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July 29th, 2010
08:00 AM ET
Legal & illegal immigrants leaving Arizona out of fear
(CNN) – At the 11th hour yesterday, after all the anger and arguments, a federal judge blocked the most controversial parts of Arizona's new immigration law. The case now heads for higher courts, but still, some of the estimated 500,000 undocumented immigrants who went to Arizona are leaving the state out of fear. Our Thelma Gutierrez introduces us to some of them. Watch 
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People who keep insisting we are a nation of laws are missing a central key point in the immigration debate.When the Italians,Irish etc came here what did they have to do to be legal.Answer- they just had to proove that they could support themselves either a job or a relative who could vouch for them Thats it.That was the legalization process.If that was the criteria today all the so-called illegal immegrants could immediately become legal.Think for a minute.Your pass mark for your school test was 60 out of a hundred.You passed your test.My pass mark is 125 out of 100.I failed my test.You called yourself a success.You call me a failure.The rules to be a legal immigrant have been made so difficult,100 times more difficult than they were a hundred years ago.So we take pride that we are legal because our parents got in when the rules were easier.We look down on newcomers,call them illegal because the rules are now 100 times more difficult.Thats not American.Thats not whats written on the statue of liberty.
Correct: we don't give the max punishment for every crime. Those that are criminals should be made to leave. In time of trouble we should show character not just hate.
We don't commit people to jail for "J" walking. So what should the punishment be for an immigrant that is filling a job that isn't filled, I think a fine is enough?
Isn't AZ losing federal dollars for schools with the immigrants leaving.
The above statement is incorrect. The Italians and Irish and most of the immigrants from European countries or other countries that populated our country in the 1800's and early 1900's were legal. They registered when they entered the United States and didn't have to sneak in over a border. Never were they considered illegal aliens.
I am not opposed to people from Mexico coming to the United States to legally work or legally immigrate for a better life for themselves and their families. That is what America is about. I don't think most American's are opposed to this.
But the 200 pound gorilla that people don't see in this issue is the word "illegal." Why should I be working and paying tax money to support something that is illegal? I would like the portion of my tax dollars that are marked for human services going to help the legal folks get a start and a better life in this country and to help American citizens in need. Kudos to Arizona for trying to put a stop to the "illegal" part of this issue. Unfortunately those leaving Arizona are just going to neighboring states and not back to Mexico.
So, the judge strikes out docs will not be asked to show legal status in the U.S.A. and illegals can apply and be hired by any company. Since it was a Federal judge making the decission, is ity correct to say that these are applicable in any State. Also, was the judge offered to be considererd for nomination to the Supreme Court? Arizona should go all the way to the Supreme Court, maybe we will find a branch of the Federal Govt. doing their job.
if they want a new life in the USA why haven't any of these "upstanding" people taken the time to learn to speak English?? as far as working and not "draining " revenue from our system, those children did not attend school ?? i'd bet they did, and is that not a drain on our limited resources?? kids these days have to bring their own pens paper and other school supplies to class, yet taxpayers are expected to pay for teachers to teach the illegals English... an expenditure that solely benefits the illegals and not the kids of the parents that pay the school taxes.... now that's fair ain't it??
Every last one of us were immigrants or we would not have phrases like German Americans or Italian Americans.
I was born and raised in Central Texas and taught in the Texas public schools. I have experienced only a handful of problems with them...no more than any other racial populations . They on a whole are hard working, family oriented, religious, moral people. They frequently do jobs no one else will take.
I now live in Western North Carolina in a very rural area. Again, the majority of the jobs Hispanics take include landscaping, planting and cutting cabbage, picking tomatoes, and housecleaning. They again are mostly model citizens. Those who are involved in drugs and gangs are a clear minority and occur in no greater numbers than their Anglo counterparts.
There are hundreds of "whites" around here who will sit around smoking cigarettes, drinking cheap beer, fussing about the "haves", driving big tires trucks, covered with tattoos as they make and/or consume Meth .... They are not working in the fields...it's too hard and too hot. Plus, someone can tell them what they can and cannot do.
