolver, shotgun or rifle. Semi-automatic firearms are NOT bad firearms, it simply means one shot per trigger pull. I wish Kiran Chetry and John Roberts would get a NRA taught handgun safety course.

    Kiran if I wish to carry my PISTOL on me to the mailbox, it does not deserve an eye roll from you and its my right given to me by the Second Amendment of the United States. The same document that gives us the Freedom of Speech.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:25 am |
  43. Bob Erpelding

    I am a member of Oathkeepers and resent distortions made to us as being "fools' and "extremists". The leftists in Washington are taking away our Constitution little by little daily and the media and liberals stand by wondering what's happening and denigrating those that oppose their distortions. The Southern Poverty Law Center is a horrible anti freedom organization whose opinions should never be treated as mainstream.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:21 am |
  44. Douglas Fielder

    It's "We the People" not "We the Government"! The Government is here to serve the people only, not dictate! We should never have to give up our unalienable rights for any reason, for any President, or at any time. They are God given rights, equal for all men! Praise Jesus! God Bless our Nation!

    November 18, 2009 at 9:19 am |
  45. Lilly

    Oath Keepers are on the right track worrying about Marshall law. The State of Mass just passed sweeping changes to the State's Marshall law powers, including search and seizure without warrant, entering your home without warrant, removing a person from his home by force and detaining or isolating a person without due process or access to courts. The law gives the State's Boards of Health the power to force innoculations on its citizens, even if the citizen objects and imposes stiff pines and imprisonment for failing to obtain an innoculation when ordered to do so. While the bill is "for the common good" on its surface, its provisions are insidious and give State officials unchecked ability to take away basic rights. Look it up! (Post script: When they are white haired and on walkers, the commentators at CNN will still be saying "Its Bush's fault". It was funny at first. Now it makes CNN look pretty stupid.)

    November 18, 2009 at 9:15 am |
  46. Craig B

    The "keepers" are small in numbers....and MUCH smaller in mind and intelligence. The nation does not need negative militias that are interested in a milatary coup of the governemnt if they are not satisfied with everything....that is what elections are for. These people are immature and supposedly macho. But most of all....are very misinformed by a "leader" that is like a strange man with candy. Anyone that follows a person like that is weak, and ready to listen to any whacko. They are hurting thjis country, and are quite non-patriotic.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:13 am |
  47. PaulC

    Anyone who says this is not about race is deluding themselves.
    No one in the Obama administration has even suggested taking these moron's guns away or setting up detention camps but that has not deterred these "patriots". No one has noticed that these groups are 99.9% white but "it is not racist" Give me a break.
    I am positively amazed at the visceral hatred these groups have for Obama and the half truths and blatant lies that they spew. Unfortunately they are repeated by the news channels in an obvious attempt to churn up emotions. If CNN and Fox didn't pander to these groups they would go away but so would the ratings.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:13 am |
  48. John in NC

    I think many concerned americans feel our representatives are acting in thier own intrest instead of ours, they see the government becoming too big, too intrusive, very secretive (we have 16 intellagence agencies, why?) and they have forgottten their oath to support the constitution, as evident by the lack of accountability. Is it and wonder that groups such as these would come to be. Absolutely not.

    I don't see anything wrong with these groups. They are not radical, in many ways I see them as quite rational given the times we live in.

    Think about this, our government has HIRED the largest force of merc's the world has ever seen and Both the Dem's and Rep's have ok'd this action, and you call these oath keepers radial? Hell, since when is ok to torture people? Any accountability? Nope.

    And yes Eric Holder has said that he wants to reenstate the assualt weapons ban in his testimony to congress. That is why people are concerned about this issue.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:10 am |
  49. chris

    Rex 84, Katrina and the video of the old woman tackled by a military white guy trying to take her pistol. You don't need to bring in Alex Jones into the conversation, there is raw footage of it. Be a Libertarian and forget Republicans and Democrats. Put a fork in them they are done.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:10 am |
  50. Jim

    Before Mr. Acosta and the previous poster accuse the OathKeepers of simply being paranoid or fools, perhaps they should research a) what happened in New Orleans regarding gun confiscation during Katerina and b) Obama and Hillary's recent announcements that the US will join the UN's gun control treaty negotiations (http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=116041).