The rabble rousing , hyper-vocal, uber- conservative, gun toting, fundamentalist, extreme right-wing nuts are making a hurricane out of a light sprinkle. Why don't we quit paying attention to them and send them back where they came from... Ireland, England, France... you know, "The Old Country" .
It is quite obvious the FEDS dropped the ball and just do not have the resources or do not want to allocate the resources and they do have the capability to install systems to check citizenship that would be seamless and transparent.
Not sure how the Feds would be able to say what ever they do is not racial profiling because a Russian that is arrested by the FEDS and has a heavy Russian accent and is checked is the same thing that any local cop would do. Especially if that person said Don't speak English. How could that person have passed the requirement to speak English in USA?
FEDS need to figure out out to use technology and make it mandatory for every police agency to use. The Feds need to figure out how to be more efficient. Judge Bolton I think would agree.
This problem has grown so large I hope it is not malignant due to neglect and lack of therapy to heal this problem.
I have the solution to the illegal alien problem. Charge each person that wants to be a citizen $10,000 to get citizenship. Anyone found here illegally 6 months after this goes into effect will be deported and never considered for citizenship under any circumstances. This is America after all. We are a Capitalist society based on the flow of money. .This way they get the chance to be here legally that they say they want, we get to pay down the national debt, and people won't be sending so much of our capital to their home countries. Everybody wins.
In the "olden" days you could call a doctor after office hours and talk to him/her. Now, you call after office hours and the office taped phone message tells you to wait till tomorrow or else go to the ER. Let's not blame the over crowded ER on the illegal immigrents. Look at the demigraphics of the area, what nationalities would you expect to see? Many hospitals have created "urgent care" facilities open 24 hrs, but the policies on what illnesses can be seen and what must go to the ER don't eleviate crowded ER's or Urgent Care, and you can just as easily wait 4 hours at the urgent care facility. Every nationality is represented in those crowed facilities and every nationality has lack of insurance and financial problems. It isn't just illegal mexican immigrents.
Seems like we're trying awfully hard to have another civil war. States against immigrents, making their own laws. Get the mexicans out, keep the blacks slaves - seems a similarity. It's disgusting to treat human beings like "things" instead of people. Who's next?
Most of us are from imigrants at one time or another legal and illegal
Most of the illegal's word very hard, Would Americans pick produce and live like they do and make nothing. How about all of our housekeepers and Gardners. Would you give them up too and pay 30 dollars an hr for Americans to do same work. Our economy and our country has been based on "Give Me Your Tired and your Poor" oh that only pertained to light skinned Europeans! Not too long ago Italians, Irish and others where considered illegal aliens and denied property rights and job opportunities...
With regards to Arizona's law, if any person residing in the U.S. is breaking the law of the land (the Constitution),it is the responsibility of elected officials to enforce the law and punish lawbreakers. It is their duty to protect and defend the Constitution and the people who elected them to serve in office. As far as people being treated fairly, the 14th Amendment to the Constitution guarantees it. The Constitution was built to endure. If it is to change, there is an amendment process.
So, if the federal judge struck down just a portion of the Arizona law, what still remains? I don't think I've ever witnessed a law being struck down for something that MIGHT happen. Why don't those who are afraid of racial profiling wait until they see it happen and THEN file law suits?
I'm going to take a WILD guess and say that none of the people Thelma Gutierrez "introduces us to" are drug dealers, gang bangers or clearly using government services they aren't entitled to.
Anyone want to wager a bet on this?
I'm going to take a wild guess and say none of the people Thelma Gutierrez "introduces us to" are drug dealers or gang bangers.
Anyone want to take me up on the wager? 🙂
The answer is simple.
We are a nation of laws and all laws must be enforced.
Every state needs to adopt the same law and force the Federal government to
fulfil their lawful responsibilities.
Illegals need to go back to Mexico or elsewhere.
The issue with Mexico is that they do not want their citizens back. Their
country is receiving more income with their illegals working here and sending
the money home while making no demands for goods and services. If 12 million or
more people return to Mexico-where will they work? What services will they
consume? What will be the impact on the corrupt Mexican Government?
After living the "good life" in America, do you really think the illegals will
be very happy returning to Mexico at their own expense??–