    If the OathKeepers are paranoid, so also are the legislators of Kansas and other states that passed "non-confiscation" laws after Katrina.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:10 am |
  51. Douglas Fielder

    Long Live the Bill of Rights! Everyone should learn from the example by the Oathkeepers. Our Forefathers would be proud!

    November 18, 2009 at 9:10 am |
  52. Pat Myles

    The "patriots" are the weakest part of American society. They are like bratty kids that do not want to listen to anythng the teacher says. Our Constitution does not tell us to delete what we do not like. Rather , it encourages us to be patriotic. These groups are the furtherest thing from patriotic, and mirror the mid-East Taliban totalitarian viewpoint. They are a harm to this free society, and are led by loud but immature voices that recruit the weak, again...similar to the extremists.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:07 am |
  53. Maj

    On the Patriots or extremists, I think that it's extremists and just another form of KKK. These people hate people of color or any other nationality. Using the Constitution to jsutify their hatered.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:06 am |
  54. walt Beatty

    Extremists ? I don't know but if Obama was not in office . I think I
    would have join a group . I feel are country has lost the Constitution ?
    just look at are laws that are being made ! we are trying to do so much
    to free othere country's . we can't even free are self 's . I skrach my
    head and wonder sometime 's , " Am I in anouther country " ? ?

    November 18, 2009 at 9:05 am |
  55. Randy Hunter

    It appears Mark Potok has an anti constitution, pro government control agenda. People like him and others that call Oath Keepers fools and extremists are the fools and the socialists that believe the "Patriot Act" is a good thing that "protects us" The Feds are systematically making the constitution a thing of the past. Any elected official that raises their hand and takes the oath to defend and uphold the constitution and then fails to do just that is the real extremist. That is treason and unfortunately it's become the norm in Washington. Thank's to the lack of free press from the mainstream media. How do you guys and gals sleep at night? Or do you actually believe the scripts you read? Obama would make a pretty good news anchor too. He reads his script very well. Stiil waighting for transparency? Don't hear that word much.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:04 am |
  56. fwj

    The oathkeepers, are no more than a glorified extremist and possible domestic terrorist group or modern day klansmen. I hope the FBI has them on watch 24/7. No one is threatening to take their guns away but someone should be. President Obama is being blamed for most of what was created by and left in chaos and debt by the Bush/Cheney administration. Cheney tries to place the blame on Obama with all the offhand lies and Bush keeps quiet allowing the lies to continue. These people are misinformed and have questionable intelligence. Racism may be the underlying cause. Because the constitution is not being violated by the President. These groups are highly dangerous to this country and to our President.

    November 18, 2009 at 9:03 am |
  57. Mara Eagles

    Didn't see these groups like we see now. Why didn't they show then self when Bush was in the White House ? Could it be we have a black president. These groups are dangerous ,sure hope the real protecter are watching these groups

    November 18, 2009 at 9:01 am |
  58. starr elliott

    OK. what is it about patriotism that scares people , im proud to be an american . im proud that this country is my home.with all its good and bad! if not for people who felt the same we would still be colonies of brits. or of germany, or of japan, or any other country whos people thought thay were right..
    we would not be the Great country we are if not for Patriots.
    People who stood up to fight, kill and die for the beliefs that made this place GREAT....
    DONT LIKE IT ? LEAVE....

    November 18, 2009 at 8:58 am |
  59. Robert

    Only in America, a group of people who call themselves Patriots but openly declare their profound focus on not obeying the President of the United States of America. Remember they have automatic weapons and plenty of hate to go along with those weapons.
    It just amazes me their members list includes active U.S. service men and women who must obey their commander and chief which is the President of the United States of America, at the least these armed forces members should be court martial and dishonorably discharged from the branch which they took a sworn oath to defend this country under the direction of the President of the United States of America.
    Over in Middle East America calls these type of individuals TERRIOST
    Only in the good old AMERICA

    November 18, 2009 at 8:58 am |
  60. ornative08@yahoo.com

    I don't understand why people are doing all the crazy things you see and hear about these days. It's very disturbing. Extreme behavior is NEVER a good thing. Whenever the police or military act OUTSIDE their job in an environment that is NOT military or within the boundaries of the police force, that should scare us all to death. A policeman ONLY has the authority to act within the boundaries of his job. The military ONLY has the authority to act within the boundaries given to them by their COMMANDER IN CHIEF aka THE PRESIDENT!!
    So for this group to say that they don't 'obey' our President should be enough to wake us all up.

    This is still America – we have the right to live in peace. I resent these groups trying to scare Americans into believing these outrageous claims. If you don't like what is happening in our country, be a part of the answer – not part of the problem. Work within the system that was set up for us by our forefathers – contact your representatives – get involved – VOTE!! Scare tactics by these groups, politicians and others are not helping.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:56 am |
  61. tom amadeo

    Do you think the leader of this group and (his) followers are fools? I,for one, do not ! And I think those of them who have sworn allegiance to the Constitution are more likely to keep that oath as opposed to those in government (executive,legislative,and judicial)-who have sworn to defend and uphold the Constitution-and then use it a toilet tissue. This is not about guns-but about using weapons in the defence of liberty-which was what the founding fathers did.Those who are not vigilant in the defence of freedom surely will lose it !

    November 18, 2009 at 8:55 am |
  62. Joe K.

    George Washington, our first President, established that the Commander in Chief of the US military is a civilian, namely the President. If they are willingly going to refuse orders from the President of the United States they can be described in one word: traitors. Traitors both to this country and traitors to the very oath they took when they put on their uniforms. These people should not be tolerated. A country with a military that is willing to refuse Presidential orders is a country on the bring of coup, chaos, and disaster.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:55 am |
  63. Rudy Smith

    Where were these nuts when former President Bush violated the US Constitution? i.e. anyone who did not agree with his, VP Dick, or Sec. of Defense Donald's policies could be arrested without just cause with not legal representation or rights at all, monitoring US CITIZENS' personal phone conversations via wire taps without court approval, invading a country that had nothing to us? Please tell me where were they? They say it has nothing to do with race, well former Pres. George was white and did all of this, President Obama is African-American and has done none of them, but now they are afraid that he (President Obama) will violate the Constitution. It is racist clear and simple.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:54 am |
  64. Honore

    I just do not understand how guns are the solution of everything.economic problems:gun is the solution. and when somebody gets shot, oh, more guns would avoid that. I have a gun to protect myself, but it is not a big deal to kill somebody else in the name of defending oursrlves.What is wrong with this grat country of ours?
    Gun is the solution of weak mind.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:52 am |
  65. LAB

    These groups are NOT patriots. They are choosing to believe false rumors because they don't like the skin color and name of our President.

    It is THE RESPONSIBILITY of CNN to continually call these people out so the country as a whole can see how fear is being exploited by the ultra right wing.

    CNN needs to ask the "leadership" (and I use the word leadership lightly as there appears to be none on the right) of the Republican party why they aren't denouncing this and calling for an end to the perpetuation of lies and misinformation. John Bohener should be grilled by CNN on why he is keeping his mouth shut and allowing this to take place.

    FOX "News", Rush Limbaugh, Sarah Palin and other neo-cons are perpetuating and providing a platform for this violent rhetoric. They are, in my opinion, trolling for an assasin.

    I would like to see CNN come down hard on Republicans for condoning this rhetoric just so they can try to re-gain power in 2010. If harm comes to our President, they will be responsible along with FOX, Limbaugh, Palin, and many other right wingers.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:51 am |
  66. Jared Kite

    When questioned if he thinks that there are potential laws that will "disarm the American people," or "to force citizens into detention camps", Mr. Rhodes asked if we needed to wait around for one of these laws to come into play before citizens take action. Mr. Rhodes' position is one of prevention, but this is a very dangerous road to take, and one verging on paranoia. You could take any American liberty, such as freedom of speech, assembly, or religion, and apply Mr. Rhodes' "logic" to it. Does he honestly believe that these other liberties are threatened? If so, why doesn't he take action in these regards as well?

    I think that by trying to recruit people, especially from inside the military, is very dangerous also. These young men and women are very impressionable, and Mr. Rhodes has a talent for twisting words and ideas to fit his agenda. People in the military should support the President because he is their ultimate boss as the Commander in Chief. They should realize though, that he does not make decisions inside a political or diplomatic vacuum. He has military and civilian advisors who assist him in his decision-making processes. All citizens, including military and civilian should realize this so that they do not make irrational decisions such as Mr. Rhodes has.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:51 am |
  67. george

    Kiran I have watched amfix for a long time now and for the first time I am highly offended by your comment of why does someone need to carry a gun to go and get their mail. Apparently you have not lived in some rural areas of the U.S.. Southern Kentucky, where I live has been devastated by the economic downturn. We are overrun by illeagal immingrants who along with making up a high percentage of the workforce, also conduct a high percentage of the local crime. I feel as though I live in a small town in old Mexico instead of the heartland in the U.S. anymore. Also, a large percentage of the younger generation will not work, they find ways to draw checks from the government, or they become criminals alongside the illeagal immigrants. And lets not forget the enormous drug problem. I carry a gun everyday, as does my wife. My children are trained to use guns for their defense here as home. Please Kiran, I have a lot of respect for you and your ability as an anchor, so please use some empathy in your comments

    November 18, 2009 at 8:51 am |
  68. Galin Drury

    I believe most of the "Oath Keepers" are misguided, dangerous and delusional extremists. Having said this, I can see a scenario whereby because of natural disasters, nuclear war, and economic collapse we could find ourselves under martial law because of rioting, lack of food and clean water, and no power, fuel or mobility. I personally am stocking up on food and plan to buy a gun, and I am as liberal as they come.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:50 am |
  69. Tom Pasco

    I don't understand how someone can swear an oath to the Constitution but not the president. Doesn't the Office of President exist because of the Constitution? If you don't believe that the President, in conjunction with Congress and the Supreme Court has the authority to guide the country, then you basically are saying the Constitution is wrong

    November 18, 2009 at 8:50 am |
  70. So Tired

    The direction that my fellow citizens are moving in scares me. We have so much freedom here, to carry weapons, to vote, to marry/divorce who we wish.... I believe there is a point where a citizen's freedoms end and the protection of the greater society begins. For instance, a man's freedom to have sex with who he chooses ends with my right to be protected from being raped by him. A person's right to carry weapons ends with my right to be protected from being shot and robbed by him.

    There are anti-government voices out there who rant against government interference with respect to their rights. They hate the idea of "socialist healthcare". However, they expect the police and firefighters to come to their rescue, the FDIC to insure their money, and the library to provide their kids with literature. Hmm, government run programs...but those are not "socialist". Interesting. Your rights vs the government's intervention....such a slippery slope. Just don't the fight for your rights create an even more dangerous, hostile, self-governing society than we have now. There must be limits in order for a society to survive.

    You don't want anarchy if the man next to you is as free as you are....but his desire is to hurt you rather than help you. Freedom.....has to have limits. Sounds contradictory, but you cannot live in a society with TOTAL freedom. You need protection, you need limits, you need order. Even the anti-government organizations are...organized, with leaders and followers. So freakin' interesting.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:50 am |
  71. Aaron H

    Yes Obama "inherited" a lot of the problems that irk constitutionalists but has he done anything to reverse course? Kill the Patriot Act. Kill the Military Commissions Act. Kill the FISA bill! Most libertarians realize the threat of marshall law is not imminent; things move slowly; however they are moving in a direction away from the U.S. Constitution! If a candidate like Obama becomes President and does not address our concerns then it's not a question of if Government takes our freedom it's just a matter of time. My guess measured in decades.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:49 am |
  72. Laura Erpelding

    Why don't you do an expose on the southern poverty law center? You just might find out who are the extremists. If your are going to quote them all the time, lets see what they promote.
    Why is it you can throw the extremist word around for patriots, but can't use the word for a man who killed 14 (preborn baby included) people at Fort Hood. A double minded man is unstable in all his ways. You people are definately double minded.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:49 am |
  73. Mike

    They are patriots. Go read "The End of America" by Naomi wolfe or "A Nation of Sheep" by Judge Andrew Napolitano for a summary of the Constitutional issues that these people are worried about. Notice that they were written while Bush was in office. This is NOT about Obama.

    It's not that Obama is threatening to do something terrible – and you totally missed the issue in your report – it's that the laws of the US have changed slowly over the years and they now allow the President unchecked control like never before. These people recognized the potential threat that came with that during the Bush years and recognize that just because our President changed it doesn't mean the laws have changed.

    Perhaps the people who claim that these people are fools need to read some history books and then they might understand that often before terrible things happen the laws are changed to make those terrible things _legal_. They might also spend some time understanding how drastically the laws in the US changed during the Bush years (and how little Obama has done to fix the problem).

    November 18, 2009 at 8:49 am |
  74. Dwight

    These people are far from patriotic! They are irrational with extremist views. The family featured with 22 guns in the house, teaching their kids to live this way is appauling. I think something should be done. CNN is giving these unstable people a forum to spread their rhetoric. It is inevitable that some nut is going to feel compelled to act. So please don't go out asking," were there warning signs" after the fact.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:48 am |
  75. Sherrie G.Walker

    They are extremist and frighten me as much as any group out there.
    Skulking through the woods pretending to be military, armed to the teeth but without the dicipline and inteliigence of a first grader ,they are welcome in my neighborhood.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:47 am |
  76. Les Howard

    Well, folks, I can only say I recall and relate a quote by Samuel Johnson that says something like.....the last refuge of a scoundral is patriotism!!

    November 18, 2009 at 8:46 am |
  77. JO

    YOU DO KNOW OBAMA STATED HE NEEDS AN ARMY WITHIN THE STATES TO BE AS STRONG AS OUR MILITARY???

    HE REPEATED THAT STATEMENT OVER AND OVER LOOK IT UP ON YOU TUBE...

    ASK YOUR SELF ???
    why does he need an in house military to equal in power our u.s. military???

    SHAME ON YOU THAT YOU LEFT OUT OBAMA'S OWN WORDS!!!
    HOW CNN WE TRUST ANY OF YOU REPORTING THE REAL NEWS...
    THAT IS WHY YOUR RATINGS ARE IN THE TOILET!!!

    JO

    November 18, 2009 at 8:46 am |
  78. Ryan Magnan

    How dare these militant crazies pledge an oath to the U.S. constitution instead of the glorious leader Barack Obama!! What un-American traitors! The constitution is clearly an old and dusty document that no longer applies to the world we live in. The government has every right to take away people's guns and prevent them from assembling in public or voting. In fact, the government has the right to kill you for no reason other than your religion or beliefs. There is no constitution, just men with power who will do what they will.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:45 am |
  79. Chris

    These militia Oath Keeper are simply the new KKK in a watered down, supposedly repectable version.

    If you believe that their root cause is defend America from government you're naive.

    If you believe that they're not racist, bigots, and biased against a Black President and perhaps the Democratic party, then you have not read American History, and you don't have to go that far back either.

    I'm a retired war vet, a retired federal LEO, a hunter, competition shooter and firearms enthusiast.

    What those folks are include being seditious and agent provocateurs, treasonous in fact. To call them patriots is to liken them to Confederates.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:45 am |
  80. david

    YES, EVERYTHING WAS INHERITED FROM THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION, WHICH INHERITED EVERYTHING FROM THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTRATION, ETC. BUT, TRYING THESE TERRORISTS IN FEDERAL COURT TODAY IS THIS ADMINISTRATIONS CHOICE AND I BELIEVE IT’S THEIR WAY TO PLACE THE PREVIOUS ADMINISTATION ON TRIAL WITH THE TERRORISTS. IF OBAMA CAN DELIVER, MORE POWER TO HIM. BUT SO FAR HE HASN’T DELIVERED ANY POSITIVE RESULTS BEYOND FABULOUS FAMILY PICTURES IN THE WHITE HOUSE.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:44 am |
  81. mat

    This guy really puts a negative connotation on the Oath Keepers. The Oath Keepers are there to help us when it comes time. They take an oath to defend the constitution. If this group truly is military and police, then they have already taken an oath to defend the constitution. I think it's great that they are reaffirming their beliefs.

    Its people like Alex Jones that open the eyes of the public to do their own research. Do your own research on everything you hear, don’t be fooled by the media. It's not hard to see what's really going on if you open your eyes.

    The experts agree gun control works! Hitler, Castro, Stalin, the list goes on.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:43 am |
  82. Danny G

    Acosta said Obama inherited Bush's issues. Duh. Bush inherited Clinton's issues, including having to deal with al Queda and Osama bin Laden. CNN is playing the blame game, letting Obama off the hook because 'it's not his fault.' Well, Obama is president now. Consider Americans may just be mad about HOW Obama is handling the issues he inherited. Stop playing the blame game and hold Obama and his administration accountable for their handling of issues.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:42 am |
  83. tom in wareham

    I believe that just as I have the right to my opinion in this country so do these people, even though I may see them as a fringe group. We can not stifle voice in this country no matter how repellent we feel that voice is. My personal opinion is that they are reacting to false ghosts of what could be not what is. I think that their refusal to follow the president is a dangerous tact to take, however the KKK has been going against the grain since it's inception and I view this group as nothing more than a civilian KKK, fear based organization, fear and hatred are strange motivators.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:42 am |
  84. Raul from Texas

    These militia idiots are just that-idiots. They have no idea about being a military professional. They are racist people who will kill without reason. We better get ready for another massacre, they mean business and all we do is laugh at them.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:42 am |
  85. Gloria Steinberg

    When will CNN do a report that isn't biased? The Oathers were not formed under GW Bush, but Barack Obama. The "inherited" excuse is just about warn out. For a year, Obama has been leading this country away from the Constitution and towards socialism. That's why this group was formed. Your reporters need to get an edication in how to report the news, and not how to spin it.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:40 am |
  86. ornative08@yahoo.com

    I don't understand why people are doing all the crazy things you see and hear about these days. Extreme behavior is NEVER a good thing. Whenever police or the military act OUTSIDE

    November 18, 2009 at 8:39 am |
  87. Steve Day

    If you really want to understand why the Oath Takers feel their type of orginization is necessary read up on Eric Holder and Ruby Ridge.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:39 am |
  88. Gwenda

    This is not something new, everthing that the president do there are people that will oppose him, but all of this was given to him from the last president. Why can't people see that and see that he is doing all he can to work on behalf of all of us.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:38 am |
  89. Peter

    Extremism in the defense of paranoia is a vice.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:37 am |
  90. Kevin

    Well, my issue is the argument whether these men are patriots or extremists... While they have the ideologies of a patriot, they are taking it to quite an extreme level... Why now? What's going on in this country where they believe something terrible is going to happen? Unless they simply dislike our current President, as I presume is the case...

    Also, militias are outdated – like i said – I'm not sure why these militias have began to form lately, but if something truly terrible were to happen to our country, having handheld weapons and guns will not be very helpful – at such an advanced era of technology and weaponry, they could all be wiped out with the setting of coordinates and the push of a button.

    I just think this whole situation – including the forming of the militias AND the media's spin on them is just over the top and unnecessary.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:37 am |
  91. N.M.

    Patriots OR extremists?

    Why must the two be considered mutually exclusive?

    If defense of the singly most-important legal document of our existence is extremism, then all Patriots shall be known as extremists.

    Long live liberty, and long live the Bill of Rights – every single one of them.

    "... shall not be infringed."

    November 18, 2009 at 8:36 am |
  92. Mitch Dworkin - Dallas, Texas

    Jim:

    This is an excellent and a very informative series that you are doing.

    The "Oath Keepers" and your series on the militia movements reminds me of Harry Boyle's next door neighbor "Ralph" who was the leader of his own group of vigilantes in the early 1970's cartoon Wait Till Your Father Gets Home.

    To Ralph, everything that he saw from rain, pets, and power tools were all a part of a Communist plot to take over the country. He was also a racist and a bigot who wanted to put all foreigners in concentration camps in New York City. I never thought that I would ever live to see so many people as crazy as this in real life!

    Mitch Dworkin
    Dallas, Texas

    November 18, 2009 at 8:36 am |
  93. Robert

    The more i listen to this story the more i see a very dangerous group adding people to their list. Mr Rhodes is peranoid dilusional and he's got a following. Let us all make note and not only not listen but do something about the growth of such a group. I have'nt seen one person in this group that's anything but anglo white. I'm white and it just screams wrong and dangerous.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:34 am |
  94. Russell Mollot

    "Oath Keepers" educates our soldiers about our Constitution and Bill of Rights. The Commander-in-Chief derives his authority only from the Constitution. His authority, therefore, is subordinate to that document. An educated soldier will not obey a "rogue president" (think Hugo Chavez, Kim Jong Il, Ahmedinijad, Mugabe, Hitler) who tries to overrule the rights of The People.

    Not only are militias permitted by the Constitution - the Second Amendment states that militias are "necessary to the security of a free State." If Americans would actually READ the Constitution, they would not label as "extremists" those who defend us against oppressive Government coming from Washington, D.C.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:30 am |
  95. Jim

    The comment above by one blind Dan proves he is just another sheep who will follow this growing fascist movement to total enslavement. Too bad for him and for the rest of us who took the red pill. We can only hope he and enough others will take the red pill in time.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:26 am |
  96. Average Man

    I have sworn an oath to the constitution and will NEVER follow an order that is unethical/illegal....remember the Nazis? Nuremberg trials? "I was only following orders"? Japanese American Prison camps? Hurricane Katrina Superdome Imprisonment?
    Hooray for the Oathkeepers.org!!!!

    November 18, 2009 at 8:20 am |
  97. Debra Letton

    This group scares me more than the extremists who "think" they are following God's will in blowing up abortion clinics. I think this is where this group fits on the scale of extremism. I disagree that this is about race. This kind of thinking was not going on when Bush or any other "white" president has been in office. This group equates to the lynching mobs that were around in the slavery days. I believe their agenda is hidden. I don't want someone protecting my rights that are "planning" for a government takeover just because they feel their right to hold a gun is in jeopardy. This group is just looking for a reason to hate.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:15 am |
  98. Robert

    I don't think that our foundiing fathers ever thought that there would be billions of guns on this planet when they wrote the constitution. I'd support gun ownership if there were only as many guns and gun makers in the US as there were then and not now. There were only a handful of makers back then. These men had no idea that 10 year old kids on the streets can walk up and get a gun with 25 buck. Personally i think everyone who owns a gun should have a psychological test in order to own one. There are some crazy people out there with a whole hell of alot of guns...this is a very dangerous thing. As far a militia...there have always been parnoid people out there.

    November 18, 2009 at 8:11 am |
  99. Gus Valtasaros

    I am glad that The american people are forming groups to protect themselves from the govenment and the criminals they should go around attacking street gangs and crime syndicates since the govenment is to lazy to do it

    November 18, 2009 at 8:07 am |
  100. Dan Carrone

    The leader of this group and followers are fools. No one is taking their guns. Maybe if they read a newspaper instead of listening to people like Alex Jones, you know what I am about to say. The Supreme Court this year stated, right to own a gun is an individual right. Made Wash DC lift its ban on guns in the city. Now why would they do that if they were taking your guns?

    It is people in media like Alex Jones that is the cause of such vicious rumors. people like him should be held accountable for spreading fear and lies to get a dollar. Now cause of people like him, he have uneducated & uninformed people making claims that have no basis. Pretty sad that so many live on misinformation and refuse to accept truth right in front of their faces.

    November 18, 2009 at 7:56 am |
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